Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Chief]

Continued in Part IV

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack IV - UN Report: Israel is an Apartheid state. Probable Case of Genocide

Continued from Part III https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack-iii.1381570/ Original Post, October 7, 2023: Israel declares state of war In response to the attacks, which appear to have caught the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) by surprise, Israel has...

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[SaintsSeptember]

But a Muslim living in Israel would be treated better than a Jew in most Islamic nations right?

The ones in Syria and Iraq didn't do well.

 

[Mitcham VIC 3132]

But a Muslim living in Israel would be treated better than a Jew in most Islamic nations right?

Again:

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No.

In countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Morrocco, they don't have any citizenship laws which have the same effect as Israel's laws about Jews (i.e. right of return).

For example, in Israel, you can naturalise or become a citizen if you're Jewish, without renouncing your other nationality.
If you're non-Jewish, you have to renounce your other nationality. This renouncement is similar for most countries, but doesn't have a carve-out for religious people.

Even when the Arabs tried to become citizens of Israel after the establishment, it was made nearly impossible and 90% of them were knocked back.

East Jerusalem is officially part of Israel (according to Israel) since their Six Year War when they invaded, but the Arabs who live there have to apply for citizenship with strict controls they don't meet. So their land was acquired, but they don't get to vote because they weren't granted citizenship.

Israel has a ban on Jews marrying non-Jews, like a lot of Muslim countries ban the same for Muslims.

There's practically little difference between Israel and Muslim countries' laws except the exceptions Israel grants to Jews and the restrictions they have on non-jews.

Also, Israel doesn't build bunkers in Arab towns and neighbourhoods or provide the same level of services. They basically treat them the way the Apartheid Sth African Govt treated their Black Settlements.

‘They just see you as an Arab’: Israel’s Palestinian citizens given cursory protection from attack

Deaths of four family members sheltering in supposed ‘safe rooms’ in Tamra highlight racial inequality of Israel’s defence of its citizens

www.theguardian.com

South Africa had official apartheid policies. I don't think Israel do.
Whether or not its "effectively " apartheid , is a different story.
Israel is probably more like Malaysia where they find ways to create second class ( chinese ) and third class ( Indian ) citizens.

Allegations of apartheid by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jello_B]

I feel that if Israel was truly the genocidal Jewish ethnostate that is claimed, we wouldn’t have 1 in 5 people residing there being Muslim.

Many Jews stayed in Nazi Germany. Some even fought on the side of the nazis.

 

[Mitcham VIC 3132]

South Africa had official apartheid policies. I don't think Israel do.
Whether or not its "effectively " apartheid , is a different story.
Israel is probably more like Malaysia where they find ways to create second class ( chinese ) and third class ( Indian ) citizens.

Allegations of apartheid by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Malaysia is brown Muslims treating other brown people horribly. I'm sure it all makes sense to Shoebridge and JS-J and Mather.

 

[Saint]

South Africa had official apartheid policies. I don't think Israel do.
Whether or not its "effectively " apartheid , is a different story.
Israel is probably more like Malaysia where they find ways to create second class ( chinese ) and third class ( Indian ) citizens.

Allegations of apartheid by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But they do have the same discriminatory laws. In a country with 20% arabic speakers, and historic arabic speakers, Hebrew is the official language for citizenship, Govt etc. You can have been born in Israel 80 years ago, but if you haven't learnt Hebrew, a new language to the area, after your birth and not spoken in your town, you can't be a citizen.

Many Jewish citizens live abroad and vote in Israeli elections. Non-Jews can't do that.

They have community laws where if a family wants to move into a community, the local community can vote yes or no to their admission. Guess who gets said "no" to the most, and guess why they even bothered to create that law.

And this doesn't even include the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, with exiled people from Israel living in statelessness. (One of the laws Israel created was that if you left Israel, even if forced out at gunpoint, you could never return as a citizen).

 

[Number37]

I’m just drawing attention to the asymmetry between Israel and its adversaries. I mean in simple terms if we’re trying to establish which nations are truly evil and motivated by race hate, these things should mean something to you.

Genocide is not relative to how evil you are compared to anyone.
Neither is ethnic cleansing.

You are making excuses for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
You are in effect saying there is an excuse for genocide or ethnic cleansing.

 

[Saint]

Genocide is not relative to how evil you are compared to anyone.
Neither is ethnic cleansing.

You are making excuses for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
You are in effect saying there is an excuse for genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Yes, by this logic, Australia's allowed to ethnically cleanse Indonesia and PNG because they're not democratic enough.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Had some friends recently holiday in Turkey, they quite liked it.

Have only ever heard good things about people who have visited Turkey.

Sounds like an amazing place to visit.

Come to think of it have had mates visit UAE, Jordan, Israel, Saudi, Qatar, Oman etc also.

