Recommitted Jacob Hopper [re-signed]

[HeHateMe]

Is this still the Hopper thread?

Saints fans. They have an invested interest in how we go this year, if we do well enough it affects there trade currency. Hawks list will be thrown around most these threads for that reason unfortunately.

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[Ichabod Noodle]

Where theres smoke theres fire.

Not when you're just using a cheap smoke machine there's not.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Not when you're just using a cheap smoke machine there's not.

So there was be fire if it was an expensive smoke machine?

 

[Roadto2018]

Obviously a long way to go and neither may happen but hypothetically what would Giants fans expect in return for Hopper and Whitfield to saints?
Likely to have two top 10 picks and the 2018 first at our disposal, perhaps a first this year and next year and a 2nd? Perhaps both top 10s this year? (provided Hathorn's pick isn't top 3 which it probably won't be)

 

[coniglio_number1]

Obviously a long way to go and neither may happen but hypothetically what would Giants fans expect in return for Hopper and Whitfield to saints?
Likely to have two top 10 picks and the 2018 first at our disposal, perhaps a first this year and next year and a 2nd? Perhaps both top 10s this year? (provided Hathorn's pick isn't top 3 which it probably won't be)

2 top 10 picks with a 2018 second.

Whitfield is a former number 1 that has shown to be a gun and is contracted.

Hopper is a star as a teenager in a contending team

 

[Roadto2018]

2 top 10 picks with a 2018 second.

Whitfield is a former number 1 that has shown to be a gun and is contracted.

Hopper is a star as a teenager in a contending team

Yeah that's probably fair, at the end of the day don't think we'd get anyone with better potential than those two in the draft this year.

 

[aussierulesrules]

2 top 10 picks with a 2018 second.

Whitfield is a former number 1 that has shown to be a gun and is contracted.

That's over the top I believe, two top 10's plus a 2nd, in what looks like a really strong draft, based on what Whitfield has shown so far in particular (that he is good, but no Kelly).

He may have gone pick 1, but we all know that's only because JOM was taken out of that draft pool, and based on how Brad Crouch went against senior opposition in the year he would have been drafted, he could have easily enough been taken ahead of Lachie as well, had he gone into that draft as per usual.

In the "re-do the 2012 draft" thread you don't see anyone with Lachie at no. 1, or from memory anywhere near it, and plenty have him as low as 12, so unless he really ups his game by the end of the year, I'd say what looks like it might be one top 6 or so pick and another top 10 ought to be plenty.

The contracted thing won't really come into it, because lets be honest, you'll probably only be trading him if you need to free up his salary to sign someone like Kelly and maybe others, so we'd partly be doing you a favour there.

 

[coniglio_number1]

That's over the top I believe, two top 10's plus a 2nd, in what looks like a really strong draft, based on what Whitfield has shown so far in particular (that he is good, but no Kelly).

He may have gone pick 1, but we all know that's only because JOM was taken out of that draft pool, and based on how Brad Crouch went against senior opposition in the year he would have been drafted, he could have easily enough been taken ahead of Lachie as well, had he gone into that draft as per usual.

In the "re-do the 2012 draft" thread you don't see anyone with Lachie at no. 1, or from memory anywhere near it, and plenty have him as low as 12, so unless he really ups his game by the end of the year, I'd say what looks like it might be one top 6 or so pick and another top 10 ought to be plenty.

The contracted thing won't really come into it, because lets be honest, you'll probably only be trading him if you need to free up his salary to sign someone like Kelly and maybe others, so we'd partly be doing you a favour there.

Fact is that's my opinion and you have your own but we already freed up a lot of cap space by releasing a host of second/third contract players last year and bringing in a bunch of minimum wage players.

I don't think 2 top 10s and a second is too much for players the caliber of Whitfield and hopper.

If you can't afford a pair of ferraris then you don't demand the dealership to bring them down to your price level

 

[aussierulesrules]

Fact is that's my opinion and you have your own but we already freed up a lot of cap space by releasing a host of second/third contract players last year and bringing in a bunch of minimum wage players.

I don't think 2 top 10s and a second is too much for players the caliber of Whitfield and hopper.

If you can't afford a pair of ferraris then you don't demand the dealership to bring them down to your price level

Like you said, it's just your opinion, you don't own the dealership or even work there, so I'm pretty sure you're not setting the prices and based on what he's produced so far, I would argue that Lachie may not even quite be a Ferrari.

4th year last year and yet he still only averaged 20 disposals, despite the fact he's been pretty much ready to go from the outset thanks to his big tank and has a killer midfield to get the ball to him.

Two top 10's is IMO heaps for a couple of guys who you're still largely taking on potential.

 

[Colonial]

so we'd partly be doing you a favour there.

I love how taking a star from us at below cost is doing us a favour lol

We are already under cap and list size.

Im afraid our "super sales" are over.

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[aussierulesrules]

I love how taking a star from us at below cost is doing us a favour lol

We are already under cap and list size.

Im afraid our "super sales" are over.

Below what cost, the cost that someone who barracks for his team reckons he's worth? Because they never overrate their own? And is he a "star", averaging 20 disposals a game?

The similarly aged Brad Hill went for pick 20-odd last year and he arguably has more runs on the board than Lachie and they play a very similar role.

