Interactive map of Victorian based members

[Spook]

Think he might have a bone to pick with the fact they just left out information on other clubs, despite clearly saying it was only Brisbane that didn't participate in the data collection.

Fyi, for those who care. No. 1 Suburb for Freo is Canning Vale and for the Eagles it's Dianella. Which more or less lends heavily to the idea it's become a North vs South of the river for majority support for WA teams.

I think Canning Vale and Dianella are the highest because they are very big suburbs in area and thus population. If it was weighted I would guess Fremantle for Freo and Doubleview for West Coast

 

[Munga]

So the Saints own the coast, but St Kilda isn't in their top 20. How does that happen?

 

[aCunningPlan]

Ballarat is generally a mix of supporters, if anything there's more support for the big victorian clubs.

Ballarat is Essendon, Geelong, daylight, Collingwood, North, then the rest in that order.

 

[Goady138]

So the Saints own the coast, but St Kilda isn't in their top 20. How does that happen?

Freedom of choice and affordabillity

 

[master bate]

So the Saints own the coast, but St Kilda isn't in their top 20. How does that happen?

St Kilda's full of tourists and more inner city types so it's a mix of people. The bulk of your fan base (and more importantly for this map the highest densities of saint supporters) comes from those who grew up going to Moorabbin and live along the stretch of Nepean Hwy and their descendants.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Can I ask where are you getting the 40% in the city centre for Collingwood figure?

The only suburbs of our top 20 that are near the city centre are numbers 16 & 18 on our list. It should be noted when I click on the map they have placed our number 1 suburb, Reservoir, seemingly next to the CBD instead of ~15km north (just south of Nos. 2 & 6 - Mill Park & Bundoora).


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Not a surprise that our membership is still strongest along the old Epping / Hurstbridge train lines that also goes through Collingwood and Vic Park stations. It's just that the families mostly can't afford the inner suburbs anymore and have moved further out in the same region.

You can get a good feel for this same data very quickly and easily by observing the trains coming into the MCG to Richmond and Jolimont stations. Collingwood fans dominate the Epping / Hurstbridge lines and have strong presences on most others, Hawthorn fans pack out Belgrave/Lilydale and Glen Waverley lines but have almost zero presence on lines from the west, Richmond are similarly strong on the eastern lines but have more widespread presence. St Kilda fans still congregate on the Sandringham and Frankston lines. Essendon dominate the western lines and have good representation all over etc.

Can someone show me the Hawthorn version of this map? Internet is slow

 

[Hawkk]

None of these are especially surprising to me. They all largely make geographic and demographic sense.

Anecdotally I always assumed that Hawthorn had more of the inner east/south east and Richmond the mid-to-outer east (in accordance with their recruitment zones)

Richmond



Hawthorn



Both have very similar maps admittedly but the Hawks spent 16 (of their best years) based in the northern suburbs of Carlton while Richmond were almost lured into becoming the anchor Waverley Park tenant in the early 1970s (in accordance with the expansion of their support base into the mid eastern suburbs in the 60s and 70s)

Interestingly Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon all have primarily inner city membership bases...these clubs also regularly top Victorian clubs for membership attendance

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Dont know if your aware. Due to the advent of the internet everything is national. Especially if its based of a national league.

I'm sure the Doggies get a lot of coverage in Sydney papers. Never any stories that focus on just the Sydney teams??

 

[telsor]

Interestingly Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon all have primarily inner city membership bases...these clubs also regularly top Victorian clubs for membership attendance

Thanks for that.

By the look of it, Richmond only has 1 'inner city' location show up (admittedly as number 1).

 

[Spook]

Course not, didn't say I had a problem with it did I?

Just flexed a little empathy on his behalf, plus added a little bit of info if anyone cared.

Mind you, the newspapers here have a hard on for the Eagles. So from my position no papers give my team a fair go.

lol agree.... We only have 1 paper in WA and its called The West Coast Australian and the sports section is edited by Gary Stocks....... Its a joke

 

[Hawkk]

Thanks for that.

