Jaeger Bomb

[silverscope]

I dunno that does sound like a good deal. I'd take it if it was on the table at the end of the season.

 

[TroyUgle]

G'day all, new to BF and this thread caught my eye to register.

I was thinking does our NSW scholarship Craig Moller be a valid trade under the rules ?i think he's GWS ruck now as much as I'd want him in purple and be our next generation ruckman, he might want to stay in Sydney? Sheeds will have plenty of mids to choose from, maybe not rucks so might consider a trade for Jaeger? both kids stay in home states and both clubs get what they want?
edit: and keep Palmer.

As remiss of me as it is to jump on the Freo board to welcome a new member - I'd like you all to make More of Bito welcome.

The muppet is my best mate, despite the woeful decision of his to support Freo, but I'm stuck with him now and can't get rid of him.

I told him BF was a place where he could fell free to indulge his passions for all things purple without the pressure to conform of deleteland.


See you for beers on Aus day champ!

 

[E Shed]

Good for you Troy. Nice that a couple of mates can keep it civilised despite being mortal enemies in the footy dept.
And welcome more of Bito. Shame we won't be seeing exactly that this year!

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

As remiss of me as it is to jump on the Freo board to welcome a new member - I'd like you all to make More of Bito welcome.

The muppet is my best mate, despite the woeful decision of his to support Freo, but I'm stuck with him now and can't get rid of him.

I told him BF was a place where he could fell free to indulge his passions for all things purple without the pressure to conform of deleteland.


See you for beers on Aus day champ!

Aye..more purple welcome...!

 

[theGav56]

Think Essendon gave us 3 mature players for our pick at the best 17 year olds and they took Lloyd
Think it will work the same way with us giving GWS ex players for their selection of the best 17 year olds
Imagine we would have to give up something special for this kid
Other clubs would be in the equation for him so we would have to do better than their offers as well

It worked a little differently than this for us I think. First deal done got the first pick etc.

 

[theGav56]

Unless we get it on some sort of special deal like we did Faulks and Mzungu. Not saying they're the same prospect as this kid, but you never know.

I may be reading this whole thing incorrectly, but I thought he is not old enough for the draft, so that kind of deal cannot happen. It is an opportunity to draft an underage player.

 

[Lach72]

I may be reading this whole thing incorrectly, but I thought he is not old enough for the draft, so that kind of deal cannot happen. It is an opportunity to draft an underage player.

I think you're right...it gives clubs access to underagers, as in Matthew Lloyd

 

[Clay Davis]

I may be reading this whole thing incorrectly, but I thought he is not old enough for the draft, so that kind of deal cannot happen. It is an opportunity to draft an underage player.

My point is that it seemed to be a rather kind deal that favoured us when we got Mzungu, and that perhaps there's a level of professionalism at the club now that will allow us to snare good players cheaply, in contrast to how the club operated in previous years.

 

[Freo Dr]

G'day all, new to BF and this thread caught my eye to register.

I was thinking does our NSW scholarship Craig Moller be a valid trade under the rules ?i think he's GWS ruck now as much as I'd want him in purple and be our next generation ruckman, he might want to stay in Sydney? Sheeds will have plenty of mids to choose from, maybe not rucks so might consider a trade for Jaeger? both kids stay in home states and both clubs get what they want?
edit: and keep Palmer.

Think this would not be allowed since the deal is to try and entice established players at other clubs (which they will need some of) to go to Sydney in return for access to underage players. Swapping as above (underage for underage) I don't think qualifies.

Also with Moller I have a nasty suspicion the AFL/GWS may be able to forcibly take him off us as a zone selection in return for a 'compensation pick' if they choose. Others might be able to confirm this.

Jaeger sounds like a real talent, getting either ahead of the other clubs will require giving up a player/players of quality - none of whom we would 'like' to part with ideally. Will also depend on GWS needs.

 

[hedgehog]

Also with Moller I have a nasty suspicion the AFL/GWS may be able to forcibly take him off us as a zone selection in return for a 'compensation pick' if they choose. Others might be able to confirm this.

Discussed at length here, here and here.

The general consensus is, there's nothing official from the AFL but according to reasonable football sources such as Emma Quayle ("yep clubs can keep their existing players but its been wound up and replaced by the new academy that Roos is gonna work with" - emmasq twitter), clubs will keep their existing scholarship players but cannot sign new ones. Whether it stays that way remains to be seen. Moller seems committed to Fremantle and his family admire the proffesionalism of Lloyd (hence why they chose Fremantle over a number of other teams) according to posters who've been to training sessions.

 

[Nickos66]

Get Jaeger at all costs, sell the farm.. Well a portion of it.

Oh and.. retain Moller by any means neccesary at the same time.

 

[dominguez]

The AFL must think that GWS will be less appealing to un-contracted players than GC so have come up with this scenario to get clubs to trade contracted players.

Assuming Jaeger has the ability to go top 5 in the draft the following year it will probably take someone of the calibre of Mayne, Suban, Roberton or Ibbotson to get a deal done.

 

[chinggis77]

The AFL must think that GWS will be less appealing to un-contracted players than GC so have come up with this scenario to get clubs to trade contracted players.

Assuming Jaeger has the ability to go top 5 in the draft the following year it will probably take someone of the calibre of Mayne, Suban, Roberton or Ibbotson to get a deal done.

I have no doubt that Kep will be part of the deal. 25-26 yo this year and a long-time favourite/pet project of Sheeds. I even recall Sheeds saying that Essendon will regret getting rid of Kep. Kep seems most likely to be pushed aside this year with Griffin/Clarke moving ahead. Unless he transforms into a CHB or something I think his cards will be marked.

I think Crowley will drop out of favour also this year and be put up for trade.

