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I have always been a very vocal supporter of Walls, for one simple reason - he was a fantastic player, bloody good coach, and he knows football better than you or me. I like some of the things he says here, and there is an interesting part about Scott Thompson...

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/08/04/1154198332144.html

Craig's battle-hardened men

Robert Walls
August 5, 2006

DESPITE last week's loss to the Eagles, the Crows are firm favourites for the flag at $2.50. And they are entitled to be the punters' choice. In 2005 and 2006, they have won 32 of their 42 games.

The Crows are the most experienced team in the competition. For tonight's game against Collingwood, 12 of their 22 players have more than 100 games of AFL football behind them. The average number of games is 124.

They have battle-hardened bodies that can withstand the tough training programs that their coach puts them through.

This is a team that is able to run hard all game and that relishes the in-close physical stuff.

There is no doubt the team's window of opportunity is in the period 2005-07, so it already has let one premiership opportunity slip. But missing out last year has added a steely resolve to this outfit.

Seven of the Crows' regulars will be in their 30s next year. They know that time is not on their side. It is a credit to the veterans and to the coaching staff that they are playing so well in the twilight of their careers.

Five of the oldies, Mark Ricciuto, 31, Tyson Edwards, 30 tomorrow, Ben Hart, 32, Andrew McLeod, 30 yesterday, and Simon Goodwin, 29, played in the premierships of 1997-98. All, except Hart, are having excellent seasons.

Ricciuto, in his new role at full-forward, is the leading goalkicker with an average of three goals a game.

Goodwin is one of the favourites for the Brownlow Medal. He averages a staggering 28 disposals a game and leads his team in clearances and handball receives. He is a super-fit running machine with a strong appetite for contests — one of a rare breed in modern football.

Edwards is one of the most underrated players in football. With 238 games to his credit, the compact strong midfielder can create or close down depending on what is required at the time. His experience and durability is invaluable to his team.

McLeod will miss tonight's game as he recently had surgery on a troublesome foot, but the dual Norm Smith medallist has had a super season running off half-back. More than 10 times a game, McLeod runs to receive handballs and, with his precise foot delivery, repeatedly sets his forwards up.

Hart, the most experienced player on the Crows' list, is into his 15th season. Injuries have cost him, but now he is back in the side and very much enjoying being part of the meanest defence in the game, a unit that concedes only 70 points a game.

Coming up for game 242 is ruck giant Matthew Clarke. "Doc", as he is called, is a bit stiff. He started his career with Brisbane back in '93. He was a Lion when the Crows took the 1997-98 flags. After 130 games with Brisbane, he joined the Crows in 2000. He then saw his old teammates win three premierships in a row.

The Doc seldom gets his timing wrong with his leaps, which help make him the best tap ruckman of the past decade. He did, however, get his timing wrong with his choice of clubs. This season may well be his final chance to become a premiership player.

A real strength of coach Neil Craig and his coaching staff has been to resurrect the careers of four players from other clubs whose careers were floundering. And this has been done in the space of two years.

Matthew Bode played his 100th AFL game last week. It took nine years. Last year, Bode played only two games. This year, he has missed just one. The former Port Adelaide player has become super-fit and understands his role. He is a small forward crumber and the No. 1 pressure man on the opposition. He chases and tackles with ferocity.

Kris Massie was a disappointment at Carlton as a first-round draft choice and did little with Adelaide in his first couple of seasons. Last year, he played only three games; tonight, he will line up in the midfield as a regular starter for the top-of-the-ladder team.

I still have my doubts about him, but it can't be denied, coach Craig has Massie playing the best football of his career.

Scott Stevens is another who most thought was not much good. He did little with Sydney and couldn't even crack it for one game last year. Now he is the starting centre half-back, and has been for the last 12 weeks — amazing. Again, the coaching staff have triumphed as they have helped turn a lost cause into a increasingly important player.

The other reincarnation is Scott Thompson. This 23-year-old has real talent, yet at Melbourne, we rarely saw it. In four seasons with the Demons, he averaged fewer than 10 games a year. Since crossing to the Crows last year, he has played 40 of a possible 42 games, averages a goal a game, is third in the clearances and hard-ball gets and is recognised as one of the toughest goers in the league — what a transformation.

So when we see the Crows run out tonight at AAMI Stadium, again in front of a full house, we should salute the fine job that Craig is doing.

