Interesting ODI Batting Analysis Chart

[Marshland]

Surprised to see the likes of Steve Waugh and Sangakkara appearing in the also rans quadrant.

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

seems a little biased towards modern players tbh

 

[Wallaby]

Game has changed so much - pre 1995 the plan was get to 1/100 after 25 overs - 220 was a competetive score.

 

[Underarm]

very interesting. when comparing the impact of Dravid VS Sehwag in terms of their worth to the team.

Tendulkar and Richards at the best.

 

[Tassieboy]

Indian batsmen's averages and SRs are drastically inflated because of small grounds, flat pitches and fast outfields. For example, Tendulkar averages 48 at home and 37 at away (i.e 34 in Australia where there are bigger grounds and slower outfields).

For the purpose of this I'll exclude neutral games - a lot of which are in Asia anyway.

Tendulkar averages 48 at home and 37 away (i.e 34 at SR of 77 in Australia where there are bigger grounds and slower outfields). He has a home SR of 88 and away SR of 81.

Dravid averages 43 at home and has a SR of 79. Away he averages 41 and strikes at 69.

Ganguly averaged 44 at home and had SR of at 77. Away he averages 37 and strikes at 72.

Laxman averaged 37 at SR 78 at home. Away he averaged 27 and and had a SR of 67 .

Sehwag breaks the trend and actually has a SR and average a couple above what he has at home. Further evidence suggests this is because he has done very well in New Zealand, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Hardly anything to get excited about. So again he SR and average drops substantially in England, Australia and SA.


There's no doubt in my mind that Gilchrist would have a Sehwag SR if he played in India, and Ponting would average similar to Tendulkar - 44/45.

 

[Tassieboy]

Mark Waugh better abroad

Gilchrist slightly better at home

Ponting better abroad

Hayden better abroad

Steve Waugh better abroad (SR difference of 10)

Allan Border better abroad (average difference of 7)

Damien Martyn averaged 5 better away but had a better SR of of 2/100 balls at home.

Bevan is probably the best performed at home average 56 compared to 52 but has a SR of 72 and 77 respectively.

Symonds averages 29 at home and 43 away. SR the same.

I think that's all our players to have scored 5k runs.

So overall SRs and averages don't tell you everything.

 

[Marshland]

seems a little biased towards modern players tbh

Not really, it has a good mix of folks from the 90s and prior as well. If that's the period you want to consider as non-"modern"? Fleming, Azharuddin, Haynes, Richards, Border, de Silva, etc.

Looking at Sehwag's dot on that quadrant is just LoL. Amazing impact player, though he isn't as successful in ODIs as he is in tests.

Also Gayle seems a couple of notches above the dashers league. Dunno what to make of that.

 

[Marshland]

Indian batsmen's averages and SRs are drastically inflated because of small grounds, flat pitches and fast outfields. For example, Tendulkar averages 48 at home and 37 at away (i.e 34 in Australia where there are bigger grounds and slower outfields).

For the purpose of this I'll exclude neutral games - a lot of which are in Asia anyway.

Tendulkar averages 48 at home and 37 away (i.e 34 at SR of 77 in Australia where there are bigger grounds and slower outfields). He has a home SR of 88 and away SR of 81.

Dravid averages 43 at home and has a SR of 79. Away he averages 41 and strikes at 69.

Ganguly averaged 44 at home and had SR of at 77. Away he averages 37 and strikes at 72.

Laxman averaged 37 at SR 78 at home. Away he averaged 27 and and had a SR of 67 .

Sehwag breaks the trend and actually has a SR and average a couple above what he has at home. Further evidence suggests this is because he has done very well in New Zealand, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Hardly anything to get excited about. So again he SR and average drops substantially in England, Australia and SA.


There's no doubt in my mind that Gilchrist would have a Sehwag SR if he played in India, and Ponting would average similar to Tendulkar - 44/45.

Interesting. How do Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni fare?

 

[Tassieboy]

Interesting. How do Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni fare?

Good of you to ask

Dhoni averages 55 at home and strikes at 91. While he averages 49 away and strikes at 85.

Yuvraj averages 45 home at a rate of 90. While averaging 37 away and striking at 86.

It's too many players to suggest that it's just a fact of playing away from home. Indian pitches IMO add about 5 to a batsman's average and SR.

 

[Marshland]

It's too many players to suggest that it's just a fact of playing away from home. Indian pitches IMO add about 5 to a batsman's average and SR.

That said, those away averages are pretty respectable for any batsman. Save for Laxman, but I don't think he was much of an ODI player anyway.

 

[Marklar_33]

Balls faced doesn't take into account not outs, which hurts Steve Waugh as he often came in super late in the innings.

Anyway, the graph seems to work, if I were to pick a dream ODI side ever, it wouldn't be too far off having M.Waugh, Anwar, Lara, Tendulkar, Richards and Ponting, with Flower or Sangakkara taking the gloves

 

[Knight Ryders]

Good statistical analysis but doesn't measure making runs when it really counts. That's where Border and Steve Waugh come into their own.

 

[whats_at_stake]

What is the bowling chart like? I would be interested in seeing whether Australian/New Zealand/South Africa/England seamers have a big differential in home and away averages given they would play on favourable tracks most of the time.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

I think a graph of average and strike rate would give a much better overview of a batter ... which is probably why they are the main stats used by everyone. It does give some extra insight, but on its own it's not that relevant.

Also, it's missing a few players including Afridi and Clarke (who would fare poorly and very well, respectively). Plus Dhoni is only 3 runs off the cut-off mark and would be up in the top handful of players.

 

[courtjester]

Balls faced doesn't take into account not outs, which hurts Steve Waugh as he often came in super late in the innings.

Anyway, the graph seems to work, if I were to pick a dream ODI side ever, it wouldn't be too far off having M.Waugh, Anwar, Lara, Tendulkar, Richards and Ponting, with Flower or Sangakkara taking the gloves

Nah, Gilly'd take the gloves.

 

[Marklar_33]

Nah, Gilly'd take the gloves.

I'll take Flower off the graph. Fair chance my top 6 doesn't need either an opener, or an explosive batsman...