January 26th 2025

[Carringbush2010]

We don’t “need” an Australia Day for citizenship ceremonies. They happen regularly throughout the year. The vast majority of new citizens don’t become a citizen on Australia Day. I didn’t. I think it was in March or April.

So let's not have an Australia day then, I'm all for it.

As sherb said, we should be proud and grateful of being so lucky to be in this country.

But, even if we didn't have a 'day' then the angst and lament will continue from both ends, at wish. Axe grinders and racist bigots, who get all the attention coz ahole media paints it that way, then the axe grinders and bigots indulge in culture wars on social media. Aholes!

Just wish we could let those fringe dickheads have at it themselves and the rest of us could discuss compromises to elevate the indigenous.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

The thing is, if the date of Australia Day was changed, it wouldn't change one thing for the vocal "anti changing the date of Australia Day" brigade. Particularly if it were changed to another day in summer.

They could still buy their overseas made Australia Day merch, get their day off work, hold their barbie in the nice summer sun, get pissed, drape themselves in Aussie flags, chant "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi, oi, oi", crank up Farnsy/Barnesy/Acca-Dacca/Chisel etc to full volume and so on.

For those inclined, any formal or organised Australia Day event could easily be held on the new date (eg citizenship ceremonies, public celebrations, concerts, etc).

So nothing would change. Not a thing.

The only reason people are getting their noses out of joint is that they are not willing to recognize that the current date of Australia Day causes pain to a significant (enough) proportion of the population and, because of that, they are vehemently opposed to any change at all which may ease that pain. To them, the Aboriginal population just needs to suck it up - which is just both selfish and completely lacking in any form of empathy on their part.

For me, I think Australia Day is a bit of a w**k anyway. Why? Because I quietly celebrate being Australian every day, as I have travelled enough and am aware enough generally to know how lucky we are in this country. I don't need a particular day of the year to be beating my chest about it. But that's just me and I don't deny others the right to celebrate.

i wish I’d written that because its exactly how I feel. i just cant express it as clearly

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

#1 highest tax payer paid indigenous peoples in the world. They have things very cushy.

LOL shit on an entire race for two+ centuries, hunt them down and shoot them like dogs, drive them off their land, rape their women, steal their children, deny them citizenship in their own land, then complain they're getting some government assistance. You really are Mahatma effing Gandhi mate.

 

[schneebly111]

As sherb said, we should be proud and grateful of being so lucky to be in this country.

"I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a ****ing genetic accident. You wouldn’t say 'I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.' So why the **** would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?"

George Carlin

 

[schneebly111]

Not their land

Oh really……

 

[schneebly111]

Just wish we could let those fringe dickheads have at it themselves and the rest of us could discuss compromises to elevate the indigenous.

I don’t see any changes as “compromises”, that implies that we are doing it just to appease indigenous people.

But also changing the day, to me, isn’t just about indigenous people, as a non indigenous Australian I want the national day to observe something Australians did, and for people to not wave around little Union Jack flags all day.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Not their land

In that case it's not our land either. Do try to be consistent.

Think you’ll find anyway that they did those things to themselves for thousands of years, and some communities continue to do it today.

That's no argument against continuing to treat them like shit.

January 26 1788 was the day the First Nations first experienced a cultural shift toward being developed with the rest of the world. Medicine, written language, education, infrastructure, trade, agriculture etc

I've no doubt most indigenous people are more than aware of the positives of western civilisation. (You really think that's an argument?) All they're asking is to not be treated like scum in return.

We got Mother effing Teresa here.

 

[faible]

In that case it's not our land either. Do try to be consistent.

That's no argument against continuing to treat them like shit.

I've no doubt most indigenous people are more than aware of the positives of western civilisation. (You really think that's an argument?) All they're asking is to not be treated like scum in return.

We got Mother effing Teresa here.

There's a real sentiment of 'they should be thankful they got invaded' in a lot of the defence of what's gone on.

As though the positives mean the negatives can never be acknowledged or appreciated.

 

[adammania9]

In that case it's not our land either. Do try to be consistent.

That's no argument against continuing to treat them like shit.

I've no doubt most indigenous people are more than aware of the positives of western civilisation. (You really think that's an argument?) All they're asking is to not be treated like scum in return.

We got Mother effing Teresa here.

Who treats them like shit? Not our country that gifts them every opportunity to make something of themselves, a greater opportunity than any other indigenous group in the world gets.

And of course it’s not our land. Who is “our”, anyway? People like you and I occupy the land, as do any Aboriginals currently living on the land. To walk the streets and shout “always was, always will be” is no less racist than Europe for Europeans.

 

[schneebly111]

Who treats them like shit? Not our country that gifts them every opportunity to make something of themselves, a greater opportunity than any other indigenous group in the world gets

Yeah I think it’s events like this which they see as being “treated like shit”:

List of massacres of Indigenous Australians - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There’s a museum to the Holocaust in every single state. There are zero to the massacres of indigenous Australians. Heck in WA half the things in the state are named after James Stirling who led the massacres.

I think at the very least educating future generations on what happened on Australian soil and renaming places named after guys who went hunting for indigenous people like they were animals would be the very least.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Who treats them like shit?

well pretty much all who voted No - they werent asking much. and every fwit who says theyll turn their back or boo Welcome to Country, and everyone who says they should have their funding CUT. Everyone who believes that a treaty is a bad idea. Thats a start

 

[Goroyals22]

well pretty much all who voted No - they werent asking much. and every fwit who says theyll turn their back or boo Welcome to Country, and everyone who says they should have their funding CUT. Everyone who believes that a treaty is a bad idea. Thats a start

Sounds like good ideas to me… why shouldn’t funding be reviewed… it’s obviously either not working or not appreciated. Maybe both…




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[South of the Yarra]

Not their land

Think you’ll find anyway that they did those things to themselves for thousands of years, and some communities continue to do it today. January 26 1788 was the day the First Nations first experienced a cultural shift toward being developed with the rest of the world. Medicine, written language, education, infrastructure, trade, agriculture etc

I really, truly feel sorry for you that you just do not understand and are not willing to listen. So sad.

