James Aish

[mattymac]

Don't let facts and current form get in the way of pie in the sky potential

I find it amusing that you're willing to discount multiple seasons of exposed form in the SANFL and AFL in favour of focusing on 8 weeks of form where he is clearly in a poisonous professional environment because he wants to switch employers and his employer is playing silly buggers with him and dropping in him in and out of the side and deliberately exposing him to a media circus. Would love to see how you would perform at your job in a similar circumstance under similar scrutiny as a 19 year old.

Clearly the 8 weeks of shitty form in a poisonous environment is more indicative of his future career than the previous years where he's been amongst the best of his peers...

 

[Bicks]

according to half of this board, his price is worth about a 2nd rounder because he's slow. i wonder what hidden jet we can get for that instead!

It doesn't just come down to what we have to give up to land him, be it draft pick/picks or player/players, there is also what is his REALISTIC salary per annum and over what period of time??

$250 - $300k would be about where I see him currently...

 

[Elite Crow]

I can no longer tell when the pre season, season and post season are, it's like they all have merged into one.

Page 87 on Aish and its May.

And I know how the next 87 pages will go, some want him and some don't, no going back and forth is going to have any impact on whether we get him.

For the record I want him, those that don't, they smell.

 

[Bosley]

I find it amusing that you're willing to discount multiple seasons of exposed form in the SANFL and AFL in favour of focusing on 8 weeks of form where he is clearly in a poisonous professional environment because he wants to switch employers and his employer is playing silly buggers with him and dropping in him in and out of the side and deliberately exposing him to a media circus. Would love to see how you would perform at your job in a similar circumstance under similar scrutiny as a 19 year old.

Clearly the 8 weeks of shitty form in a poisonous environment is more indicative of his future career than the previous years where he's been amongst the best of his peers...

I find it amusing how he is so staunchly defended by posters on this board, yet current AFC players who have played 100+ or 200+ games get their papers stamped every week for playing better games than Mr Aish currently is.

I don't really care if we recruit him or not. If and when he becomes a Crow I will support him, but he is only devaluing himself the way he is playing ... isn't that motivation enough for him to pull his finger out?

If he can't handle the media scrutiny in Brisbane then he definitely shouldn't be coming to Adelaide!

 

[Mattrox]

So you are picking selective stats from his good times and ignoring his current output. What's his average over all games he was available for? How many has he missed through non selection?
What's his efficiency in the past two years?

Second year blues.

 

[FantasticShirt]

I want to get Aish simply so we can say we got Aish.

Even more so if it's on the back of signing all of Douglas, Sloane, Walker & Dangerfield.

 

[hey shorty]

For mine its all about the price we pay. He was selected at 7, and IMO hasnt enhanced his value so far, whilst not decreasing it either.

If we had a pick inside the top 10 I wouldn't be giving it up, anywhere from 12 onwards and id take the chance. Id prefer to trade a 2nd and Jenkins....... but im sure the Lions wouldn't be too pleased.

If they continue to leave him on the fringe it works in our favour. As a player I see him as a guy with no obvious weakness whilst not having any outstanding qualities. Players with no real weaknesses are more than welcome here !!!!

 

[headache1]

I find it amusing how he is so staunchly defended by posters on this board, yet current AFC players who have played 100+ or 200+ games get their papers stamped every week for playing better games than Mr Aish currently is.

I don't really care if we recruit him or not. If and when he becomes a Crow I will support him, but he is only devaluing himself the way he is playing ... isn't that motivation enough for him to pull his finger out?

If he can't handle the media scrutiny in Brisbane then he definitely shouldn't be coming to Adelaide!

If Aish routinely turned out performances like the one he did last week, and had played 100-200 games, you'd have a point.

He was quite good against Port the week before that, but I guess you're only as good as your last game.

 

[Bosley]

As a player I see him as a guy with no obvious weakness whilst not having any outstanding qualities. Players with no real weaknesses are more than welcome here !!!!

Agree. His only weaknesses based on the weekend's game appear to be getting the ball, disposing of the ball effectively and tackling without giving away a free kick. He would fit in well at AFC

 

[Bosley]

If Aish routinely turned out performances like the one he did last week, and had played 100-200 games, you'd have a point.

He was quite good against Port the week before that, but I guess you're only as good as your last game.

I know he can play well, being a Norwood supporter. I did want the Crows to draft him originally. Just playing devil's advocate here.

 

[Golumless]

I find it amusing how he is so staunchly defended by posters on this board, yet current AFC players who have played 100+ or 200+ games get their papers stamped every week for playing better games than Mr Aish currently is.

