Ivan Maric

[CaptainDangerfield]

Ivan the (not so) Terrible will be a big part of our plans next year. With Clarkey retiring, Biggles and Huddo is our ruck division, with Ivan at first drop. This makes him very valuable. Add to that if some had their way here Biggles would be traded - makes Ivan even more valuable. Add to this Liam Meesen has only committed for 1 more year.....and Evarrn's stocks go through the roof.

Drago is very important to our plans..........but send us Gibbs and we will confer......

If that does happen in 07 you can just about say goodbye to Maric or Meesen or both.

 

[Macca19]

I dont see any similarity between Pearce and Mcleod. I dont think Pearce will ever get to that level but I think he could make All Australian one day.

 

[Macca19]

Also needs to put on a lot more weight.. He looks like he will get snapped. Port look like they're going to be well prepared in the future.

Someones gotta catch him first!

I think the days where everyone needs to be big and well built are gone. Theres plenty of slight players out there. Pearce has put on a heap of muscle since he got drafted. I wouldnt want him to put on much more weight.

 

[Mad Dog]

If that does happen in 07 you can just about say goodbye to Maric or Meesen or both.

So what is your solution Springy ?

 

[Wood_Duck]

I can already come up with 2 areas that McLeod has always had it and always will have it on Pearce. Thats depth of kicking and being genuinely dual sided. Pearce is very one sided.

Based on those 2 aspects of his game he will never be the next McLeod but should be a very good player in his own right.

I just hate it when people label a youngster as the next so and so when in reality they are not very similar players.

Agree. Clint Bizzel was the next Gary Ablett, remember?

 

[Mad Dog]

I dont see any similarity between Pearce and Mcleod. I dont think Pearce will ever get to that level but I think he could make All Australian one day.

I don't see any similarity between Pearce and McLeod in terms of their style or role - but I do think Pearce will be a genuine star. He has genuine ball-carrying ability, good pace, and is a goal hog (not to the detriment of the team). It's yet to be seen if he is in the same class - but he reminds me a bit of a 18-21 year old Tony McGuiness, and a bit of Akka......
One opportunity for development for him could be that he seems to have the Simon Tregenza bouncing style....

 

[GoSarge]

a port magpie?
he's been assigned to you, after we drafted him.

oh, and he's yours. just send Adam Thompson this way.

Not so silly considering Port's number of young kids and the fact they need a third ruckman.

Our need for midfielders to replace Roo, Goody etc would make this deal reasonably close to the mark I reckon.

 

[noddy]

I can already come up with 2 areas that McLeod has always had it and always will have it on Pearce. Thats depth of kicking and being genuinely dual sided. Pearce is very one sided.

Based on those 2 aspects of his game he will never be the next McLeod but should be a very good player in his own right.

I just hate it when people label a youngster as the next so and so when in reality they are not very similar players.

Exactly, Pearce has heaps of pace & natural ability but to label him as the next McLeod is very unfair to the kid.

Mind you the Port people do have a habit of tagging any promising junior that bobs up as the next so & so mainly to impress their current supporters but also to attract new ones, can we blame them ?


Would i trade Maric for Pearce, i think i would.

 

[GoSarge]

Hehe, I thought Cam Faulkner was the next Mcleod ? How many people can be the next Mcleod ?

I like Pearce, but we'll see how he goes before we put any labels on him.

 

[Portmanteau]

Faulkner obviously didn't win the Rising Star. So that's one thing that separates them. That doesn't guarantee any progression for Pearce, but it gives him more than a fighting chance you would think.

I think Shaun Burgoyne is more similar to McLeod (and Judd) than Pearce. Can't really come up with a comparison for Danyle, the reason he gets away with what he does at his size is because he is possibly the quickest player in the AFL. So for that reason there aren't a great deal of similar players.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

Faulkner obviously didn't win the Rising Star. So that's one thing that separates them. That doesn't guarantee any progression for Pearce, but it gives him more than a fighting chance you would think.

I think Shaun Burgoyne is more similar to McLeod (and Judd) than Pearce. Can't really come up with a comparison for Danyle, the reason he gets away with what he does at his size is because he is possibly the quickest player in the AFL. So for that reason there aren't a great deal of similar players.

Winning (or not winning) the Rising Star medal won't make Pearce or Faulkner any better or worse footballers. They're going to be what they're going to be.

As for a comparison to Pearce .... well, Davey seems a fairly obvious one (though he doesn't spend much time in the midfield). Similar speed and enthusiasm, though.

 

[KUNG FU]

I don't mind the new generation at Port so much. Much better than Pickett, Cornes etc. Still hate the club, cos its Port, but you can't hate the players just cos they got picked up by the Evil Empire.

I'm a bit worried about whats going to happen with Ivan and Meese next year.

 

[Portmanteau]

Winning (or not winning) the Rising Star medal won't make Pearce or Faulkner any better or worse footballers. They're going to be what they're going to be.

Of course, but there is a clear difference in the facts. Faulkner was compared to McLeod before he debuted, Pearce has been given such a comparison in respect of his performances (i.e. Rising Star, and I agree with what you say, but surely it can be used as an indicator of the relative quality of both players).

As for a comparison to Pearce .... well, Davey seems a fairly obvious one (though he doesn't spend much time in the midfield). Similar speed and enthusiasm, though.

Well that's the obvious one, but yeah as you said, Davey is a half forward. Whereas Pearce starts in the centre square and plays almost the entire game in the midfield.

As far as Maric is concerned, he (along with say Big Willy Minson) is the kind of guy I'd love to have around when Lade and Brogan give it away. Realistically though, the cross-town trade is never much of an option, and we'd be paying over the odds versus attempting to pluck a similar player out of the draft.