By the look of it, Richmond only has 1 'inner city' location show up (admittedly as number 1).

Fair point. The interactive map appears to scale out for Richmond - hence my confusion

 

[Kwality]

AFL wont let us tap into Essendon's northern domain, the commission is largely filled with fat cat cronies that look after these clubs. Before settling on Ballarat we wanted to instead focus on Bendigo, given most of the Ballarat region was already strongly tied with Geelong, but we were not allowed to touch the territory belonging to Essendon.

People think I joke, but the biggest hurdle we have is the commission itself, they play Overlord in Victoria, they determine who gets a golden ride and who has to fight for crumbs.

Victoria should have no boundaries with each of the 10 clubs free to pursuit any market they want in their home territory.

Reds under the bed, fairies at the bottom of the garden, the AFL retain mercenaries with water pistols, cap guns & free breakfasts at Maccas to keep Kangaroos out of 'Essendons northern domain'.

 

[Kwality]

I'm sure the Doggies get a lot of coverage in Sydney papers. Never any stories that focus on just the Sydney teams??

Check out the AFL coverage in the SMH or Daily Telegraph & let me know how it differs from The Age & Herald Sun - the notion of national coverage seems to have passed you by.

 

[Pacman82]

Can I ask where are you getting the 40% in the city centre for Collingwood figure?

The only suburbs of our top 20 that are near the city centre are numbers 16 & 18 on our list. It should be noted when I click on the map they have placed our number 1 suburb, Reservoir, seemingly next to the CBD instead of ~15km north (just south of Nos. 2 & 6 - Mill Park & Bundoora).


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Not a surprise that our membership is still strongest along the old Epping / Hurstbridge train lines that also goes through Collingwood and Vic Park stations. It's just that the families mostly can't afford the inner suburbs anymore and have moved further out in the same region.

You can get a good feel for this same data very quickly and easily by observing the trains coming into the MCG to Richmond and Jolimont stations. Collingwood fans dominate the Epping / Hurstbridge lines and have strong presences on most others, Hawthorn fans pack out Belgrave/Lilydale and Glen Waverley lines but have almost zero presence on lines from the west, Richmond are similarly strong on the eastern lines but have more widespread presence. St Kilda fans still congregate on the Sandringham and Frankston lines. Essendon dominate the western lines and have good representation all over etc.

The Hurstbridge/Epping line areas were part of the old Collingwood Recruiting Zones so the locals have always been Pies supporters.

 

[Vintage]

No, it would have been better if they represented all members by a map of Australia, because it is supposed to be a national league.

Who does this f&;king newspaper think they are, writing articles that appeal to their main demographic? Surely as a commercial enterprise they should have to spend money gathering data that most of their readers don't want??? MAKES ME SO ANGRY

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

So the Saints own the coast, but St Kilda isn't in their top 20. How does that happen?

Hipsters

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Collingwood isn’t among the top 20 suburbs Magpie members call home, and paid-up Blues have ditched Carlton as their address of choice.

That would have been news in 1995.

 

[Hawkk]

Out of curiosity if Fitzroy was still in the AFL where would their traditional heartland of members come from?

Roylion perhaps?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Check out the AFL coverage in the SMH or Daily Telegraph & let me know how it differs from The Age & Herald Sun - the notion of national coverage seems to have passed you by.

Seriously?

With the Tele you may (may) get 2 pages on AFL (ie 80% Swans, 15% GWS, 5% rest) and its buried at the back of the sports section, pretty much the same as what HUN does with NRL (90% storm, rest only if its really really big)

If you want a comprehensive read on the state of play of AFL, you do not buy the Tele

 

[Kwality]

lol agree.... We only have 1 paper in WA and its called The West Coast Australian and the sports section is edited by Gary Stocks......

Seriously?