He has his team tough and fit. Each man knows his role. The veterans are hungry. The stars are shining and the battlers are playing to the best of their ability.

You can't ask for any more than that.

THE ADELAIDE GAMES COUNTHart 308

TONIGHT'S TEAM

Ricciuto 301

Clarke 241

Edwards 238

Goodwin 197

Bassett 168

McGregor 134

Burton 132

Biglands 128

Johncock 102

Massie 102

Bode 100

Doughty 93

Shirley 92

Thompson 79

Mattner 72

Reilly 61

Hentschel 57

Rutten 53

Stevens 50

Van Berlo 23

Porplyzia 6

MISSINGMcLeod 256

Torney 169

Welsh 138

Perrie 98
 
Interesting about Thompson.:eek: :thumbsu:

I like what he says about Stevens and Bode last year,no mention about their injuries but.:rolleyes:

Same as Hart he talked about this season,No mention of his Broken Arm.:rolleyes:

Then there is Thompson,I thought he got injury after injury at Melbourne.
 
rayven said:
Interesting about Thompson.:eek: :thumbsu:

I like what he says about Stevens and Bode last year,no mention about their injuries but.:rolleyes:

Same as Hart he talked about this season,No mention of his Broken Arm.:rolleyes:

Then there is Thompson,I thought he got injury after injury at Melbourne.

does it matter?

I am as guilty as anyone, but explaining away form as just being 'injuries' is a little too cheap and easy.
 
Prior to his broken arm, I thought Ben Hart was having a tremendous season. I also think Thommo had a MUCH BETTER year last year than he is having this year. At least we know he is capable of good things. I agree with him on Massie and I am still out on Stevo.... I was screaming for his head in the early part of the season, then he had a couple of corker games that made me think twice. Form in recent weeks has not been as impressive. Bode is frustrating. Creates SO many opportunities but doesnt capitalise on them. :(

On seeing Doc Clarke's game total of 241, I am saddened to think he will just miss out on his 250. He has been a great player for both Brisbane and us.
 

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are you kidding cro mo? he may have been a good player, and an excellent coach, but he is a very lazy journalist.

i may comment on games i dont watch and players i rarely see, but at least im not being paid for it.
 
zero said:
are you kidding cro mo? he may have been a good player, and an excellent coach, but he is a very lazy journalist.

i may comment on games i dont watch and players i rarely see, but at least im not being paid for it.

no what's lazy is this 'oh walls is an idiot' diatribe that seems so de-rigeur on big footy.
 
Crow-mo said:
no what's lazy is this 'oh walls is an idiot' diatribe that seems so de-rigeur on big footy.

I don't think he is an idiot, but it frustrates me no end when both he and Mike Sheehan call themselves "experts" and comment on games they havent watched. I am sorry, if I was paid to comment on football I would be watching every game, every week not just the one you call or decide to go to. Hang on, I DO watch every game every week .... and I'm NOT paid for it! Why is it so hard for them? I shake my head every time I hear one of these so called "professionals" say "I didn't catch that game..." why the hell not?? Fox Footy has replays of EVERY game... there is no excuse IMO.

And there endeth my dummy spit :D
 
I think Walls brings it on himself a lot of the time. He contradicts his opinions too much.

Case in point, the Port v Essendon match earlier this year. Opening bounce he applauds Kevin Sheedy for playing Bradley on Tredrea. "Bradley is going to be a 10 year player for the club, its great to see him getting the big roles as he is going to have to play on these types through his career, hope he stays on him the whole night".

By halfway through the 3rd quarter he completely contradicted himself, "Why wouldnt you play Fletcher on Tredrea? Fletcher is the number 1 defender he should be getting the number 1 forward. Bradley is not ready to take on the games best forwards"

This tends to happen a lot.

I also find his analysis on players to be well off the mark at times. He sometimes obviously doesnt do his homework (eg. Tredrea R2 2001). I also think his sometime barracking in the commentary box to be completely unprofessional (eg. Port v Richmond last year)
 
Yeah, I think those who accuse Walls of changing his opinions like the wind do have a point.

Yesterday Walls insisted that Tarrant and Johnson needed to be sidelined for breaking team rules. He scoffed at a fine being any sort of punishment.

Which is funny, because in previous seasons I'm sure Walls has objected to internal suspensions. Describing them as only "punishing the team".
 
Walls gets it right every now and then,but the Isreali's are dropping that many bombs on Lebenon the law of averages say they will get some Hizbollah.Same goes with Walls "opinions".

