Is our list really that slow?

[lunacy]

It has been said many times that our team (22) is made up of a lot of slow players. I must say I certainly agree. However our list isnt actually slow.

We have some really quick players such as;
Dangerfield
Mackay
Martin
Jaensch
Cook
Petrenko
Shaw
Jacky (not really worth mentioning)
Armstrong

Whilst these guys aren't all in our current team you can see maybe even as soon as next year we wont be such a slow side. Having said that I'd still like to draft a couple of genuine quick midfielders/small forwards.

Plus a lot of our young KPP are very quick for their size with the exception of Davis.

 

[Vader]

We'll look a lot quicker when some of the lumbering types retire and more of these speedsters come into the side.

That said, I'd make a hard-nut inside midfielder capable of winning the clearances as the priority, not another outside fleet-footed midfielder.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

That said, I'd make a hard-nut inside midfielder capable of winning the clearances as the priority, not another outside fleet-footed midfielder.

Agreed. A Sam Mitchell-type would be a godsend.

 

[Pariah]

We only look slow because of our veterans and turn overs. Ben Rutten's distinct lack of pace doesn't help either.

 

[Cap]

I think the club is looking to make Walker into an inside mid, won't be selected until he is better than Thompson or Dangerfield.

 

[KUNG FU]

For the hundredth time, Mackay isn't quick. Makes good decisions, gets in the right places, reads the play well, sure. If your criteria is "he doesn't get tackled" then OK, but he's slower than most mids.

 

[KUNG FU]

Oh and Davis actually reasonably paced for his size, ran 3.02 over 20m IIRC, he just looks laconic in his style. Walker is the slow one.

 

[iamjason]

For the hundredth time, Mackay isn't quick. Makes good decisions, gets in the right places, reads the play well, sure. If your criteria is "he doesn't get tackled" then OK, but he's slower than most mids.

Do you have any facts to back that claim up? I've watched him burn off opponents quite a few times with sheer pace. He may not be as fast as Dangerfield, but he's pretty damn fast. I'd say he appears faster than the "average" midfielder.

 

[KUNG FU]

Do you have any facts to back that claim up? I've watched him burn off opponents quite a few times with sheer pace. He may not be as fast as Dangerfield, but he's pretty damn fast. I'd say he appears faster than the "average" midfielder.

Ran 3.08 over 20m at Draft Camp, under 3.00 is usually the water mark for a pacy midfielder. You will often find players who do not have natural pace will be very good at using what little they have. He makes sure he's at full tilt and has space when he gets the ball. Smart footballer and a hard worker, not a great athlete. That's not to say his pace is a liability, he's just not a line-breaker which is what we need.

 

[amer]

We've looked slow because we've been moving the ball slowly. No ifs, ands or buts, that's all there is to it. Also Kung Fu, Mackay is unequivocally quick. To say he is slower than most mids is well off the mark. He just isn't in the very top echelon with the Daveys and Deledios of the world.

The top sides have been who, Geelong, St Kilda, the Hawks a little while back; compared to the 22 we're fielding at present, their best kit has been slower across the park than us. Neil Craig is absolutely spot on with this, it's all about skill level, speed of ball movement, not to mention strong bodies conducive to winning contested ball. Pace is nice to have (and we don't lack it), but history says it's anything but a flag prerequisite.

 

[amer]

Ran 3.08 over 20m at Draft Camp, under 3.00 is usually the water mark for a pacy midfielder. You will often find players who do not have natural pace will be very good at using what little they have. He makes sure he's at full tilt and has space when he gets the ball. Smart footballer and a hard worker, not a great athlete. That's not to say his pace is a liability, he's just not a line-breaker which is what we need.

Internally he has recorded sub-3 second times.

 

[amer]

Agreed. A Sam Mitchell-type would be a godsend.

We've got what I would consider a better winner of hard ball developing in Dangerfield, but yes. Development time into Sloane and another picked up in this year's draft would be ideal.

 

[CROW36]

Oh and Davis actually reasonably paced for his size, ran 3.02 over 20m IIRC, he just looks laconic in his style. Walker is the slow one.

