Jetta: Why the hell didn't we pick him up.

[davey_23]

Wrong

Shaun Grigg himself said they were hot on the radar for him #14.

Wrong
Shane Edwards > Shaun Grigg

 

[davey_23]

Given the list we have assembled over the past few years, the last thing we needed was another "midget". For example, a player under 180cm. On our list at the minute, we have Eddie Betts (173cm), Luke Blackwell (177cm) and Marc Murphy (179cm).

Thats 3 out of 38 under 180cm, and adding Jetta would have been 4. In my book, that is probably 1 too many.

West Coast - 6

Steven Armstrong - 180cms
Michael Braun - 175cms
Ben Cousins - 179cms
Daniel Kerr - 178cms
Ashley Sampi - 178cms
David Wirrpanda - 173cms

Sydney - 5

Amon Buchanan - 179cms
Jared Crouch - 173cms
Jarred Moore - 179cms
Simon Phillips - 174cms
Adam Schneider - 179cms

Adelaide - 4

Matthew Bode - 178
Michael Doughty - 178
Tyson Edwards - 178
Graham Johncock - 180

Fremantle - 11

Peter Bell - 175cms
Heath Black - 176cms
Andrew Browne - 174cms
Josh Carr - 178cms
Troy Cook - 176cms
Jeff Farmer - 174cms
Paul Hasleby - 180cms
Roger Hayden - 179cms
Shaun McManus - 179cms
Byron Schammer - 176cms
James Walker - 179cms

Dosent work for those teams does it

 

[HBF]

West Coast - 6

Steven Armstrong - 180cms
Michael Braun - 175cms
Ben Cousins - 179cms
Daniel Kerr - 178cms
Ashley Sampi - 178cms
David Wirrpanda - 173cms

Sydney - 5

Amon Buchanan - 179cms
Jared Crouch - 173cms
Jarred Moore - 179cms
Simon Phillips - 174cms
Adam Schneider - 179cms

Adelaide - 4

Matthew Bode - 178
Michael Doughty - 178
Tyson Edwards - 178
Graham Johncock - 180

Fremantle - 11

Peter Bell - 175cms
Heath Black - 176cms
Andrew Browne - 174cms
Josh Carr - 178cms
Troy Cook - 176cms
Jeff Farmer - 174cms
Paul Hasleby - 180cms
Roger Hayden - 179cms
Shaun McManus - 179cms
Byron Schammer - 176cms
James Walker - 179cms

Dosent work for those teams does it

That's interesting.
I still think you need an even blend of size throughout your list, although West Coast and Sydney have proved otherwise.

 

[borissey]

That's interesting.
I still think you need an even blend of size throughout your list, although West Coast and Sydney have proved otherwise.

I dont think its an issue of NOW

Its an issue of where we want to be.

We all know we were terrible for years. but I think they decided to use that time to almost fully rebuild the list. If you are going to do that, why not do it with an overall plan?

It is clear that we are building a very tall, pacey list. If we build such a team then 1 on 1 we should have an advantage over shorter teams. That is a good thing.

WCE are a phenomenal team, or put it the other way, they have 3 phenomenal midfielders. A few short guys to fill in the midfield who all happen to very good as well doesnt hurt. I wonder if the short guys on the Dockers list will be a problem going forward?

 

[HBF]

It is clear that we are building a very tall, pacey list. If we build such a team then 1 on 1 we should have an advantage over shorter teams. That is a good thing.

We certainly have drafted very well over the past few years, and can really see this list improving out of sight in the next 12-24 months.

Looking forward to seeing Grigg play this weekend, either with Carlton or with the Ants on Sunday.

 

[Salaryman]

I certainly hope the idiots who were pushing for Jetta or Wayne Hughes' head took themselves down to PP this afternoon. How did Grigg play BluesRules.....Hampson?

Did you see Grigg's 30 touches? Hampsters athleticism, speed and leap. HIs runs down the wing, selling the dummy and side-stepping his smaller opponent like he wasn't there. First hands on every ruck contest, contested marks at FF??

No, that's right, i still want a flashy forward pocket too

 

[marcmurphy3]

I certainly hope the idiots who were pushing for Jetta or Wayne Hughes' head took themselves down to PP this afternoon. How did Grigg play BluesRules.....Hampson?

Did you see Grigg's 30 touches? Hampsters athleticism, speed and leap. HIs runs down the wing, selling the dummy and side-stepping his smaller opponent like he wasn't there. First hands on every ruck contest, contested marks at FF??

No, that's right, i still want a flashy forward pocket too

Grigg should come in this week for Jackson with Kennedy coming in for Bower.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

I went and watched the dogs vs bumbers on saturday at skilled stadium and while Jetta did a few ok things he's still along way off being an AFL midfielder.

Davey more looked the part than Jetta.

I'd rather Grigg.

 

[Salaryman]

Grigg is still playing 20 m off his man but was very good today.

 

[HBF]

Grigg is still playing 20 m off his man but was very good today.

Still, he was alot more damaging than his opponent, and only because he ran out of petrol was the reason he didn't get 30+ posessions.