As for your final points, if that is in fact the case then it won't even matter, because you won't be trading him, surely.

So you would think this whole scenario is based on what he would be worth in a trade if you do in fact need to free up some cap space.

Something that probably neither you or I are likely to be fully aware of.

I don't see why we'd be chasing him like we supposedly are if we didn't believe that it was very likely that you would or could be.

 

[Colonial]

Below what cost, the cost that someone who barracks for his team reckons he's worth? Because they never overrate their own? And is he a "star", averaging 20 disposals a game?

The similarly aged Brad Hill went for pick 20-odd last year and he arguably has more runs in the board than Lachie and they play a very similar role.

As for your final points, if that is in fact the case then it won't even matter, because you won't be trading him, surely.

So you would think this whole scenario is based on what he would be worth in a trade if you do in fact need to free up some cap space.

Something that probably neither you or I are likely to be fully aware of.

I don't see why we'd be chasing him like we supposedly are if we didn't believe that it was very likely that you would be.

As opposed to the someone who undervalues him for trade due to his club having to pay it?

We may trade him. But it wont be for less due to any favours.

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[Pykie]

Below what cost, the cost that someone who barracks for his team reckons he's worth? Because they never overrate their own? And is he a "star", averaging 20 disposals a game?

The similarly aged Brad Hill went for pick 20-odd last year and he arguably has more runs on the board than Lachie and they play a very similar role.

As for your final points, if that is in fact the case then it won't even matter, because you won't be trading him, surely.

So you would think this whole scenario is based on what he would be worth in a trade if you do in fact need to free up some cap space.

Something that probably neither you or I are likely to be fully aware of.

I don't see why we'd be chasing him like we supposedly are if we didn't believe that it was very likely that you would or could be.

Hopper was a top 10 draft pick 2 years ago and looks every bit a top 10 pick at the moment, he may even win the Rising Star.

I'd say he's worth something around pick 7-14 on the open market.

What would you want for Billings? Hopper is already better and 2 years younger.

Whitfield would be worth slightly more than Hopper, given he's contracted, he's probably worth something similar to Dion Prestia. a firm top 10 pick.

 

[SickQwon]

The first rounder we get from Adelaide for Gibbs, on-traded to GWS for Hopper.

 

[boncer34]

The first rounder we get from Adelaide for Gibbs, on-traded to GWS for Hopper.

Not a hope

 

[Bazza97]

He's definitely in high demand no doubt about that. Think Carlton or St Kilda would be the most likely destinations if Hopper is traded. Can see Essendon and North Melbourne in the running as well. Carlton I'm sure will be desperate to get him, with Murphy and Gibbs getting older, Hopper and Cripps together as the two inside beasts could work a treat for them. Improving the midfield depth and quality is probably one of their bigger priorities right now especially targeting younger midfielders in particular.

 

[Baird]

The first rounder we get from Adelaide for Gibbs, on-traded to GWS for Hopper.

Carlton's first this year is closer to Hopper's value than Adelaide's first. I thought Carlton we're interested in Schache anyway?

 

[JG22]

The two first rounders for Hopper and Whitfield would seem around the mark of mine.

Unlikely that would happen as if one goes then the money is freed up. So Kelly leaving would also be detremental to a deal being done.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The two first rounders for Hopper and Whitfield would seem around the mark of mine.

Unlikely that would happen as if one goes then the money is freed up. So Kelly leaving would also be detremental to a deal being done.

I can't see them trading whitfield (who is contracted) if kelly goes as they are similar type of players.

 

[foj1]

Like you said, it's just your opinion, you don't own the dealership or even work there, so I'm pretty sure you're not setting the prices and based on what he's produced so far, I would argue that Lachie may not even quite be a Ferrari.

4th year last year and yet he still only averaged 20 disposals, despite the fact he's been pretty much ready to go from the outset thanks to his big tank and has a killer midfield to get the ball to him.

Two top 10's is IMO heaps for a couple of guys who you're still largely taking on potential.

Typical st kinda covet an opposition clubs player but then does not believe in giving market value.
Eg jake Carlisle
If you could get those two boys for both your first rounders you would be foolish not to take it gleefully- both can play

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Can't see hopper whitfield and Kelly all leaving, and I'd suspect Kelly out of the 3 is most likely to go.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The first rounder we get from Adelaide for Gibbs, on-traded to GWS for Hopper.

Only if we finish bottom otherwise not a chance with the way the Crows are looking

 

[Sinjin Smith]

The first rounder we get from Adelaide for Gibbs, on-traded to GWS for Hopper.

Would be a dream however we will need to pony up more than that. There will be a few clubs chasing him.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Carlton's first this year is closer to Hopper's value than Adelaide's first. I thought Carlton we're interested in Schache anyway?

That rumour seems to have come from somewhere outside of Carlton and the only reliable (I know no one is truly in the know and fully reliable) poster to comment for us says carlton aren't at all interested in schache and that we're looking at mids

 

[Baird]

That rumour seems to have come from somewhere outside of Carlton and the only reliable (I know no one is truly in the know and fully reliable) poster to comment for us says carlton aren't at all interested in schache and that we're looking at mids

That's good for Carlton because I read that the offer was 5 x 700k.