Is Cameron Mooney overrated?

[Juddernaut08]

At some clubs he'd be the 3rd tall at best. There are at least 20 forwards better than him; yet he's rated so highly because he has so much support.

 

[Claude Balls]

Probably not, because he doesn't appear to be rated at all!

And I don't think there are 20 key forwards better than him. Why don't you come up with a list?

 

[Claude Balls]

Oh, this is one of those raucously funny polls, where the ultra-witty creator provides two options, which are essentially the same! Great work nerd

 

[iGNITER]

Probably not, because he doesn't appear to be rated at all!

And I don't think there are 20 key forwards better than him. Why don't you come up with a list?

These are forwards i would take before Mooney:

J.Brown
Pavlich
Franklin
Richardson
Fevola
Cloke
Hall
Riewoldt
Koschitze
Lucas
Lloyd
B.Johnson
O'Keefe
Bradshaw
Thompson
Burton
Murphy

 

[Claude Balls]

These are forwards i would take before Mooney:

J.Brown - agree
Pavlich - agree
Franklin - agree
Richardson - agree
Fevola - agree
Cloke - agree (based on age... ouput has not yet matched Mooney's)
Hall - agree
Riewoldt - agree

The rest are entirely questionable

Koschitze
Lucas
Lloyd
B.Johnson - not a KP
O'Keefe - not a KP
Bradshaw
Thompson
Burton

See above. And there are 17 forwards there (including murphy), not 20, einstein. 13 when you remove the non-KP forwards.

You are clearly basing your assesments entirely on goals. The first 8 or so forwards are obviously more valuable players, though Cloke has not delivered yet based on potential.

Take Johnson, O'Keefe and Burton out of the second bracket however (given they are not KPP's) and you are left with a totally subjective mix. They are either getting old, or are now injured, or have simply had cracking starts to 2008, without having much else to substantiate their claims to being superiour to Mooney.

Sure Mooney isn't playing as well as last year, however he has had many goal assists, and has been hurt by inaccuracy. If he had kicked accurately on 10 more occasions, ill considered people such as yourself wouldn't be so dismissive.

You're post is fundamentally invalid anyway, seeing as you can't count.

 

[iGNITER]

See above. And there are 17 forwards there (including murphy), not 20, einstein. 13 when you remove the non-KP forwards.

You are clearly basing your assesments entirely on goals. The first 8 or so forwards are obviously more valuable players, though Cloke has not delivered yet based on potential.

Take Johnson, O'Keefe and Burton out of the second bracket however (given they are not KPP's) and you are left with a totally subjective mix. They are either getting old, or are now injured, or have simply had cracking starts to 2008, without having much else to substantiate their claims to being superiour to Mooney.

Sure Mooney isn't playing as well as last year, however he has had many goal assists, and has been hurt by inaccuracy. If he had kicked accurately on 10 more occasions, ill considered people such as yourself wouldn't be so dismissive.

You're post is fundamentally invalid anyway, seeing as you can't count.

Did i say there were 20 better kp forwards? NO
I said forwards i would take before Mooney - i could name plenty more forwards that are not KP that i would take before Mooney.
Maybe you should read the post and then reply.

 

[Claude Balls]

Did i say there were 20 better kp forwards? NO
I said forwards i would take before Mooney - i could name plenty more forwards that are not KP that i would take before Mooney.
Maybe you should read the post and then reply.

I read your post, there wasn't much to it. There's not much room for you to backpeddle, given that you simply highlighted my post "I don't think there are 20 KP forwards better than Mooney", and then offered a list of forwards you would take before him... I'd say there's a fairly implicit message in there.

And you already named 4 forwards who are not KP, so why didn't you just add the rest while you were at it?

In all fairness, there certainly are 20 forwards in the AFL better than Mooney ATM if you include all types.

 

[iGNITER]

I read your post, there wasn't much to it. There's not much room for you to backpeddle, given that you simply highlighted my post "I don't think there are 20 KP forwards better than Mooney", and then offered a list of forwards you would take before him... I'd say there's a fairly implicit message in there.

