Injury Jamie Elliot out Indefinitely with Pars Defect

[Gone Critical]

To put in plain English (in my limited understanding) most hammie recurrences occur when one does too much too soon. Odds of a soft-tissue injury recurrence increase with each episode, and get shorter when a player hits the 30s.

Perhaps the club simply needs to lift its game. In England they've changed the rehab protocol to extend beyond simple stretching and strengthening to good effect:

"...This should focus on agility, trunk stabilization, neuromuscular control and eccentric exercises. The effectiveness of such a programme was demonstrated in a recent study which compared it to a basic hamstring stretch and strengthening programme. Re-injury rates in the comprehensive programme were 0% at 2 week and 7.7% at 1 year, while the stretch and strengthening group were 54% at 2 weeks and 70% at 1 year.."

http://www.thephysiocompany.com/blog/michael-owen-and-the-curse-of-his-recurring-hamstring-injuries

P.S: And hell yeah we keep Elliot on our list and work hard until we get him right, or we are 120% sure he'll never be.

Sorry to be a questioner so often but this is difficult to trust. First it's a promotional article written by a physio pushing their own practice. They don't give any details or information about the study they quote so it can be identified and checked. The most questionable thing though is the 54% injury rate at 2 weeks and 70% at 1 year in the basic group. They are bizarre numbers. What were they doing with hamstring injuries to allow a 54% reinjury at 2 weeks. Just that number alone would suggest the group didn't know what they were doing. Unless they can come up with some reasonable explanation for those figures their whole study should be in doubt.

 

[jathanas]

Sorry to be a questioner so often but this is difficult to trust. First it's a promotional article written by a physio pushing their own practice. They don't give any details or information about the study they quote so it can be identified and checked. The most questionable thing though is the 54% injury rate at 2 weeks and 70% at 1 year in the basic group. They are bizarre numbers. What were they doing with hamstring injuries to allow a 54% reinjury at 2 weeks. Just that number alone would suggest the group didn't know what they were doing. Unless they can come up with some reasonable explanation for those figures their whole study should be in doubt.

No apology needed GC, you don't have to tread lightly around this flower.

What you say makes sense. I was also apprehensive about the lack of reference to the study but posted it based on my own experience (I know, N = 1).

I have had my own demons with hammies and shoulders. Most practitioners will offer some strengthening/rehab program as part of injury management but the efficacy of each program varies greatly. This is not to say that Collingwood doesn't already have the best available, but the evidence points to us having some scope for improvement.

 

[Gone Critical]

No apology needed GC, you don't have to tread lightly around this flower.

What you say makes sense. I was also apprehensive about the lack of reference to the study but posted it based on my own experience (I know, N = 1).

I have had my own demons with hammies and shoulders. Most practitioners will offer some strengthening/rehab program as part of injury management but the efficacy of each program varies greatly. This is not to say that Collingwood doesn't already have the best available, but the evidence points to us having some scope for improvement.

You have succincted the whole debate with a sentence.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Humans.

All these frailties.

Coupled with intact science.
Coupled with a bash and crash high level contact sport...

Ofcourse injuries will happen, whilst we can always improve, unfortunately it’s just not a perfect world with perfect bodies that can withstand the rigours.

I’d suggest those suspect bodies will be more prone than the sturdy types.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Humans.
..............................
I’d suggest those suspect bodies will be more prone than the sturdy types.

Maybe the best policy is to trade for ready made players from other clubs rather than from the draft, players who have proven their sturdiness over several years in the AFL system, rather than those who come apart at the seams shortly after they are drafted.

 

[No SPIN]

to those in know eg Royal Sampler etc.

There has been an evolving focus on using Functional Movement Screening in other sports as means of preventing injury by identifying functional weakness in athletes and then correcting same by specific training programs.

Do you know whether AFL clubs are using this approach?

 

[Run n Spread]

Season indefinite or Jordan DeGooey indefinite?

 

[Seedsman_]

Has anyone come across any information regarding which level of the spine Elliott sustained the pars defect? It could give us a clue as to why it may be happening.

 

[Bad Horse]

Humans.

All these frailties.

.

I think the evidence is in my fellow horse.

less humans more horses.

I'm waiting for dekkas call.

 

[Horaceg]

Are people legit in here wanting to delist Jamie? Seriously what the **** is wrong with you clowns?
The guy is a deadset gun, i'd happily keep an injured Elliot on our list for a couple of years in the chance we will get him back to his best.

He’s a gun any talk of getting rid of him is laughable

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I think the evidence is in my fellow horse.

less humans more horses.

I'm waiting for dekkas call.

But do you prefer an old gelding or a young colt,
Or a stout Sier?

 

[Bad Horse]

But do you prefer an old gelding or a young colt,
Or a stout Sier?

as long as there are no ponies

 

[Chameleon75]

as long as there are no ponies

You’re a rabid anti-ponite!

 

[Adz]

Elliott doesn’t know how bad it is. Doesn’t appear as if club has done anything with it this week.

 

[JB1975]

Elliott doesn’t know how bad it is. Doesn’t appear as if club has done anything with it this week.

Are you saying that Elliott isn't aware of his hamstring? The message of hamstring awareness evidently has a way to go.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that his hamstring was scanned this week, so not too sure what other action you're hoping for at this point.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

You’re a rabid anti-ponite!

Brilliant

And our anti dentite went down the path to breaking bad.

