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Ireland select Sheedy double as Manager for this years IRS

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Peter P

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With a lot riding on this year's International Rules Series - the conservative element in the GAA will force the abandonment if someone does another Chris Johnson; the concept will start to fade if the remarkable competitiveness of the past 4 decades slips if Ireland cannot match it with Sheedy's new look made to order Australian side - Ireland have selected a legendary coach with a record to rival Sheedy's record of single club coach since 1981 with 4 premierships.

In fact you'd be hard pressed to find 2 coaches of any code in the world with the records of Kevin Sheedy and Sean Boylan.

Boylan coached county Meath from 1982 to the end of last season for 4 All Ireland Championships and the lesser silverware of 3 National League titles and 8 Leinster championships. Meath were the archetypal strongmen of Gaelic football and thanks to a Dublin cousin's ticket I saw them at the height of their glory years in 1988 demolish Cork in the Final.

From the Irish Independent:

Strength and steel of Boylan ideal qualities for Ireland job

Former Meath manager Seán Boylan, who has been appointed as the eighth Ireland International Rules manager.

THERE may be more than a touch of irony to some in the appointment to the position of Irish international rules manager, at a time when the series is one more bad confrontation away from extinction, of the man who sent out some of the most fearless, hard-hitting and durable teams of modern times.

For the decade and a half after the era of almost absolute Kerry dominance had disintegrated Meath were the most feared team around. They were also the most loathed with not everyone buying into their style of play. It won them serious respect though and that was reflected again yesterday when the new GAA president Nickey Brennan confirmed Seán Boylan, the architect of those teams, as the new international team manager.

Brennan was at pains to point out that Boylan and the management team assembled was his first choice. No one else had been asked.

Boylan had a lot of things going for him.

First, he was a Leinster man and being from the same province as the man who had the pick didn't harm his prospects.

Secondly, he was available. After 23 years with Meath he stepped down last August and he kept his diary clean, so becoming one of only two candidates who fitted the bill.

Thirdly, his success rate with Meath formed an impressive CV, the four All-Irelands, eight Leinsters and three league titles in that 23-year period covered one of the game's most competitive eras of the modern game.

But perhaps the most compelling reason for his selection is the mentality his teams have traditionally adopted, that ferocious never-say-die spirit they were renowned for, the steel they possessed and the combative, competitive streak that laid the foundations for almost 20 years of Meath teams.

The GAA may be keen to see the back of the roughhouse tactics of last year but they still acknowledge the need for a much more competitive approach.
It was one of Boylan's first acknowledgements on his introduction yesterday. For all the controversy his teams were immersed in over their style of play, no one has ever pointed the finger at him accusing him of encouraging anything underhand. And God knows there have been enough books written by those who played for him to provide a forum if he did!

Competitive

"It's vital that everybody goes into it in the proper spirit - if we don't go in that way, we'll be in trouble before we even start. There's an awful lot of work to go into it, to convince team managers who are fearful that the players will get hurt. We'll do our very best to have it right, proper and competitive - we won't take the competitive thing out of it," he said.

There's a perception that Ireland's timid approach in preparation and style to last year's series is the legacy of the erosion of the physical side to Gaelic football in recent years.

In appointing Boylan, Brennan has sought someone to instill sufficient competitiveness and toughness but someone who can also draw a line not be crossed. "There was controversy with the last series but if it does nothing else it makes people realise how much they care about it. That's what happens when there's a lack of clarity with certain issues - it can lead to a breakdown of communication on the field," added Boylan.

"This series was never intended to be a career-threatening series - it's supposed to be career-enhancing. We want to get it back like that and certainly, nobody was happy with some of the things that happened last year. Pádraig (Joyce) wasn't, Pete McGrath wasn't and as an Irishman looking on, I wasn't either. The Australians weren't happy either so at least we're all in agreement on that. We find ourselves in a situation where we need to convince certain players about how serious we are."

Having a clean series is an absolute priority for the GAA but winning now also constitutes a necessity for series stability.

Ireland need to win the series on home soil next October/November, or at least come close, to preserve the belief that it still has a prosperous future. Any repeat of the domination the Australians had in Perth and Melbourne and the GAA could be back in Dubai seeking more concessions.

His appointment reaffirms the strong relationship his county has had with the international rules and the AFL, dating back to 1967 when Harry Beitzel's touring Galahs played the then All-Ireland champions Meath in their first exhibition match before Meath returned to Australia a few months later.

It was Meath who proposed reviving the links with the Australians in the early 80s and since then three Meath players have captained their country - Bob O'Malley (1990), John McDermott (1998 and '99) and Trevor Giles (2000) while Colm O'Rourke managed the team in 1998 and '99, the only occasion that Ireland have won home and away series under the same management.

