Interesting!

[BOND 007]

HaHa... love it

The general perception of Masten doesn't appear too high from bf posters from other clubs i hope that doesn't translate to the educated recruiters from GWS, although i think the majority of eagles fans would love to offload him for an eqivalent pick so i think that says something

Forget about contracts giving away Masten and Brown for o'meara would seem a reasonable deal for both parties involved, and the players.

With Glass closing in on retirement, with Mackenzie showing intermittant signs of improvement, and with Schofield proving he's best suited to the 3rd tall position - you want to move on a young KPD who has only just resigned.

Suggestions on this board are getting sillier by the post.

Guys remember this isnt the next coming of Christ - this is a lad who at this stage of his life is showing he MAY become a good footballer at a senior level. If there was a guarantee that he would be as good a player as Judd then Masten and Brown wouldnt be enough. Unfortunately there is a far far greater likelihood of him becoming a Swift (best junior in the land at age 16) or Rich (guaranteed #1 or #2 pick 6 months prior to the draft).

 

[Mattman93]

With Glass closing in on retirement, with Mackenzie showing intermittant signs of improvement, and with Schofield proving he's best suited to the 3rd tall position - you want to move on a young KPD who has only just resigned.

Suggestions on this board are getting sillier by the post.

Guys remember this isnt the next coming of Christ - this is a lad who at this stage of his life is showing he MAY become a good footballer at a senior level. If there was a guarantee that he would be as good a player as Judd then Masten and Brown wouldnt be enough. Unfortunately there is a far far greater likelihood of him becoming a Swift (best junior in the land at age 16) or Rich (guaranteed #1 or #2 pick 6 months prior to the draft).

So you don't think O'Meara is in the class level that suggests he'll surely be the number 1 midfielder in 12 months time ala Swallow? Or have I misinterpreted your post.

How do you rate him? I've read some big statements on here about him (upside wise he's WA's best midfield junior in years, etc).

I really need to stop bugging you with questions every time you post.

 

[BOND 007]

So you don't think O'Meara is in the class level that suggests he'll surely be the number 1 midfielder in 12 months time ala Swallow? Or have I misinterpreted your post.

How do you rate him? I've read some big statements on here about him (upside wise he's WA's best midfield junior in years, etc).

I really need to stop bugging you with questions every time you post.

First of all I'm happy for you to ask questions - its nice to think someone values my opinions.

You ask several things so I'll answer them in order.

1) I have seen O'Meara play many times and I think he's an exciting talent - however I'm not sure he's at the level of Coniglio and for mine Swallow (at that age) was better than both. However this is a personal opinion
2) Do I believe he will be #1 midfielder next year - yes I do (if the curve continues as it should for him).

But this is not the point of my previous post. What I tried to get across is that many things change change in the 12 months before a kid is drafted which sees a "dead certainty to be a star " become nothing more than a "talented kid"

I'll give you 2 examples from an experienced perspective. Swallow aside, the 2 most talented young midfielders I have seen - as 16yr olds - in the last 5-6 years were Swift and Marc Murphy. Cotchin who I rated as the best of these 3 in 2010 was not as high as either of these 2 at the age of 16 (IMO).

So who of these would you give up Masten AND Brown for ?
(which is what some poster suggested)

 

[The_Panther]

I take your point bond.

It's fair to say i'm going with the bf posters general consensus that o'meara is gonna be a star. Where as Brown in particular is outside our best 22.

To your point about schofield he in recent weeks has actually been used on the opp lead up chf and glass has played on the 3rd tall to allow him to zone off and provide extra support to Mackenzie who is playing on the number 1 forward.

 

[Shupe]

I'll give you 2 examples from an experienced perspective. Swallow aside, the 2 most talented young midfielders I have seen - as 16yr olds - in the last 5-6 years were Swift and Marc Murphy. Cotchin who I rated as the best of these 3 in 2010 was not as high as either of these 2 at the age of 16 (IMO).

So who of these would you give up Masten AND Brown for ?
(which is what some poster suggested)

Id give up BOTH of my testicles for Cotchin. Or was it just out of Murphy and Swift?

 

[Obeanie1]

First of all I'm happy for you to ask questions - its nice to think someone values my opinions.

You ask several things so I'll answer them in order.

1) I have seen O'Meara play many times and I think he's an exciting talent - however I'm not sure he's at the level of Coniglio and for mine Swallow (at that age) was better than both. However this is a personal opinion
2) Do I believe he will be #1 midfielder next year - yes I do (if the curve continues as it should for him).

But this is not the point of my previous post. What I tried to get across is that many things change change in the 12 months before a kid is drafted which sees a "dead certainty to be a star " become nothing more than a "talented kid"

I'll give you 2 examples from an experienced perspective. Swallow aside, the 2 most talented young midfielders I have seen - as 16yr olds - in the last 5-6 years were Swift and Marc Murphy. Cotchin who I rated as the best of these 3 in 2010 was not as high as either of these 2 at the age of 16 (IMO).

So who of these would you give up Masten AND Brown for ?
(which is what some poster suggested)

Hi Bond.

What are your thoughts on the Eagles trading for pick 2 in the U17 draft and therefore not having to pay quite as much.

With pick 2 we either grab O'Meara if available or Carter?

Also any rumours about Jeff Garlett at the Blues looking for a move back West, believe he is getting married in Broome this off season.

 

[BOND 007]

Hi Bond.

What are your thoughts on the Eagles trading for pick 2 in the U17 draft and therefore not having to pay quite as much.

With pick 2 we either grab O'Meara if available or Carter?

Also any rumours about Jeff Garlett at the Blues looking for a move back West, believe he is getting married in Broome this off season.