 

[TradeDraft]

Only be getting 1 Year Deals you think now to end of his Career

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Only be getting 1 Year Deals you think now to end of his Career

Or even two years with built in clauses

 

[jmac70]

Are you saying that Elliott isn't aware of his hamstring? The message of hamstring awareness evidently has a way to go.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that his hamstring was scanned this week, so not too sure what other action you're hoping for at this point.

Amputation.

 

[Adz]

Only be getting 1 Year Deals you think now to end of his Career

10 game per season contract

 

[JB1975]

Amputation.

That's one way to approach a recurring hamstring complaint, might stretch out his time on the sidelines though...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Jaime is a special talent.
On that you can take chances.

And it’s unlikely he’s costing a fortune either.

If he was healthy he’s elite level.

 

[Bad Horse]

You’re a rabid anti-ponite!

I know we have entered a world of "feelings", of "trigger warnings", of an infected and cleansed discourse, but I feel there is still a place for speaking the Plain Honest Truth unflinchingly and with a decorous amount of spittle and it isn't only the Society Religion and Politics board or News Limited publications. I know freedom of speech isn't fashionable in these PC or "Pony Correct" days, but if we do not defend our freedoms we deserve to lose them, and so I stand, somewhat unsteadily and smelling of gin, and proclaim, with albeit a rather shouty voice, my magnum octopus. Or something like that.

Yes, I am anti-pony. But what true citizen could fail to stand against this menace, which capers in false-cute likeness of childlike succour, and yet would rend your abdomen and garotte you with your own intestines and laugh , yes laugh, all the while. The pony. It hungers. It always hungers.

Well may we spout our call to freedom, and the benefits of free speech even when it comes to the menace that capers about in human viscera in a fashion more horrific than our Taylor Adams kicking. Well may we talk about the "Marketplace of ideas", and point out that if I am free to speak Truth on the pony menace, so those who might, howsoever mistakenly, advocate for pony inclusion or "safe stables" should be given their turn. Let the market decide.

I am normally a libertarian, and believe in the marketplace of ideas. But here the market has failed. I'm not just talking about the local market on the corner near the BP station that refuses to carry Lemon and Paeora in spite of my tersely worded notes and has frankly totalitarian viewpoints regarding pants. I'm talking about the national market, the great unconscious 2 dollar store of the Australian soul. That marketplace has not defied ponies. That market has put ponies on special, and has displayed them prominently on the checkout rack next to the gum of our besieged humanity and our weighty consciences in the form of magazine stories about Brad Pitt killing a Girl Scout with his bare hands and whoever is ****ing the person who finished seventh in the latest Masterchef.

And so I say, this is no time for such niceties. In order to save freedom, I have to destroy it. Market failure calls for government intervention. I ask you all, beseech you, to join with me to beg our elected so-called leaders to help us rise up against this scourge and all those who would support this fifth column of vile horror in our midst. The threat is manifest. The time for action is now. You are with us or against us - and if you are against us, you are with THEM, and their keening neighs, and the hooves, and the horror, always the horror, a horror no sugarcubes will wash away.

And then we can start on the ****ing Belgians...

Hang on, was that mic still on? ****...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I know we have entered a world of "feelings", of "trigger warnings", of an infected and cleansed discourse, but I feel there is still a place for speaking the Plain Honest Truth unflinchingly and with a decorous amount of spittle and it isn't only the Society Religion and Politics board or News Limited publications. I know freedom of speech isn't fashionable in these PC or "Pony Correct" days, but if we do not defend our freedoms we deserve to lose them, and so I stand, somewhat unsteadily and smelling of gin, and proclaim, with albeit a rather shouty voice, my magnum octopus. Or something like that.

Yes, I am anti-pony. But what true citizen could fail to stand against this menace, which capers in false-cute likeness of childlike succour, and yet would rend your abdomen and garotte you with your own intestines and laugh , yes laugh, all the while. The pony. It hungers. It always hungers.

Well may we spout our call to freedom, and the benefits of free speech even when it comes to the menace that capers about in human viscera in a fashion more horrific than our Taylor Adams kicking. Well may we talk about the "Marketplace of ideas", and point out that if I am free to speak Truth on the pony menace, so those who might, howsoever mistakenly, advocate for pony inclusion or "safe stables" should be given their turn. Let the market decide.

I am normally a libertarian, and believe in the marketplace of ideas. But here the market has failed. I'm not just talking about the local market on the corner near the BP station that refuses to carry Lemon and Paeora in spite of my tersely worded notes and has frankly totalitarian viewpoints regarding pants. I'm talking about the national market, the great unconscious 2 dollar store of the Australian soul. That marketplace has not defied ponies. That market has put ponies on special, and has displayed them prominently on the checkout rack next to the gum of our besieged humanity and our weighty consciences in the form of magazine stories about Brad Pitt killing a Girl Scout with his bare hands and whoever is ******* the person who finished seventh in the latest Masterchef.

And so I say, this is no time for such niceties. In order to save freedom, I have to destroy it. Market failure calls for government intervention. I ask you all, beseech you, to join with me to beg our elected so-called leaders to help us rise up against this scourge and all those who would support this fifth column of vile horror in our midst. The threat is manifest. The time for action is now. You are with us or against us - and if you are against us, you are with THEM, and their keening neighs, and the hooves, and the horror, always the horror, a horror no sugarcubes will wash away.

And then we can start on the ******* Belgians...

Hang on, was that mic still on? ****...

All that and Jaime is still out injured

 

[Bad Horse]

All that and Jaime is still out injured

Is there no end to the juvinelequine horror?