Boylan will be re-invigorated by the challenge in much the same way as he was when he rebuilt Meath teams in 1986 and 1996.

A good team has been built around him but ultimately it will be the force of Boylan's personality that will set the tone for the next two years.

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see also: Boylan Hot for Aussies - Belfast Telegraph
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Tas said:
They should scrap the series and play netball.

The annual polls - on websites like this and RealFooty etc have shown a sizeable but annually shrinking minority agree with you Tas. Same in Ireland with even a smaller minority against it until Chris Johnson's king hits of guys who had to go back to trades and banking jobs etc the next week put a few more back in the conservative naysayer camp.
 

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And why don't ye like it ?

I can understand why a lot of Irish people don't like it but i still don't understand why Australians don't like it. Any argument i've heard has being misinformed ignorant horse :D:D:D:De with the people talking clearly having no clue about the game.
 
I don't like it cause the sport they are playing doesn't exist. Im pretty sure no clubs play that game at any level except for that series.
 
I still dont see what all the fuss is about a bit of biffo. Dont the Irish have any go in them any more? I thought that was part of their history, fighting back and not worrying about a few knuckles. My dear old grandma, from Tipperary, would be turning in her grave,knowing that they squealed as the did.
 
Thankyou for the update, PeterP. If the referee/umpires had clamped down on the off the ball stuff and the overenthusiastic "tackles" laid by Buchanon, Hodge etc early in the first test, Johnson might never have exploded the way he did. As long as it was anywhere within five minutes of a tackle, you could do what you wanted to the Irish lads. That and the fact that a send off didn't punish the team at all sent a message to Johnson and a few others that it was open season.

I hope that the Referee/Umpires do better, that the Irish do better and that the Australians pull their heads in, the last less likely whilst Sheedy is coach.
 
Peter P said:
The annual polls - on websites like this and RealFooty etc have shown a sizeable but annually shrinking minority agree with you Tas. Same in Ireland with even a smaller minority against it until Chris Johnson's king hits of guys who had to go back to trades and banking jobs etc the next week put a few more back in the conservative naysayer camp.

Well, if we are going to have no contact and just toss a round ball around, might aswell watch good looking women in short dresses than men playing a girl's game. ;)
 
Tas said:
Well, if we are going to have no contact and just toss a round ball around, might aswell watch good looking women in short dresses than men playing a girl's game. ;)
The telecasts will probably end up on a Sunday night. Your local netball competition may even play late sunday games.
 
The only reason this concept is still alive is Andrew Demitrious OBSESSION that it must succeed. The IR is his personal child
Without him driving it Peter P you and I both know that it will die at the top level eventually.
As for the GAA clamp down on the AFL picking up Irish recruits it will not matter because International players will within 3 years come from elsewhere.
Ireland will become irelevant for Aussie Rules football.
 
The importance of the Series is that it fosters friendships between the GAA and AFL and the supporters of both codes support it by turning up in huge numbers for the games. People like it.

Both codes are operating in extremely competitive environments with in Australia both rugby codes and soccer presenting a problem and in Ireland they live under the intense bombardment of media attention for English soccer.

Both can learn from each other in how to foster and encourage 2 of the few ethno centric sports to survive and thrive in a world subjected to mass televising of soccer and basketball.

More unites than divides and the series has to be played competively and still in a friendly spirit. No point calling the irish whingers. The Oz team did overdo it last series and no point he Irish going on too much cos there will always be some blueing in contact sport. A balance has to be struck and hopefully Sean Boylan and Sheedy will have teams doing it right.
 

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gaelictiogar said:
.... The Oz team did overdo it last series and no point he Irish going on too much cos there will always be some blueing in contact sport. A balance has to be struck and hopefully Sean Boylan and Sheedy will have teams doing it right.
Expecting Sheedy coached teams not to overdo the physical stuff is optimistic.
 
Why are we bothering with this rubbish game? I liked it when it was brough back in 1998 but in the last few years its become a farce. Especially how the irish can't handle some physical pressure and whine like little girls threatening to take their ball home and never play again.

Its pathetic how the irish know they can't win with our style of play so they have to change the rules so little paddy won't cry and they can win.

No one here was complaining when the paddys completely flogged us with their running game a few years ago, did they?

Its a stupid game.
 
pfinn said:
I don't like it cause the sport they are playing doesn't exist. Im pretty sure no clubs play that game at any level except for that series.

It doesn't exist ? If it doesn't exist then how can they play it ?

You mean it ONLY exists at international level and not at club level.
 
FuManchu said:
I still dont see what all the fuss is about a bit of biffo. Dont the Irish have any go in them any more? I thought that was part of their history, fighting back and not worrying about a few knuckles. My dear old grandma, from Tipperary, would be turning in her grave,knowing that they squealed as the did.