Best case scenario for us then is a Kepler Bradley, Ryan Crowley for Jaeger trade.

However if Rhys Palmer shows no significant improvement in his skills, and given our emphasis on skills, I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade in Rhys plus Kep for a highly skilled, fast, elite mid in Jaeger also.

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

My point is that it seemed to be a rather kind deal that favoured us when we got Mzungu, and that perhaps there's a level of professionalism at the club now that will allow us to snare good players cheaply, in contrast to how the club operated in previous years.

Dean Solomon is there...so that helps too...

 

[salim malik]

I have no doubt that Kep will be part of the deal. 25-26 yo this year and a long-time favourite/pet project of Sheeds. I even recall Sheeds saying that Essendon will regret getting rid of Kep. Kep seems most likely to be pushed aside this year with Griffin/Clarke moving ahead. Unless he transforms into a CHB or something I think his cards will be marked.

I think Crowley will drop out of favour also this year and be put up for trade.

Best case scenario for us then is a Kepler Bradley, Ryan Crowley for Jaeger trade.

However if Rhys Palmer shows no significant improvement in his skills, and given our emphasis on skills, I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade in Rhys plus Kep for a highly skilled, fast, elite mid in Jaeger also.

What is your reasoning on Crowley dropping out of favour
and the continuing criticism of Palmers skills is perpetuated by those who havent seen his training this year

 

[theGav56]

What is your reasoning on Crowley dropping out of favour
and the continuing criticism of Palmers skills is perpetuated by those who havent seen his training this year

You are very sensitive about Palmer. Skills in a training situation are not the same as in a game. Until Palmer has shown that his skills have improved in match day situations it will be a question mark over him. A chink in a pretty good set of armour.

 

[newlander77]

You are very sensitive about Palmer. Skills in a training situation are not the same as in a game. Until Palmer has shown that his skills have improved in match day situations it will be a question mark over him. A chink in a pretty good set of armour.

I think you're very wrong there Gav. The training sessions have been setup to emulate match conditions as best they can. After each goal is scored they have to each sprint to the sidelines around a pole, then sprint back out to the field to set up again. They look physically spent, and full pressure is being applied. Salim is right on the money, he has improved out of sight.

 

[theGav56]

I think you're very wrong there Gav. The training sessions have been setup to emulate match conditions as best they can. After each goal is scored they have to each sprint to the sidelines around a pole, then sprint back out to the field to set up again. They look physically spent, and full pressure is being applied. Salim is right on the money, he has improved out of sight.

Yes the reports seem to indicate that for sure. If Palmers skills have improved he will be tagged by someone of the ilk of Crowley or MacPhee. has that been happening?

 

[newlander77]

Yes the reports seem to indicate that for sure. If Palmers skills have improved he will be tagged by someone of the ilk of Crowley or MacPhee. has that been happening?

No he hasn't been tagged by either one of them Gav. Maybe you should ring Mark Harvey and suggest that to him? While you're at it, do you have any suggestions for Michael Clarke on how he might improve his batting?

Crowley has been running laps. He has probs with his glutes (I heard him tell a trainer this). McPhee has been training as a forward recently.

 

[theGav56]

No he hasn't been tagged by either one of them Gav. Maybe you should ring Mark Harvey and suggest that to him? While you're at it, do you have any suggestions for Michael Clarke on how he might improve his batting?

Crowley has been running laps. He has probs with his glutes (I heard him tell a trainer this). McPhee has been training as a forward recently.

Mate, if you think sprinting to the sidelines is simulating match conditions, then good luck. If Palmer skill level improves, which I am also pretty sure it will, then he has the potential to become elite, and the level of attention he will get will amp right up, specifically so that his new found skill level will be tested and put under pressure. A huge factor in his favour is he is unlikely to be our number 1 target as it became in his debut season.

 

[newlander77]

Mate, if you think sprinting to the sidelines is simulating match conditions, then good luck. If Palmer skill level improves, which I am also pretty sure it will, then he has the potential to become elite, and the level of attention he will get will amp right up, specifically so that his new found skill level will be tested and put under pressure. A huge factor in his favour is he is unlikely to be our number 1 target as it became in his debut season.

You clearly know more about training and conditioning than the training staff, why don't you grab your can of VB and head down there and give them a hand?

What's wrong with giving someone credit when it's due? His work thus far has been outstanding. He's worked his arse off since he did his knee, and just now that he's starting to see the improvement that we've all wanted to see from him, keyboard warriors like yourself who have never witnessed any of this are ever so quick to take shots at the guy.

 

[Clay Davis]

Simulating match conditions isn't the same as match conditions.

 

[newlander77]

Simulating match conditions isn't the same as match conditions.

You're right it isn't, but that wont stop me from stirring a certain someone.

 

[chinggis77]

What is your reasoning on Crowley dropping out of favour
and the continuing criticism of Palmers skills is perpetuated by those who havent seen his training this year

It says more about the depth coming through and the focus of the coaching group on elite skills. Crowley is probably one of our worst for disposal and is often also guilty of simply chucking it on the boot without looking for a target. There's probably only room for one of Deboer and Crowley IMO. I know who I would prefer.

Put Palmer in West Coast and you're right - criticism is probably unwarranted. Put him around Hill, Pav, Barlow, Mundy, Suban and the emerging Crichton and co and he's the worst kick of the lot. Besides - we can't expect to give up crap to get a future gun midfielder. We can only hope that Sheeds does!!

 

[E Shed]

Had a yarn today up in Gero with a bloke who played for the Sharks, works for Sport & Rec up here. He's coached plenty of boys who have gone on to AFL like Brad Dick & Ryder & reckons Jaeger is the best he's ever seen. Said Freo should do whatever it takes.