 

[Macca19]

Overrating players is a natural thing to do. Everyone wants their kids to be superstars and get excited when they see most of them play, regardless of the facts that only a small percentage of draftees each year turn into long term players.

Every club also compares players with other players. This board included. Its also a natural thing to do. When you dont get to see the Under 18s play too often and come draft day you get 3-5 new players, you want to know who they are, how do they play and quite often who you can compare them to.

The problem is that when people say 'Player X plays like Player Y', or 'Player X was recruited to take over Player Y's position', a lot of people often take it to mean 'Player X will be as good as Player Y'.

 

[AJ_No.4]

I dont see any similarity between Pearce and Mcleod. I dont think Pearce will ever get to that level but I think he could make All Australian one day.

Well if Joel Bowden can make it 2 years in a row anyone can...............

 

[RogerRabbit69]

Of course, but there is a clear difference in the facts. Faulkner was compared to McLeod before he debuted, Pearce has been given such a comparison in respect of his performances (i.e. Rising Star, and I agree with what you say, but surely it can be used as an indicator of the relative quality of both players).

Bresh, I wasn't trying to discredit Pearce for one second. I reckon he's a terrific young player ... and obviously miles ahead of Faulkner. If he progresses as expected and puts a bit of polish on his skills, he'll be one of the elite players of the comp.

 

[Sanguinarius]

Yeah right. He just won the Rising Star award. Another gun that slipped through our fingers.

I never said he was bad I said he was over-rated. and he is.

 

[crowmad23]

, Pearce has been given such a comparison in respect of his performances (i.e. Rising Star, and I agree with what you say, but surely it can be used as an indicator of the relative quality of both players).


When did Mcleod win the rising star.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

So what is your solution Springy ?

1st Ruck: Hudson
2nd Ruck: Maric or Meesen.

I think the dirty dancer should only be used to cover injuries.

If M & M only get limited gametime next year then we can kiss both, or definately, one goodbye. I have a hunch that's why they only signed 1 year contracts, testing the water. So do you pesist with the limited abilities of an average ruckman in Biglands or take a step back and give a possible future champion young ruckman gametime.

Tough call for the AFC. Meesen and Maric are the future, Biglands isn't. Don't get me wrong old Biggles has a big heart and tries his guts out but he will only ever be just an average ruckman.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Pearce is the next Mcleod.

Turn it up. Pearce is a promising young player, but he won't come close to being in McLeod's league.

 

[KUNG FU]

1st Ruck: Hudson
2nd Ruck: Maric or Meesen.

I think the dirty dancer should only be used to cover injuries.

If M & M only get limited gametime next year then we can kiss both, or definately, one goodbye. I have a hunch that's why they only signed 1 year contracts, testing the water. So do you pesist with the limited abilities of an average ruckman in Biglands or take a step back and give a possible future champion young ruckman gametime.

Tough call for the AFC. Meesen and Maric are the future, Biglands isn't. Don't get me wrong old Biggles has a big heart and tries his guts out but he will only ever be just an average ruckman.

I totally agree.

Although after last Saturday, I'm not opposed to the idea of playing Biglands almost solely in the forward lines. (Yes, I realise that sounds very fickle, basing it on one game)

 

[Mong]

Not so silly considering Port's number of young kids and the fact they need a third ruckman.

Our need for midfielders to replace Roo, Goody etc would make this deal reasonably close to the mark I reckon.

I generally agree with everything you say but in this instance I cannot agree. Unless I've misunderstood your post. Port would love that trade, but it doesn't really serve our needs.

Surely our need for one up and coming ruckman is far greater than our need for one additional midfielder. Our young midfield stocks might not be overflowing but we have a good group and they seem easier to find than quality ruckmen. Thomson, even if he turns out to be better than Maric, is not as important to our future needs, in my opinion.

 

[Mong]

I totally agree.

Although after last Saturday, I'm not opposed to the idea of playing Biglands almost solely in the forward lines. (Yes, I realise that sounds very fickle, basing it on one game)

He's looked good up there for more than just the one game. He's spent sporadic periods up forward and he has actually looked pretty good on just about all occasions. until now the problem I've seen with playing him up there is that there is too much competition for him and he's not going to replace Hentschel, McGregor, Perrie, Bock or whoever. So if he's a forward, he probably doesn't get a game. But with Hentschel now out for the long term it actually might be a more of a viable possibility, although you'd still think he'd be behind Perrie, McGregor and Bock. But McG or Bock could well spend next year in defence.

In my opinion it's something we should try early next season. Then at least we'll know.

 

[Crow-mo]

Of course, but there is a clear difference in the facts. Faulkner was compared to McLeod before he debuted,

that's one the great myth's going around these days.

John Reid never suggested he was the next Andrew Mcleod. when pressed to comment, he stated words to the effect that there was a little of the Andrew McLeod's about this boy, might be a decent prospect.

he then traded completely out of the first 2 rounds of that draft.

 

[KUNG FU]

He's looked good up there for more than just the one game. He's spent sporadic periods up forward and he has actually looked pretty good on just about all occasions. until now the problem I've seen with playing him up there is that there is too much competition for him and he's not going to replace Hentschel, McGregor, Perrie, Bock or whoever. So if he's a forward, he probably doesn't get a game. But with Hentschel now out for the long term it actually might be a more of a viable possibility, although you'd still think he'd be behind Perrie, McGregor and Bock. But McG or Bock could well spend next year in defence.

In my opinion it's something we should try early next season. Then at least we'll know.

Yeah, that true. Until that game I strongly argued that he should only be a pinch hitter, but he looked really comfortable up there on the weekend and I mistook him for Welsh on two occassions cos I didn't believe the big fella could be that agile.