Hi Obeanie - hows the weather up there?

In answer to your 1st question - I dont think its that easy to "be" 2nd best. Remember GWS decide the order of the bids so what WC may consider to be a gd bid may be seen by GWS to be not so appealing. Its a really tricky situation this one for all clubs - GWS may decide that no bids are much chop and accept none.

As to question 2 - I wouldnt be betting your house on Garlett leaving - although there are certainly an opportunity

 

[dajesmac]

Unless something remarkable happens and I mean truly remarkable - then Brown will be at WC next year.

Masten, Swift and Stevens on the other hand...

Probably a good thing and my personal preference. 2 mids for a mid rather than a KPD which we need would be good.

I suggested Brown + Masten merely because it was more attractive IMO than Masten + Swift/Stevens.

 

[dajesmac]

Hi Obeanie - hows the weather up there?

In answer to your 1st question - I dont think its that easy to "be" 2nd best. Remember GWS decide the order of the bids so what WC may consider to be a gd bid may be seen by GWS to be not so appealing. Its a really tricky situation this one for all clubs - GWS may decide that no bids are much chop and accept none.

So a team may bid everything they can to receive pick one, but GWS may decide it's only worth pick 3 and that team can't retract?

EG we give Masten + Stevens hoping for pick one and only receiving pick 3 (and say O'Meara and Carter are gone), we can't retract, we have to take a 17 year old? Or does GWS say that would net you pick 3, are you still interested?

Seems like a massive risk otherwise when you think about it. There is some decent talent in those 17 year olds though. Wouldn't mind that Ben Kennedy.

 

[BOND 007]

So a team may bid everything they can to receive pick one, but GWS may decide it's only worth pick 3 and that team can't retract?

EG we give Masten + Stevens hoping for pick one and only receiving pick 3 (and say O'Meara and Carter are gone), we can't retract, we have to take a 17 year old? Or does GWS say that would net you pick 3, are you still interested?

Seems like a massive risk otherwise when you think about it. There is some decent talent in those 17 year olds though. Wouldn't mind that Ben Kennedy.

It is my understanding that the draftvworks like this

1) GWS asks all interested clubs to submit their bids
2) Based on these bids GWS makes a decision on how many bids are worthy of a pick AND the order of picks to the clubs

I would think it highly unlikely that after bidding a club can retract the bid simply because GWS has decided that 2 other bids are better. It is case of bidder beware.

So WC could offer Brown, Masten, Cox & Kerr & be trumped by St K who offer Gardiner & Gram simply because GWS prefer the Saints offer. In this case Saints get #1 & WC #2

 

[new breed]

Sheeds would be loving this concession , havings clubs grovel for players that aern't even his .

There was an article from Kim Hagdorn that said one club is believed to have nominated three players for the No 1 pick ,... i hope that is not us

 

[Obeanie1]

It is my understanding that the draftvworks like this

1) GWS asks all interested clubs to submit their bids
2) Based on these bids GWS makes a decision on how many bids are worthy of a pick AND the order of picks to the clubs

I would think it highly unlikely that after bidding a club can retract the bid simply because GWS has decided that 2 other bids are better. It is case of bidder beware.

So WC could offer Brown, Masten, Cox & Kerr & be trumped by St K who offer Gardiner & Gram simply because GWS prefer the Saints offer. In this case Saints get #1 & WC #2

Surely this cannot be the case, its ridiculous, why?

Well say 6 clubs put in their bids in for pick #1 but don't know if they will succeed or what pick they get. GWS look at these and say:

"Wow, the 4 best bids are pretty good, hell lets use all 4 of our U17 trade picks this season. You get pick 1, you get 2, you get 3 and you get pick 4, thanks for all the players and picks guys."

So someone who just put up a great bid for pick 1 gets pick 4?

No freakin way, that is a very risky way to trade for a pick not even knowing which pick you will get.

I read somewhere that the bids and picks are awarded one at a time. Everyone bids for pick 1, pick 1 is awarded.

Then if you are still interested you put in a bid for pick 2, GWS assess the bids and either say yes or no.

Then we go to pick 3 etc.

Thats the fairest way to do this and its open and transparent.

 

[bodazoka]

If someone has put up three players.. geez.

GWS could get 4-5 players from just two of these picks! along with Scully, Davis, Palmer, Ward etc...

 

[Obeanie1]

If someone has put up three players.. geez.

GWS could get 4-5 players from just two of these picks! along with Scully, Davis, Palmer, Ward etc...

Depends on the 3 players doesn't it?

Any three of C Wilson, Stevenson, Dalziell, Houlihan, Strijk, B Jones, Swift or Hams and we have a deal.

It sure wouldn't be 3 best 22 players would it.

 

[bodazoka]

For a young team a few players like Lynch, Dalziell and Strijk would be in the best 10 at there club. Throw in a Wilson type who would probably top there goal kicking!

 

[Galileo9]

It is my understanding that the draftvworks like this

1) GWS asks all interested clubs to submit their bids
2) Based on these bids GWS makes a decision on how many bids are worthy of a pick AND the order of picks to the clubs

I would think it highly unlikely that after bidding a club can retract the bid simply because GWS has decided that 2 other bids are better. It is case of bidder beware.

So WC could offer Brown, Masten, Cox & Kerr & be trumped by St K who offer Gardiner & Gram simply because GWS prefer the Saints offer. In this case Saints get #1 & WC #2

in that case i cant see clubs offering much. you could risk losing alot for not much gain if you dont get no.1. better for gws that clubs were allowed to trade for a specific pick. clubs would give more for a guarantee.