Walls appears in love with himself,He appears to be bigoted towards some clubs,particular anyone outside of Victoria and Queensland.

He appears to say anything as long as it sounds good,no matter if it contridicts previous statements of his.

He has NFI on us but claims to be an expert on us.He does not watch alot of our games,when we go well he either changes the subject or goes quiet but the moment we look shaky or he thinks he can portray us as shaky he cant shut up.
 

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Macca19 said:
I think Walls brings it on himself a lot of the time. He contradicts his opinions too much.

Spot on.

A few years ago I really liked Walls' weekly segment on 5AA cause he made a lot of good, well-thought out observations and clearly brought his wealth of experience as a player and a coach to the table. Is also a fine contributor on Fox Footy's On The Couch.

But come gameday and when he has to make observations on the fly he's woeful - and hence comes in for the barrage of criticisms for the reason you mentioned as well as just making some bad calls for effect.

A couple of other good examples I can think of to add:

- In 2004, Port vs Essendon at the Telstra Dome (when Port wore the hideous magenta guernsey), Chad Cornes got cleaned up by Matthew Lloyd 10 minutes into the first quarter. Clearly wasn't right but came back on and was subsequently bagged all night by Walls for giving Lucas "too much latitude" and playing poorly. Not once was mention made of the early hit having anything to do with his below par performance, just open season on Chad all night.

- This year in Round 1 vs Collingwood, Walls p#ssed all over us for playing our tempo footy late in the third quarter. Terrible for the game, don't like to see it, etc.

But when Richmond did it to us in the extreme a couple of months later, it was the greatest thing the game had ever seen and Terry Wallace was a god among men.
 
dyertribe said:
- This year in Round 1 vs Collingwood, Walls p#ssed all over us for playing our tempo footy late in the third quarter. Terrible for the game, don't like to see it, etc.

But when Richmond did it to us in the extreme a couple of months later, it was the greatest thing the game had ever seen and Terry Wallace was a god among men.

To be fair, Wallace deserved to be praised for that gameplan.

A week earlier, Richmond had been belted to the tune of 100+ points by Sydney. Adelaide were flying and the only questions on BF were whether the Crows would win by 100 or 150.

The Tigers went into the game with one of the most inexperienced lineups seen in some time and put Adelaide to the sword. For most of that game, Adelaide never even looked like they were in it - it was only when they (belatedly) decided to man-up in the final quarter that they even got close to Richmond.

Full credit to Wallace for finding a way for his VERY average outfit to beat the vastly superior Crows.

As for the gamestyle, I think (at least I hope) Walls was being sarcastic when he raved about how good it was.
 
DaveW said:
Yeah, I think those who accuse Walls of changing his opinions like the wind do have a point.

He's rock solid on two things:

1. The size of our players
2. Matthew Clarke's worth to the human race
 
dyertribe said:
A few years ago I really liked Walls' weekly segment on 5AA cause he made a lot of good, well-thought out observations and clearly brought his wealth of experience as a player and a coach to the table. Is also a fine contributor on Fox Footy's On The Couch.

But come gameday and when he has to make observations on the fly he's woeful - and hence comes in for the barrage of criticisms for the reason you mentioned as well as just making some bad calls for effect.

Perfect summary of Walls. 10/10

- In 2004, Port vs Essendon at the Telstra Dome (when Port wore the hideous magenta guernsey), Chad Cornes got cleaned up by Matthew Lloyd 10 minutes into the first quarter. Clearly wasn't right but came back on and was subsequently bagged all night by Walls for giving Lucas "too much latitude" and playing poorly. Not once was mention made of the early hit having anything to do with his below par performance, just open season on Chad all night.

I actually have the guernsey that Chad wore that night :o Pretty sure Mark Bolton was playing on Chad that night and Walls was praising how Bolton was taking Cornes up the ground and out of the play, etc.
 
dyertribe said:
A few years ago I really liked Walls' weekly segment on 5AA cause he made a lot of good, well-thought out observations and clearly brought his wealth of experience as a player and a coach to the table. Is also a fine contributor on Fox Footy's On The Couch.