Davis also has a very quick thinking footy brain, has polish and there seems to be a calmness about him, where Walker plays on instinct which is not a bad thing but he needs to learn how to be defensive when you doesn't have the ball.

 

[KUNG FU]

Internally he has recorded sub-3 second times.

Are you able to back this claim up?

 

[WALL-e]

My understanding is MacKay has gotten quicker since being drafted.

But you'd want to be running below 2.98 to be called 'quick'

 

[Vader]

Whether he's really quick or not, he's one of very few Crows players who has shown a willingness to carry the ball through the middle of the ground this year. Dangermouse and McLeod are the only other players I can remember doing this in 2010.

 

[KUNG FU]

Whether he's really quick or not, he's one of very few Crows players who has shown a willingness to carry the ball through the middle of the ground this year. Dangermouse and McLeod are the only other players I can remember doing this in 2010.

Absolutely. A player who can run and carry does not always mean he is pacy. Its a misconception and misleading to represent it otherwise. Mackay knows how to run the ball and skip the zone, but he doesn't have the kind of dangerous pace that can be relied on like a release valve either. I do believe that Mackay has been an important inclusion in the side in terms of bringing something different to the table and I oft repeat my very early call that he is Brownlow Medal material.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Yes our list is slow. Guys we call 'quick' are just average pace when compared to other clubs. Seriously some players in our team look like they're moving in slow motion. If you're slow you need to have a quick brain (ie. Bryce Gibbs). We need to inject some much needed EXPRESS pace into our side (ie. Davey bros, Neon Leon etc.). Our midfield/forward line lacks flair/creativity. We need something that will spark our side. We need more guys to take the game on and lift the crowd a bit.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The club has recruited pace over the last couple of drafts

Dangerfield, Cook, Mackay, Shaw, Petrenko, Armstrong .....

Our core midfield group is slowish with the exception of Vince .....Thompson and Reilly are passable .....Goodwin & Edwards slow the midfield down BUT injuries have forced those two back into the midfield

The midfield AP is average at best ......adding Dangerfield, Mackay & Sloane back into the midfield changes the speed and dynamics enormously

I do agree though we need another player with genuine leg speed .......particularly off HB but also thru the midfield ......Harbrow for the Bulldogs showed last Friday the value of speed off the HB line in terms of breaking down the opposition zone

Macleod used to be that player .....but AP he's not breaking lines as we need ......hopefully Armstrong can be that player

 

[dplggr47]

For the hundredth time, Mackay isn't quick. Makes good decisions, gets in the right places, reads the play well, sure. If your criteria is "he doesn't get tackled" then OK, but he's slower than most mids.

i'd say he's fairly quick... all of the above, and he provides run from defence. seems quicker than Otten, who also provides run from defense, but Otten seems more classy evasive type than outrunning an opponent quick.

Cook is very fast, but his disposal is shocking!!! so sometimes it's pointless.

i've never seen Armstrong use his pace (though he hasn't played many games for Crows)...is he really that quick?

i'd say Dangerfield and Cook are our only REALLY QUICK players...

 

[crowralph]

really, struggling with speed????? take the best 6 of any team, replace them with the 25th through 31. then make 4 of the 25-31 unavailable, gee its getting hard, isn't it. clowns, get a life.

 

[amer]

Petrenko has electric pace, but we've rarely seen it.

 

[Crow-mo]

really, struggling with speed????? take the best 6 of any team, replace them with the 25th through 31. then make 4 of the 25-31 unavailable, gee its getting hard, isn't it. clowns, get a life.

which best 6 are these?
which 25-31 are these?

 

[lunacy]

Ran 3.08 over 20m at Draft Camp, under 3.00 is usually the water mark for a pacy midfielder. You will often find players who do not have natural pace will be very good at using what little they have. He makes sure he's at full tilt and has space when he gets the ball. Smart footballer and a hard worker, not a great athlete. That's not to say his pace is a liability, he's just not a line-breaker which is what we need.

You cant take a one of test as evidence over what we actually see week in week out with our own eyes. Could have had a bad day at draft camp. Could have lost traction as he took off in the test. Could have been going at 90% (might have been slightly injured). Cannot look at a one off running test.