Generally that's the case with youth, you accept worse performances when they are in the 0-50 game range because they have that scope to improve.

If a 100 gamer has that kind of games as the norm, well he isn't worth persisting with as he has hit his theoretical ceiling, i.e. he's peaked. (there are examples of players that have been late bloomers though, but, you know... we're a fickle bunch )

 

[headache1]

I know he can play well, being a Norwood supporter. I did want the Crows to draft him originally. Just playing devil's advocate here.

I don't want to sell the farm for him, but he'd definitely improve our side. Watched a lot of him last year, and for a rookie, he was pretty damned impressive.

 

[baldandbroke]

I don't want to sell the farm for him, but he'd definitely improve our side. Watched a lot of him last year, and for a rookie, he was pretty damned impressive.

Agreed 100%.

I don't think he should attract a price or contract that over-rates him ... but would love to see him in AFC colours. If you are going to take a risk on a 3rd year player - I see no reason not to give Aish the benefit of the doubt.

If we give up a first round pick for him, I'd be surprised.

 

[DoubleBlue2]

Second year blues.

First year 'not really spectacular' spike?

 

[DoubleBlue2]

I want to get Aish simply so we can say we got Aish.

Even more so if it's on the back of signing all of Douglas, Sloane, Walker & Dangerfield.

If all happened it would be a big win, unfortunately I think one will discount the other.

 

[DoubleBlue2]

Is playing "cautious football" #stitchedup ;-)

Not funny!
Because if we HAVE come to an 'agreement' the non argument about Betts becomes stronger.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We knew defense was going to be a weakness. We had 2 good smalls and Talia. Hartigan was supposed to be a KPD. picked up Kelly. Still no tough medium defenders, trade for Cheney. Draft Lever, may be a KPD later but is genuine 3rd tall as he develops.

Kelly comes on quickly and Cheney produces the goods. Neither are 3rd Talls.... both tough as nails and are asked to do really tough jobs.

Hartigan needs to develop or he will be depth indefinitely.

Do we hang out until Lever fills out or get a KPD?

I think we are developing good options in defense. A choice of defenders is a good problem to have.

This recruiting is in the shadow of Shaw being perennially injured and Otten have 2 ACL ruptures.

The slow inside mids arise out of drafting best available talent. Apart from Crouch who was targeted.

Despite all that I'm happy with long term prospects of pur defence

I'm not happy re having a slow midfield and getting smashed by waves of quick gws mids and not happy about our lack of a key forward and second ruck to support tex

 

[Bring back Bas]

Lever's value is that he'll take a punt and go for the intercept mark. In two games already he shown that he's prepared to fake a handball or run between players.
This lad will give us drive and an X factor back there and the more confident he becomes the better our rebounding will be. There is a cost to that enthusiasm. While he's taking a risk, his man can sneak out the back or get away on a long lead. Lever isn't going to be the closet checking defender in our team. I'm sure I've commented on that aspect of his game before. He needs to learn that balance, if he gets burnt too much Walsh will remind him.
This is why I think we need a big lock down defender like Rutten, who does the disciplined things. Plays man on man on his opponent and allows Lever that licence to roam a touch.
Hartigan could be the answer (Just don't give him the ball)but right now he's bereft of confidence and Walsh isn't playing him. Cheney is under sized .A big bodied player to me is a must to complete our defensive spine.
We have a lot of deficiencies in our team and forward is just as important. A big KPP fwd or back should be on our shopping list but the good ones or potentially good are normally picks in the first round. Hogan, Riewoldt, Wright,Boyd,Patton,Durdin.
We need to keep that pick!
Sure we can trade for a fringe player that's tall but how many teams are in the market for them, and in demand players don't look at Adelaide first?

As you also stated an outside mid is also a requirement. I'm refining that to an outside mid with above average speed and an elite leg (don't mention Aish as IMO he nowhere near fits that description) and they don't come cheap either.

Lever's eventual worth to the team will be as that third tall. I would hate to see he's creative flair reined in by playing a key position I don't think utilises his strengths.

I disagree. There are plenty of players out there who can play unaccountable football. I think Lever's strength, and why he is rated so highly is because of hi his ability to attack whilst keeping his opponent quiet.

It would be a shame to not utilise Lever's creative flair and it would be just as big a shame to not utilise his defensive ability. That is why he could develop into the perfect second defender. He complements Talia as Bock did Rutten.