But come gameday and when he has to make observations on the fly he's woeful - and hence comes in for the barrage of criticisms for the reason you mentioned as well as just making some bad calls for effect.
Spot on!!!!!!!:thumbsu:

Anyone remember that semi final against Melbourne in 2002? Neitz was having a big influence on the game. He dragged the Dees from a big defecit to a reasonably big lead so Ayres and co decide to put Biglands on Neitz. This drew a barrage from Wallsy about how dumb that move is. Taking away a ruckman to play on a FF. This is playing right into Melbourne's hands etc... He went on about it like a pork chop. Half an hour later he did a complete 360. The move of Biglands was a masterstroke and Adelaide should have done it much earlier blah blah blah. That piece of special comments was absolute garbage.
 
neddy36 said:
I actually have the guernsey that Chad wore that night :o Pretty sure Mark Bolton was playing on Chad that night and Walls was praising how Bolton was taking Cornes up the ground and out of the play, etc.

Sorry you're right, it was Bolton(!).
 

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Stiffy_18 said:
Spot on!!!!!!!:thumbsu:

Anyone remember that semi final against Melbourne in 2002? Neitz was having a big influence on the game. He dragged the Dees from a big defecit to a reasonably big lead so Ayres and co decide to put Biglands on Neitz. This drew a barrage from Wallsy about how dumb that move is. Taking away a ruckman to play on a FF. This is playing right into Melbourne's hands etc... He went on about it like a pork chop. Half an hour later he did a complete 360. The move of Biglands was a masterstroke and Adelaide should have done it much earlier blah blah blah. That piece of special comments was absolute garbage.

sorry stiffy, I am not really singling you out, but throughout this thread there are plenty of stories from 2002, 2004 etc. and none of them are really a big deal, are they?

There are plenty of people now saying Blight is an idiot, I remember when Leigh Matthews replaced Blight on the couch - he wasn't any good either; Malthouse is hyper criticised for anything he writes for the Australian... Cornesy is apparently now a fool etc etc...

that's my real point, bitch and moan about them all you want, comes with the job, but these guys do actually know what they're on about.

maybe they're not as hyper-obsessive as we are at times, but that's hardly a problem.
 
Crow-mo said:
sorry stiffy, I am not really singling you out, but throughout this thread there are plenty of stories from 2002, 2004 etc. and none of them are really a big deal, are they?

There are plenty of people now saying Blight is an idiot, I remember when Leigh Matthews replaced Blight on the couch - he wasn't any good either; Malthouse is hyper criticised for anything he writes for the Australian... Cornesy is apparently now a fool etc etc...

that's my real point, bitch and moan about them all you want, comes with the job, but these guys do actually know what they're on about.

maybe they're not as hyper-obsessive as we are at times, but that's hardly a problem.
I never quiestioned his knowledge on football. I think he is an astute football judge and I do enjoy readin his articles and his weakly piece on 5AA. What I am not a big fan off is Wallsy's in game special comments. He will bag something in the first quarter and praise that same thing in the second quarter.

An idiot, he is not. A great special comments man on game day he is not either. He is a bit like McDermott in that he will present one view early on in the game and do a complete backflip in the later stages. Thats my only real gripe with Wallsy. Apart from that, I quite enjoy his articles and his weakly segmant on 5AA. He definetly knows his football but he is just not suited to special comments man role during the game
 
Stiffy_18 said:
I never quiestioned his knowledge on football. I think he is an astute football judge and I do enjoy readin his articles and his weakly piece on 5AA. What I am not a big fan off is Wallsy's in game special comments. He will bag something in the first quarter and praise that same thing in the second quarter.

sorry, I really wasn't trying to single you out, more a general comment, based on the most recent post.

An idiot, he is not. A great special comments man on game day he is not either. He is a bit like McDermott in that he will present one view early on in the game and do a complete backflip in the later stages. Thats my only real gripe with Wallsy. Apart from that, I quite enjoy his articles and his weakly segmant on 5AA. He definetly knows his football but he is just not suited to special comments man role during the game

I have zero issue with that, as far as I am concerned complain about specific conducts til the cows come home. but equally, you are just as aware as I am, of the BF trend to ridicule the actual knowledge of some of these guys.

I think "I don't like his special comments" is perfectly reasonable as a position, my opening post, was that I objected to the tendancy to label him an idiot. I guess the point is, that I felt I needed to make that point before posting a walls article.
 
Haha he sucks up to a few players and you ring in the praises....
He was a good player as a coach he left teams dishevelled in his wake and his comments are quite uninsightful he backsteps constantly and portrays himself horribly.
 

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