And you already named 4 forwards who are not KP, so why didn't you just add the rest while you were at it?

In all fairness, there certainly are 20 forwards in the AFL better than Mooney ATM if you include all types.

Im not backpeddling at all - all of those players have played a KP role for their respective teams this year.
I highlighted your quote and stated that i will put the ones i would have infront of Mooney.
I never once said there were 20 better KP forwards than him.
But to answer the threads question - yes he is overrated.

 

[cat_fanatic]

Hahaha

Mooney is inconsequential to our huge scores each week.

Mooney is a utility player turned key forward. He was never drafted as a key forward and yet is receiving awards like AA and DT representative ahead of other, more deserving players, due to our awesome midfield's delivery. Its hilarious that people get so upset over it.

Mooney is essential to our structure. He takes the opposition key back out of the contest and chips in with one or two a game, which is all that's required when guys like Johnson, Chapman, Stokes and Hawkins are the main contributors to the score board, along with the midfield.

If we had a Bradshaw or Pavlich we would become one dimensional like many other teams and probably not score as easily, as it's easier to negate one player than it is to tag a whole team. Ill take a solid spread of goal kickers over a star KP forward any day.

The fact that the cats lack a quality key position forward is the only thing opposition supporters can throw at us now, and we don't even need one.

 

[iGNITER]

You're post is fundamentally invalid anyway, seeing as you can't count.

Seeing as though you cant read i never said there was 20 better KP forwards

 

[iGNITER]

The fact that the cats lack a quality key position forward is the only thing opposition supporters can throw at us now, and we don't even need one.

Well said and its totally the truth - Geelong are a ripper team and are fairly even all over the field.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Clearly I was making an exaggerated statement. But since you put me to the challenge; the following players i would rather in my forwardline than mooney: (i said forwards, not kpp, so if u criticize my statement prepare to suck it up)

Burton, Brown, Bradshaw, Fevola, Waite, Cloke, Lucas, Lloyd, Franklin, Roughead, Riewoldt, Koschitzke, Goodwin, Richo, Pavlich, B.Johnson, R.Murphy, Q.Lynch, C.Jones, B.Hall

 

[Juddernaut08]

Oh, this is one of those raucously funny polls, where the ultra-witty creator provides two options, which are essentially the same! Great work nerd

so um...which did u pick?

 

[cat_fanatic]

Clearly I was making an exaggerated statement. But since you put me to the challenge; the following players i would rather in my forwardline than mooney: (i said forwards, not kpp, so if u criticize my statement prepare to suck it up)

Burton, Brown, Bradshaw, Fevola, Waite, Cloke, Lucas, Lloyd, Franklin, Roughead, Riewoldt, Koschitzke, Goodwin, Richo, Pavlich, B.Johnson, R.Murphy, Q.Lynch, C.Jones, B.Hall

When Fevola has a bad day or is on Scarlett, Carlton lose.



When Mooney has a bad day, Geelong win by 60 instead of 75.

 

[Claude Balls]

Im not backpeddling at all - all of those players have played a KP role for their respective teams this year.
I highlighted your quote and stated that i will put the ones i would have infront of Mooney.
I never once said there were 20 better KP forwards than him.
But to answer the threads question - yes he is overrated.

Ok, please forgive my vehemence. I have come from the main board thread where I have witnessed a great deal of stupidity in relation to this topic.

I'm personally uncomfortable with Mooney's AA selection last year. I would have thought Franklin or Lucas possibly deserved it more. However do you think this is the primary reason why Mooney is being lampooned now, in light of his poor form? I mean, he has kicked 14 goals 15, which could have easily been 20/9 (or 19/10, whatever), and he has given off at least one goal a game and taken 7.4 marks on average... these are not henious figures for a key foward!! Though we could be forgiven for thinking they are, based on what we read on BigFooty...