It would be overkill to use our first round draft pick to draft/trade for another KPD. Potentially we already have two high quality defenders therefore we do not need another one. We should use our early picks on KPF or mids and possibly try our luck with some late picks for that 3rd tall defender. Between a few late picks and a couple of failed forwards we will probably unearth something.

 

[Bonkers000]

they prove he can goddam play football ffs.



**sigh** what a ridiculous line of questions for which you know have no answers.

let me summarise...

person who doesn't like aish : he's average. he's been dropped. he's slow. i watched him on fox footy on a saturday night once because i was bored and he stunk it up. do not want unless he came for a bag of chips and matthew smith. we only want him because of his name. i wouldn't even give up BFs own hero jarred lyons for him.

person who likes aish : oh I've actually seen him play in the flesh. for many years. he hates playing in brisbane. he had an excellent rookie year albeit in a rubbish side. he wants to come home. i think we should trade for him because we need some actual players with fricken football smarts who use the ball well. i wonder what it would cost to get him. probably a bit, but let's pursue it.

person who doesn't like aish : he might not be any good. i think we should stick with our C grade guns that are currently getting the job done. show me some stats to prove he can play football and will be better than our stars like wright and VB and mackay and lyons.

person who likes aish : gives stats.

person who doesn't like aish : stats are useless!

have you been following the draftees for this year? Can you tell me whether our first round pick, if it were used in the draft, would be better or worse than aish? I can't.. I don't know how much currency a draft pick holds as it changes every year. So excuse my hesitation when not wanting to trade away our first round for a guy whose played well for one year or top grade football.

 

[Rear Admiral]

We do need KPP's, but geez, after the glimpses that GWS showed through their midfield on Saturday, we really need some elite level pace and skill through there. That quick, clean ball movement hitting players running in waves at top speed was just scary. We're going to need players in the middle that can counteract that. If we can't do that, it won't matter what KPPs we have on the field.

While we do need Key Position Players, absolutely, it's our God-awful kicking and blistering snail-pace through the Middle - that's what's killing us. A couple of quality, strong, talls is not our main Achilles Heel at the moment. Not by a million miles. We can't run & carry and kick with any precision when we've got it, nor can we chase opponents when we cough it up.

 

[LC40]

I disagree. There are plenty of players out there who can play unaccountable football. I think Lever's strength, and why he is rated so highly is because of hi his ability to attack whilst keeping his opponent quiet.

It would be a shame to not utilise Lever's creative flair and it would be just as big a shame to not utilise his defensive ability. That is why he could develop into the perfect second defender. He complements Talia as Bock did Rutten.

It would be overkill to use our first round draft pick to draft/trade for another KPD. Potentially we already have two high quality defenders therefore we do not need another one. We should use our early picks on KPF or mids and possibly try our luck with some late picks for that 3rd tall defender. Between a few late picks and a couple of failed forwards we will probably unearth something.

"We have a lot of deficiencies in our team and forward is just as important. A big KPP fwd or back should be on our shopping list but the good ones or potentially good are normally picks in the first round. Hogan, Riewoldt, Wright,Boyd,Patton,Durdin.
We need to keep that pick!

As you also stated an outside mid is also a requirement. I'm refining that to an outside mid with above average speed and an elite leg (don't mention Aish as IMO he nowhere near fits that description) and they don't come cheap either.

 

[MRB37]

I want to get Aish simply so we can say we got Aish.

Even more so if it's on the back of signing all of Douglas, Sloane, Walker & Dangerfield.

I think it's part of it for me too.

If we do lose Danger then I say all those knocks on him become irrelevant and we need to get him to restock the midfield.

 

[RePete]

To get the best outside speed player or a KPP prospect like Lever you want to keep that pick 12.

I meant best AVAILABLE outside speed player or KPD. Surely you could have worked that out.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think it comes down to danger ... If danger stays we need a KP (forward or back or someone that can do both eg Carlisle ) and if danger leaves we should go for the KP and aish

Need to limit the danger loss if he does go .... If we get our players back we should win enough games that he stays as long as we win a final.... That's our goal , make finals win one and build to 2016 then go bang in 2017 ... 3 quality players short currently , 1.in each segment of the ground

 

[LC40]

I meant best AVAILABLE outside speed player or KPD. Surely you could have worked that out.

I gave a short answer to a post. I'm not a mind reader, sorry I didn't interpret, "Draft best outside speed or KPD prospect with 21" as you intended. Didn't over analyse it that much.
Now you've pointed it out, I have worked out what you meant....AVAILABLE.... point taken.