Opinion Is Our Flag Window Shut?

[Topkent]

I honestly think that West Coast team is underrated and probably tainted a bit with all their off field crap that went on.

For all the kudos that Judd and Cousin copped I always thought Daniel Kerr at his peak was such a magnificent footballer.

Cox, Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Fletcher as a starting mid alone was such a scary a tantalising prospect. They should have won more premierships with that team.

David Wirrpanda was one of my all time favourites.

Daniel Kerr is extremely underrated, perfect blend of in and out

 

[demondavey]

Have we caught on that losing Burgess post 21 has hurt us? Have a look at how Adelaide are going this year. Lots of discussion re players not being fit enough, being injured, teams killing us from half back etc.

Last year we absolutely hit a wall after round 10. It was so obvious. We just had a lack of impact that I felt the year before we would have found. We seemed to spend all our petrol tickets in the first 10 weeks.

 

[demondavey]

I honestly think that West Coast team is underrated and probably tainted a bit with all their off field crap that went on.

For all the kudos that Judd and Cousin copped I always thought Daniel Kerr at his peak was such a magnificent footballer.

Cox, Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Fletcher as a starting mid alone was such a scary and tantalising prospect. They should have won more premierships with that team.

David Wirrpanda was one of my all time favourites.

Ben Cousins is overlooked as an absolute star given his off field behaviour. We are talking Judd / Ablett levels with a bigger tank.

 

[demondavey]

Remind me, was it 1st, 2nd or 3rd that the Bulldogs finished in 2016 when going on to win the flag?

That’s an absolute outlier. They have never finished top 4 and the years proceeding 2016 they were out of the 8. They played 4 good games in 2016.

 

[demondavey]

Why? The whole post is about form at/away from the MCG.

Yes, we were playing against Essendon and they weren't playing at home either, but we weren't at the G, the place where we will play our home finals if we get them and the grand final if we make it.

Your ability to nitpick the wrong parts of the post to try and make a point is outstanding

I don’t think it matters where we play. It’s the holistic approach for a full game and the inability to offer a style that espouses pressure and intensity that concerns me most about our two losses. We’d have lost by 70 points if the accounts department paid the bill at the GABBA.

 

[demondavey]

To be honest, I'm getting a bit sick and tired of talking about the outs. Stkilda have half of their best team out and are playing with more spirit than we have shown this season, and all of last season.

I'm not sure what causes terrible efforts like against Brisbane and Essendon but it's gotta be cultural.

I tend to agree. There’ll be a day where Gawn won’t be there. Someone needs to start lifting out there. I get nothing from Viney, Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw that screams leader.

Lever should be our next skipper.

 

[demondavey]

Can't pretend like the last 19 games arent important but then still speak of us as a premiership side then. We are a middle of the road side across the course of a season almost now.




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That’s really concerning. I look at that Collingwood game last year and the way they nicely chipped the ball through us, using good foot skills to kill our zone. To get to that point a lot happens at the other end; lack of forward pressure and a lack of pressure on the opposition ball user.

I stand by my call that losing Burgess has killed our fitness.

 

[demondavey]

I suppose that’s where they went shopping for Lynch. Don’t know if we’re in a position to do anything like that now but I’d love to know if we’re looking at the free agency/trade period to bolster our list further this year preferably through the middle.

Richmond getting Lynch probably got them those flags. I don’t think we’ve done enough to address our key forward issues. It’s a lot more than that but it certainly would help.

 

[demondavey]

I'd rather the dynasty. Can you imagine how s**t AFL is gonna be in a few years once all contact is gone.

It’s shit already.

 

[demondavey]

So then I'd say you'd have to be at a minimum of the level of Lloyd to be significantly better than Hall and even he probably isn't. And Oliver and Trac aren't getting a part of a stadium named after them

Even being at the level of Matthew Richardson would be incredibly hard to replicate for any of the elite group in our team.

 

[demondavey]

 

[demondavey]

Harry Himmelberg would want to be receiving a large offer from us. Very large.

 

[The Dr]

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[demondavey]

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Couldn’t give a flying root who doesn’t like it. Starting to think some issues are relating to our fitness.

 

[Headless]

Didn't Port fall away a bit after their initial Burgo rise, too? Or am I misremembering?