Haven't heard anyone ever say anything bad about the ME. But i suppose that's very much linked to what you want to do, IE if your thing is getting on the piss and partying, its probably not your thing except probably Israel.

 

[schneebly111]

Israeli “Defence” Minister admitting they’re going to target Iranian civilians:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tehran-residents-will-pay-price-for-iranian-attacks-on-civilians-katz-threatens/

Are they sure the “good guys”?

 

[Aussie in exile]

Israeli “Defence” Minister admitting they’re going to target Iranian civilians:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tehran-residents-will-pay-price-for-iranian-attacks-on-civilians-katz-threatens/

Are they sure the “good guys”?

I look forward to the right wing media condeming this, but I might have to wait a long time.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Malaysia is brown Muslims treating other brown people horribly. I'm sure it all makes sense to Shoebridge and JS-J and Mather.

Skin colour notwithstanding.
Malaysia is the government introducing rules to ensure the large number of Chinese don't end up running all the businesses at the expense of the Malay's, or buying up all the land.
The Indian population are decedents of plantation workers often from a poor socioeconomic background. Basically they don't get any of the benefits designed to give the Malay's a leg up, even if their family has been in Malaysia 1000 years.

Its very common for a Chinese run business to have a Malay partner who does literally nothing towards running the business.

 

[Number37]

Yes, by this logic, Australia's allowed to ethnically cleanse Indonesia and PNG because they're not democratic enough.

A precondition of democracy is the rule of law.
Engaging in things like genocide and ethnic cleansing disqualifies you as a democracy because those things subvert the rule of law.

 

[QuietB]

A precondition of democracy is the rule of law.
Engaging in things like genocide and ethnic cleansing disqualifies you as a democracy because those things subvert the rule of law.

The Executive having the power to overrule the judiciary is the complete opposite of democracy.

There is no democracy in Israel. Zero.

 

[QuietB]

What can we do about all these crazy old men trying to end the world before they go out. Netanyahu is 75, Trump 79, Ali Khamenei is 84, Putin is 72. Can't we just round all these campaigners up and put them in an Australian aged care home where they are certain to be ignored and forgotten?

 

[Mitcham VIC 3132]

What can we do about all these crazy old men trying to end the world before they go out. Netanyahu is 75, Trump 79, Ali Khamenei is 84, Putin is 72. Can't we just round all these campaigners up and put them in an Australian aged care home where they are certain to be ignored and forgotten?

Thanks to Petrov in 1983, i exist today. Anyone else would have followed the Soviet gerontocracy's protocol (look at Chernobyl cover-up attempt)

 

[Chief]

What can we do about all these crazy old men trying to end the world before they go out.

They have wanted this all their lives. Anything to feed their own power.

 

[ElectricG]

If you think Israel is less bound by race hate than the surrounding nations, you're not listening to Israeli Government statements or reading the Israeli media.

I do. Being a Jew in other ME nations means being harassed and intimidated to the point that life is basically intolerable.

 

[Green Hammer]

Up until recent history, we have had the longest period of relative peace in human history. But nah, lets go back to the age of empires & conquests because its cool.

Russia vs Ukraine,
Israel vs Iran,
Pakistan vs India,
China vs the world
North Korea, who cares!

Tell the iraqiis , tell the Vietnamese , tell the koreans tell panama , tell yugoslavs tell the indonesians the east timorese tell the libyans tell the syrians tell the afgans tell the congo , bazil argentina venezuela, HOW FING PEACEFUL IT WAS

 

[Mitcham VIC 3132]

I do. Being a Jew in other ME nations means being harassed and intimidated to the point that life is basically intolerable.

And the latter will happen to non-Muslims (and the "wrong type" of Muslims) in the future state of Palestine.

(that's if it does not do a Somalia or a Libya)

 

[Green Hammer]

I do. Being a Jew in other ME nations means being harassed and intimidated to the point that life is basically intolerable.

Israeli military HQ located right under hospital in Tel Aviv.

Have our news reported this use of civilian locations as a shield for military facilities?

 

[Green Hammer]

And the latter will happen to non-Muslims (and the "wrong type" of Muslims) in the future state of Palestine.

(that's if it does not do a Somalia or a Libya)

the zionazis cant last

 

[Mitcham VIC 3132]

Treaties and conventions also apply only to states and state actors (which the PLO and Hamas are not. The WB and Gaza have also not been part of a sovereign state since the fall of the Ottomans)

 

[Green Hammer]

been 3 hours now - they sense Iran might launch a massive attack

I wish the Palestinians could have bomb shelters to go to !!!

 

[Mitcham VIC 3132]

I wish the Palestinians could have bomb shelters to go to !!!

They were built for Hamas not its slaves.