1. Theres nothing wrong with a bit of roughhousing, the boxing matches and clotheshangers is what :D:D:D:Ded people off. I don't follow boxing, don't particularly like the sport so why should i see it on a football field ?

2. Your dear old grandma wouldn't know what football was. To people in Tipperary, Football is a myth, most of them don't believe there is such a thing :p

i.e > Football is not really played in Tipperary, its not liked in Tipperary and no one in Tipperary could give a flying monkeys about the sport.
 

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gaelictiogar said:
The importance of the Series is that it fosters friendships between the GAA and AFL and the supporters of both codes support it by turning up in huge numbers for the games. People like it.

Both codes are operating in extremely competitive environments with in Australia both rugby codes and soccer presenting a problem and in Ireland they live under the intense bombardment of media attention for English soccer.

Both can learn from each other in how to foster and encourage 2 of the few ethno centric sports to survive and thrive in a world subjected to mass televising of soccer and basketball.

More unites than divides and the series has to be played competively and still in a friendly spirit. No point calling the irish whingers. The Oz team did overdo it last series and no point he Irish going on too much cos there will always be some blueing in contact sport. A balance has to be struck and hopefully Sean Boylan and Sheedy will have teams doing it right.
Well said, I agree completely. I think it's a fantastic series and hope that it sticks around. There's a genuine rivalry there that seems to intensify every year, big crowds come along to the games and the players seem to really get into it! (And not just for the lazy holiday with a tour to the Guinness factory in Dublin anymore either!) Why should it stop? Besides, it's fun getting on the nerves of Irish relatives whenever we win.
 
pfinn said:
I don't like it cause the sport they are playing doesn't exist. Im pretty sure no clubs play that game at any level except for that series.

Actually you're wrong PFINN. There's been somewhere between 100 and 200 matches played apart from the Ireland v Australia Tests and previous elite level games that go back to 1967 and the Beitzel/Barrassi tour plus the schoolboys and now u17 games that go back to the early 1980s.

Those 100 plus games are between GAA and Aussie Rules clubs in places like Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney, Auckland, Dublin, Cork, Donegal, Reading (England), Denver, New York, Orange County (California), Calgary, Edmonton, Cayman islands (Carribean), Copenhagen, a town in south of Sweden, Frankfurt, Munich, Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, was at least talked about in Madrid and probably games in a few other places.

Some of those matches are now annual events or tri-match series, some are approaching 10 years of history. The number of matches may well be closer to 200 than 100 by now. All seem to have been greatly enjoyed by the participants. The hybrid game has found a niche.

See http://www.worldfootynews.com/index.php?topic=internationalrules for some details and links.

As a niche game for expat Gaels and Aussies and locals who play the 2 codes it is a worthy if modest addition to the sporting world. However lets be speculative about half a century from now:

International Rules is unlikely to cause the extinction of either Gaelic or Aussie Rules (which I think is a lurking fear behind some people's dislike of it). Properly promoted the hybrid could be used to help promote both Gaelic and Aussie Rules. Even if International Rules one day becomes a mode of moderate semi-professional or professional international competition I can't see it displacing Aussie Rules or Gaelic football in Australia and Ireland respectively. But more people playing any of the 3 codes around the world would boost the AFL in terms of global interest, marketing and TV revenue and player talent for the AFL draft. For both the AFL and GAA such a scenario offers security in a world dominated by another round ball code (that seeks to call itself the only real "Football") and another oval ball code in Rugby Union.

Even if that rationale is unnescessary the game is as Walken79 points out well accepted by big crowds of fans of both Gaelic and Aussie Rules. It has a nearly 40 year tradition - so to say it "doesn't exist" just doesn't make sense - unless you know something about the laws of physics we don't?
 
Diego said:
Why are we bothering with this rubbish game? I liked it when it was brough back in 1998 but in the last few years its become a farce. Especially how the irish can't handle some physical pressure and whine like little girls threatening to take their ball home and never play again.

Its pathetic how the irish know they can't win with our style of play so they have to change the rules so little paddy won't cry and they can win.

No one here was complaining when the paddys completely flogged us with their running game a few years ago, did they?

Its a stupid game.

Thats priceless! I think you'll find a huge amount of people said back then whats the point playing because the rules are tilted too much in Irelands favour. Then last year with the same rules you hammered us. I must say though you are an extremely tough bunch on this board and I for one would hate to meet any of you in dark alleys. "Whats wrong with a bit of biff" you say? Nothing really but you can't have it both ways. The same people who reckon we are soft were probably crying out for Barry Hall to miss the grand final for tapping someone in the guts. What Chris Johnson did is illegal in the AFL too so don't try and tell me "thats the way aussie rules is played". A few years ago maybe, but not now.
 

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