 

[Johnny Karate]

Darren Burgess was a big part of our premiership and deserves a hell of a lot of credit as we clearly seemed to run out games better in 2021 than just about any other side.

However, it should be noted that we seem to be running out games fine this year and we have clearly had worse injuries in 22/23 than we would’ve had in 2021. Also as Headless pointed out, Burgess’s teams seem to be good in year 1, sensational in year 2 and fall away/start copping injuries in year 3. A lot of players interviewed attribute some of the issues we had running out games last year to exhaustion from the amount of work put in from the 2020/21 off-season. Further, I may stand to be corrected but 2021 is the only Burgess premiership (not sure with 2004).

I don’t really want to derail this thread into a back and forth about the merits of Burgess. I don’t believe our flag tilt is over because he left nor is he the fundamental reason that we won one. Also, I don’t think using Damian Barrett’s dribble column enhances the credibility of anyone involved.

 

[stEdy]

Burgo's red whistle was the only thing keeping our flag window open.

Even if Burgo's fitness thing was overrated for 2021 (it probably is to some degree) - the story of getting May up by hiding scans of his torn hamstring from him is pretty legendary stuff.

 

[pjfairbairn]

Darren Burgess was a big part of our premiership and deserves a hell of a lot of credit as we clearly seemed to run out games better in 2021 than just about any other side.

However, it should be noted that we seem to be running out games fine this year and we have clearly had worse injuries in 22/23 than we would’ve had in 2021. Also as Headless pointed out, Burgess’s teams seem to be good in year 1, sensational in year 2 and fall away/start copping injuries in year 3. A lot of players interviewed attribute some of the issues we had running out games last year to exhaustion from the amount of work put in from the 2020/21 off-season. Further, I may stand to be corrected but 2021 is the only Burgess premiership (not sure with 2004).

I don’t really want to derail this thread into a back and forth about the merits of Burgess. I don’t believe our flag tilt is over because he left nor is he the fundamental reason that we won one. Also, I don’t think using Damian Barrett’s dribble column enhances the credibility of anyone involved.

Diversionary tactics of the highest order. Says more about their own excuse-mongering than anything.

 

[Topkent]

Couldn’t give a flying root who doesn’t like it. Starting to think some issues are relating to our fitness.

Based on absolutely nothing

 

[Crusty Demon]

Couldn’t give a flying root who doesn’t like it. Starting to think some issues are relating to our fitness.

Burgess was always going to be a massive loss. Maybe a side can only maintain that level of manic pressure and fitness for a couple of seasons before it starts to fall away, but no doubt the Crows look fit and firing this season. Burgess and age demographic is why i had them in my top 8 at the start of the season. Going to be a bloody good side and their push starts now.

 

[demondavey]

To answer the thread question, it’s definitely not shut, but we need a lot of change and relaxation from the stubborn approach of our head coach to get us into a position to win this year. I expect Geelong to sort themselves out, Brisbane are cruising with an elite draw, Collingwood won’t be losing many at the G. I can’t see Essendon and St Kilda holding on to this form all year. Same with Adelaide.

It’ll be out of Geelong, Collingwood, Brisbane and Melbourne. We have a lot of really good footballers, but we need to minimise these deficiencies really quickly.

 

[Topkent]

Well I assume without Burgo we can't win because he was the sole reason behind the flag and the dropoff so we may as well pack it in.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

That's what a forums for, agreeing and disagreeing with comments.

**** you campaigner

Premierships with Burgess 1
Premershps with Selwyn 0

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Topkent]

* you campaigner

Premierships with Burgess 1
Premershps with Selwyn 0

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

Griffith was head of strength and conditioning in 21' so probably the real driver of the side meanwhile burgo was sending out media releases telling everyone how great he is

 

[Johnny Karate]

West Coast 2018 are an interesting case. They won the flag showing a lot of resilience given they did it without Naitanui, Gaff and Sheppard. Further they had to overcome a red hot Collingwood snotting the first 5 goals in the Grand Final. Their star core was Darling, Gaff, Hurn, Kennedy, McGovern, Naitanui, Ryan, Sheppard, Shuey and Yeo. In 2020, they added Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

. You would’ve been brave at the time to predict that they’d never get back there again.