 

[Claude Balls]

Clearly I was making an exaggerated statement. But since you put me to the challenge; the following players i would rather in my forwardline than mooney: (i said forwards, not kpp, so if u criticize my statement prepare to suck it up)

Burton, Brown, Bradshaw, Fevola, Waite, Cloke, Lucas, Lloyd, Franklin, Roughead, Riewoldt, Koschitzke, Goodwin, Richo, Pavlich, B.Johnson, R.Murphy, Q.Lynch, C.Jones, B.Hall

I never said you specified Key forwards. I just said I didn't think there were 20 better Key forwards, and then suggested you come up with a list.

Waite!!!!!! You have got to be kidding? he couldn't kick a goal if the man on the mark was sitting in the grandstand! He is rated by no one except Carlton supporters! And he was even worse than Mooney in the HOF match...

 

[iGNITER]

I'm personally uncomfortable with Mooney's AA selection last year. I would have thought Franklin or Lucas possibly deserved it more. However do you think this is the primary reason why Mooney is being lampooned now, in light of his poor form? I mean, he has kicked 14 goals 15, which could have easily been 20/9 (or 19/10, whatever), and he has given off at least one goal a game and taken 7.4 marks on average... these are not henious figures for a key foward!! Though we could be forgiven for thinking they are, based on what we read on BigFooty...

Yeah i think because of his form last year (which is debatable if he should of been AA as you said also), which was above his form so far this year he has been spoken about a fair bit.
Those figures you suggest are not terrible and yes he does setup alot of goals.
But IMO from how he is portrayed by some Geelong supporters (not saying yourself or singling out bigfooty posters) he is overrated a little.

 

[winty]

These are forwards i would take before Mooney:

J.Brown
Pavlich
Franklin
Richardson
Fevola
Cloke
Hall
Riewoldt
Koschitze
Lucas
Lloyd
B.Johnson
O'Keefe
Bradshaw
Thompson
Burton
Murphy

Typical Collingwood supporter. Claude asked if anyone could name 20 forwards they'd take before Mooney, and you only listed 17.

 

[iGNITER]

Typical Collingwood supporter. Claude asked if anyone could name 20 forwards they'd take before Mooney, and you only listed 17.

you obviously didnt read it properly - i never said i would name 20
i said forwards i would take before mooney

 

[BEEG]

Typical Collingwood supporter. Claude asked if anyone could name 20 forwards they'd take before Mooney, and you only listed 17.

Typical Geelong supporter jumping to conclusions without reading the whole thread touchy bunch

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Clearly I was making an exaggerated statement. But since you put me to the challenge; the following players i would rather in my forwardline than mooney: (i said forwards, not kpp, so if u criticize my statement prepare to suck it up)

Burton, Brown, Bradshaw, Fevola, Waite, Cloke, Lucas, Lloyd, Franklin, Roughead, Riewoldt, Koschitzke, Goodwin, Richo, Pavlich, B.Johnson, R.Murphy, Q.Lynch, C.Jones, B.Hall

Haha, C. Jones

I disagree that he is overrated, because you wouldn't see many Geelong supporters saying he is better than most of that list. Is that right?

 

[anti.]

nah cam mooney is a good player, he had a shocker of a HOF game. thats it.

i still rate him, a real livewire tall for the cats. i'd take him at west coast anyday.

everyone is just quick to sink the boot in.

 

[JUBJUB]

At some clubs he'd be the 3rd tall at best. There are at least 20 forwards better than him; yet he's rated so highly because he has so much support.

Why do you care if he's rated highly or not ?
Perhaps you should worry about your own club of corrupt cheats.

You should be thankful that Mooney didn't have a good game in the HoF.It took all the attention off Waite's pissweak game.Just how many goals did he have kicked on him ? I lost track after the first 6.

 

[Power King]

for me, is easily the most overrated player in the comp

how the ____ he beat franklin for a spot in last year's AA team is beyond me.

 

[Blueboys7]

Where is the poll option of no? You give no-one else i chance to say that he isnt over-rated. Not saying that i dont think that he is over-rated but still.