Is Pride more important than good draft picks ?

[Kane McGoodwin]

i cant see how beating the PAPS twice a year could be seen as building a winning culture??


IMO the PAPS can beat us twice a year, if it meant we'd win all our other games...2 games doesnt make a season, and IMO it doesnt help build a winning culture. Winning consistently against all 15 clubs is how i would be going about re-establishing a winning culture at West Lakes...

Perhaps if you read carefully what I said 1st you wouldn't be so confused. I said winning against Port Adelaide as a key PART of building a susccessful winning culture (given our problems beating them in the past). The other parts obviously involve all the other opposition clubs. As I said before, I hate losing, be it Port or any other team. ie. Pride & winning is far more important than draft picks.

 

[Tyson20]

... Pride & winning is far more important than draft picks.

well we definitely agree there!

but IMO, the key part of a winning culture, is winning, and it doesnt matter who its against!

but i understand what u were getting at...

 

[Stiffy_18]

Nothing to do with respect - just hate to lose to you guys.

Also, I have a wager going on the combined result of the 2 showdowns this year is an added incentive.

Kane can you do me a favour????? Can you please take Mitch's wife to the footy on sunday?????? My shout

 

[Crow-mosone]

Yes, I did say that. But show me where I ever said the players should try to lose the game.

The players should give everything they have to win, BUT IT WILL BE BETTER FOR YOU IF THEY LOSE. That's the last time I will say it, your lack of neurons not withstanding.

this is pure semantics... and utterly meaningless.

well done.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Bugger me blind, here comes another one!!

Of course there is a contradiction. That is the point. It is the central contradiction of the draft system that while clubs at any position on the ladder should always give 100% to win, for clubs near the bottom, it is not in their best interests to do so.

so after all your convoluted double speak, all you're saying is you advocate tanking?

thanks for enlightening us all.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I think its a blight on our game that people can even consider wanting to lose a match for a long term gain. How is this the best and fairest sytem for both the players and supporters.
I have heard some people suggest that the bottom 8 should be put in a lotto to decide the trade positions for next year. This way the thought of deliberately losing games would become non exsistant.

 

[tribey]

I think its a blight on our game that people can even consider wanting to lose a match for a long term gain.

I see nothing wrong with blooding youngsters and fringe players - and telling them to have a red hot go - if it means potentially losing a meaningless match and gaining a better draft order, while simultaneously sending the odd senior player to surgery a week or two early and hastening the development of lesser players.

I have heard some people suggest that the bottom 8 should be put in a lotto to decide the trade positions for next year. This way the thought of deliberately losing games would become non exsistant.

The NBA-system would be the most favourable - you'll hear no argument from almost anyone on this board should this system be implemented.

 

[Stiffy_18]

The NBA-system would be the most favourable - you'll hear no argument from almost anyone on this board should this system be implemented.

Amen brother.

NBA type lottery system would be the best way to go and no one would complain and you would also have to get rid off the priority picks. They are an absolute joke.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I see nothing wrong with blooding youngsters and fringe players - and telling them to have a red hot go - if it means potentially losing a meaningless match and gaining a better draft order, while simultaneously sending the odd senior player to surgery a week or two early and hastening the development of lesser players.



The NBA-system would be the most favourable - you'll hear no argument from almost anyone on this board should this system be implemented.

Im not saying so much thats the crows are wrong for considering it all Im saying is that it is blight on our game that this can happen were teams can under perform and get an advantage from it. Its like match fixing, I know they are not deliberating losing or anything like that but they are not putting their best team out of the field with the sole intention to win.

 

[Crow-mosone]

for mine:

I'd have the no lottery in the main draft. I'd have a PSD lottery to stop manipulation of the trade period, and priority picks should be at the end of the first round.

I wouldn't complain about a lottery for the main draft, but if the other measures are taken I see less need for it.

 

[ClintEastwood]

all you're saying is you advocate tanking?

Is it? Hmmm. Is that really what I said. Well bugger me.

thanks for enlightening us all.

I doubt you personally would be enlightened even if Buddha himself were to sing the sutras to you in Sanskrit.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Is it? Hmmm. Is that really what I said. Well bugger me.

I doubt you personally would be enlightened even if Buddha himself were to sing the sutras to you in Sanskrit.

oooh spiritual as well as intellectually superior, now there's a contradiction.
I am not worthy.

you sir, are a moron.

 

[arrowman]

I also seem to remember a story similar to the old Kerley/McKay/Viska chestnut that Mark Mickan was asked which 17yo we should take, McGregor or Pavlich, and the inaugural Gold Jacket winner advocated the former.

Benefit of hindsight, I think we've done OK. We have one of the better CHBs in the competition and a major gap filled in our team. Not saying McGregor > Pavlich in the most general sense, but I think it's been a good result for us, in the context of our list.

 

[WhoMe?]

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[Cap]

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is it to early to ban this one ?

{Ans: a warning has been sent}

 

[ClintEastwood]

oooh spiritual as well as intellectually superior, now there's a contradiction.
I am not worthy.

you sir, are a moron.

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[gundy]

oooh spiritual as well as intellectually superior, now there's a contradiction.

What is the contradiction between being both spiritually and intellectually superior?

 

[Crow-mosone]

What is the contradiction between being both spiritually and intellectually superior?

if you think you're superior, that hardly a good spiritual foundation.

Spiritualism is not a contest, despite what our buddhist friend here thinks.

 

[Crow-mosone]

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I was hoping for some more star trek.

 

[macca23]

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What's Micky Malthouse September 2002 got to do with this??