 

[Mofra]

This sort of attitude doesn't help.

Immediately it's 0 to 100 with you, the money doesn't have to be wasted, it's only been wasted because the wrong people are not directing the funds correctly i:e not Aboriginal people.

If Aboriginal people had the proper input to how the funds are directed then we wouldn't have such wastage.

Correct.

Unfortunately, the mechanism to allow that to happen failed at referendum.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Who treats them like shit? Not our country that gifts them every opportunity to make something of themselves, a greater opportunity than any other indigenous group in the world gets.

And of course it’s not our land. Who is “our”, anyway? People like you and I occupy the land, as do any Aboriginals currently living on the land. To walk the streets and shout “always was, always will be” is no less racist than Europe for Europeans.

We're just blatantly making shit up now?

Your second paragraph makes it abundantly clear that you aren't intellectually qualified for this debate champ, I'd back out if I were you. You're not going to be made to feel any better about your imbecilic arguments, I promise you.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Who treats them like shit? Not our country that gifts them every opportunity to make something of themselves, a greater opportunity than any other indigenous group in the world gets.

Non indigenous people do. Sure, try to put the blame back on the indigenous. So terribly easy to say when you haven't had your existence almost completely destroyed.

Try seeing it the other way. Let's say you have a comfortable house in the burbs, a car or two, you work in some modern job, surrounded by creature comforts and technology on which you depend in your work and your day-to-day existence.

Some despot comes in, boots you out at gunpoint, and says "right, off you go, to be a hunter-gatherer." Resist and you get shot, and your partner r*ped. Your kids get stolen from you and raised by the invaders to do menial work for food and board (for their own good, of course).

Oh yeah, you'd thrive.

If no other country "gifts" their indigenous peoples greater opportunities than our indigenous peoples get, then lord help the indigenous people of those countries, and thank goodness we live in Australia, where at least enough of us aren't complete bastards.

You aren't even trying to put yourself in the shoes of a dispossessed people.

And of course it’s not our land.

Glad we at least agree on that.

Perhaps read up a bit on aboriginality and its spiritual relationship to land.

(No, that doesn't entitle anyone to automatic ownership of land, but it might at least awaken a tiny bit of empathy within you.)

 

[JackOutback]

We're just blatantly making shit up now?

Your second paragraph makes it abundantly clear that you aren't intellectually qualified for this debate champ, I'd back out if I were you. You're not going to be made to feel any better about your imbecilic arguments, I promise you.

It does serve as a reminder that these people exist. I tend not to move in stupid or racist circles, but it does highlight the extent of the challenge facing us.

 

[Carringbush2010]

"I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a *ing genetic accident. You wouldn’t say 'I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.' So why the * would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?"

George Carlin

I don't agree with George.

There's no shame or sin in having a sense of belonging to the country you were born in, barracking for your national team in sports, having pride of your fellow country people doing well on the world stage like the arts, science, politics etc.

This does not make one a racist bogan or nationalist ahole, like you want it to be so you express your outrage.

George can do George, George can stay in the minority.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I don’t see any changes as “compromises”, that implies that we are doing it just to appease indigenous people.

But also changing the day, to me, isn’t just about indigenous people, as a non indigenous Australian I want the national day to observe something Australians did, and for people to not wave around little Union Jack flags all day.

You've shown evidence that people like this are the minuscule minority, yet you've also alluded that this makes you angry.

So for you, it's not about the day, it's just you starting up this thread as an opportunity to express your outrage 'white, west, british'

You should go find these racist w****** and lock your selves up in a room and have at it.

The rest of us, the sensible majority, will do something constructive to achieve unity.

 

[Carringbush2010]

well pretty much all who voted No

Incorrect.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Correct.

Unfortunately, the mechanism to allow that to happen failed at referendum.

Albo could have legislated it. SA and Vic have set up their own advisory bodies. How are they faring?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Albo could have legislated it. SA and Vic have set up their own advisory bodies. How are they faring?

We don't know do we?

Anything positive rarely makes the news.

 

[Cmarsh]

Think about the countries of the world and how they mark their National day with politically significant events like their Nation's founding, installation of a constitution, etc.

And now the change the date movement is so out of ideas that they have come up with an athlete winning a medal as somehow worthy of Australia's alternate National Day.

Surprisingly, it's not April fools.

Tom Elliott open to rapper's Australia Day date proposal

3AW Mornings host Tom Elliott is happy with January 26th remaining as the date for Australia Day, however he is a fan of a new date proposal made by an Australian rapper. Rapper Rulla Kelly-Mansell thinks the new date for Australia Day should be on September 25, the date Cathy Freeman won her...

www.3aw.com.au

 

[schneebly111]

Think about the countries of the world and how they mark their National day with politically significant events like their Nation's founding, installation of a constitution, etc.

And then there’s this country observing the day a bunch of British sheep stealing convicts were forcibly taken here on British ships to start a British penal colony under a British flag and British Governor. A totally non significant event that wasn’t the nation’s founding or installation of a constitution. Yep you’re totally right there!

And now the change the date movement is so out of ideas that they have come up with an athlete winning a medal as somehow worthy of Australia's alternate National Day.

Yep the date Cathy Freeman won a gold medal is a better day to observe Australia Day on because it’s a day an AUSTRALIAN actually did something, not a bunch of British convicts and sailors starting a British penal colony.

 

[schneebly111]

Cmarsh you laugh but I haven’t said anything untrue.