With the Tele you may (may) get 2 pages on AFL (ie 80% Swans, 15% GWS, 5% rest) and its buried at the back of the sports section, pretty much the same as what HUN does with NRL (90% storm, rest only if its really really big)

If you want a comprehensive read on the state of play of AFL, you do not buy the Tele

No argument IF you buy a paper OR you can use the net & exactly what you get in Tootgarook you get in Rooty Hill or Mandogalup - NRL out of the Tele or AFL from The Age is accessed nationally via locally named websites.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

No argument IF you buy a paper OR you can use the net & exactly what you get in Tootgarook you get in Rooty Hill or Mandogalup - NRL out of the Tele or AFL from The Age is accessed nationally via locally named websites.

most people still buy the rag though

 

[Hawkk]

You're only boxed in if you think you are and let yourself be. It's not like they actually build walls to stop you.

Richmond's 'expansion zone' goes right through Hawthorn for example.

There are definitely examples of double ups between suburbs...

For example -

Hawthorn and Richmond both share 13/20 suburbs
Croydon (#1 Haw, #4 Rich), Cranbourne (#2 Rich, #4 Haw), Glen Waverley (#3 Haw, #10 Rich), Richmond (#1 Rich, #19 Haw), Rowville (#5 Rich, #10 Haw), Ferntree Gully (#7 Haw / Rich), Narre Warren (#3 Rich, #8 Haw), Mount Waverley (#15 Haw, #16 Rich), Pakenham (#12 Rich, #18 Haw), Berwick (#6 Haw, #8 Rich), Blackburn (#5 Haw, #15 Rich), Werribee (#17 Haw, #6 Rich), Ringwood (#11 Haw, #13 Rich)

Interestingly Hawthorn is almost entirely an eastern suburbs club whereas Richmond's reach expand N/E and S/E (with less concentration in the middle eastern suburbs - where Hawthorn has a much higher concentration)

Another example of double ups is Hawthorn and Melbourne who both share 11/20 suburbs
Glen Iris (#1 Melb, #13 Haw), Hawthorn (#2 Haw, #3 Melb), Camberwell (#6 Melb, #12 Haw), Richmond (#7 Melb, #19 Haw), Kew (#9 Melb, #16 Haw), Croydon (#1 Haw, #11 Melb), Cranbourne (#4 Haw, #12 Melb), Glen Waverley (#3 Haw, #14 Melb), Surrey Hills (#14 Haw, #15 Melb), Mount Waverley (#15 Haw, #19 Melb), Berwick (#6 Haw, #20 Melb)

Much less concentration than the Hawthorn / Richmond combination but a lot of double-up in the inner eastern suburbs (i.e. Richmond, Hawthorn, Kew, Camberwell and Surrey Hills)

The only other double up that really strikes me is St Kilda and Melbourne

St Kilda and Melbourne share 9/20 suburbs
Bentleigh (#1 StK, #16 Melb), Aspendale (#2 StK, #17 Melb), Brighton (#2 Melb, #3 StK), Cranbourne (#3 StK, #11 Melb), Frankston (#5 StK, #16 Melb), Black Rock (#6 StK, #10 Melb), Glen Waverley (#14 Melb, #17 StK), Glen Iris (#1 Melb, #19 StK),
Caufield East (#5 Melb, #20 StK)

Both share the inner city bayside suburbs, Melbourne stretches north and competes with Hawthorn for the inner-eastern suburbs, St Kilda trails the bay towards Seaford and up into the growing S/E where they compete with Richmond.

St Kilda - Melbourne - Richmond all share 8/9 suburbs amongst themselves.

Not so sure on the north and west of the city but the east / south east is corned by these four teams

 

[Ned_Flanders]

as someone previously mentioned, its a nice exercise, but cannot be taken too seriously. We don't know the degree of drop off across the 20, the proportion of membership it represents, or the proportion of the towns membership (as a whole) that club represents

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Yeahh, OP, i'm going to need a map, those figures and places mean nothing to me

 

[Hoops]

How do I access the maps?