 

[Salaryman]

Still, he was alot more damaging than his opponent, and only because he ran out of petrol was the reason he didn't get 30+ posessions.

Yes, against #38 for the box hill sporks.

Won't be able to do it at AFL level.

 

[HBF]

Yes, against #38 for the box hill sporks.

Won't be able to do it at AFL level.

Give him a role off HB, something similar to Scotland, and just make him be accountable.

 

[murphster]

In last years draft we had the opportunity to get Leroy Jetta. What a mistake it was to overlook him. It was a miracle that he slipped so far down the draft order, but when he was available at carltons second pick it was fantastic. It was an opportunity for carlton to pick up a super quick mid/fwd. Picking Hampson was a mistake. We should have taken Jetta at 17 and hope Hampson was there at 19 (Which he would have been because essendon wasn't going to pick another tall).

This will be a huge mistake. Remember these words. Grigg is very soft, can't kick and is only a back flanker, Hampson isn't really a proven under age footballer (Was worth the gamble at pick 19, but not at pick 17 in front of jetta).

With a midfield that contains Bentick, Murphy, Stevens and Gibbs. These guys are not quick. We needed an injection of pace. Jetta was the answer for carlton. Carlton lack pace in the midfield and it will come back and haunt us in the future.

I thought that was the 1 mistake we did make in the draft not taking Jetta at 17, Essendon where never going to take Hampson with 18 so we could have taken him with 19. Jetta is the sort of player that can turn a match off his own boot and can play midfield as well, we needed that extra forward pocket goal kicker to go along with Betts. Was definitely one of my favourite players in the draft. But if you look at Essendons list they now have to many of those sorts of players and will have to discard 1 or more of them at some stage down the track, you can't play Lovett, Alwyn Davey, Leroy Jetta, Dean ****, Courtney Dempsey, Bachar Houli and Angus Monfries all in the same side, something or someone has to give.

 

[Salaryman]

Originally Posted by BluesRules
In last years draft we had the opportunity to get Leroy Jetta. What a mistake it was to overlook him. It was a miracle that he slipped so far down the draft order, but when he was available at carltons second pick it was fantastic. It was an opportunity for carlton to pick up a super quick mid/fwd (1). Picking Hampson was a mistake. We should have taken Jetta at 17 and hope Hampson was there at 19 (Which he would have been because essendon wasn't going to pick another tall (2)).

This will be a huge mistake. Remember these words. Grigg is very soft, can't kick (3) and is only a back flanker (4), Hampson isn't really a proven under age footballer (Was worth the gamble at pick 19, but not at pick 17 in front of jetta) (5).

With a midfield that contains Bentick, Murphy, Stevens and Gibbs. These guys are not quick. We needed an injection of pace (6). Jetta was the answer for carlton. Carlton lack pace in the midfield and it will come back and haunt us in the future (7).

(1) Fwd/mid is probably more accurate, just like Eddie is a Fwd/Mid

(2) You can't say that with any degree of certainty let alone the certainty you present here.....in fact Wayne Hughes who would be far more privvy to Essendon's recruiting needs and strategy than you was reasonably concerned they would take him

(3) Absolute rubbish, never seen such drivel. What are you basing this observation on?

(4) Again pure fabrication. Where has he been playing in the pre-season? He is far more versatile and likely to make it as a full time midfielder than Jetta. In fact to my knowledge he hasn't spent any time of the HBF this pre-season

(5) So recruiting is that exact a science you can say Hammer is worth pick 19 but not 17...again unadulterated rubbish. A few clubs had him top 15 and an athletic 202cm ruckman is far harder to come by than a flashy dime a dozen FP.

(6) Injection of pace?? Again have you seen Grigg running around in the pre-season? How did he go at draft camp? Wasn't Grigg in the top 5% across 5, 10 and 20m?? Ok, Jetta is quick, but Grigg is equally fast.

(7) A big remaiins to be seen.


I have no affiliation to Grigg, in fact HBF can tell you I was against us drafting him at #19. However I am prepared to admit that it will probably be a very astute call picking up Hammer and Grigg. Anybody who was there on Sunday would probably agree.

 

[Salaryman]

I thought that was the 1 mistake we did make in the draft not taking Jetta at 17, Essendon where never going to take Hampson with 18 so we could have taken him with 19. Jetta is the sort of player that can turn a match off his own boot and can play midfield as well, we needed that extra forward pocket goal kicker to go along with Betts. Was definitely one of my favourite players in the draft. But if you look at Essendons list they now have to many of those sorts of players and will have to discard 1 or more of them at some stage down the track, you can't play Lovett, Alwyn Davey, Leroy Jetta, Dean ****, Courtney Dempsey, Bachar Houli and Angus Monfries all in the same side, something or someone has to give.

How can people keep making this ambit claim with no evidence, makes me so angry Did you see Hampson play on Sunday?? If you did I am betting you would have done anything possible to secure his services at #17. And it isn't like we had any athletic 202cm kids with a huge leap developing on our list (Ok, other than Asaike )

 

[HBF]

I thought that was the 1 mistake we did make in the draft not taking Jetta at 17, Essendon where never going to take Hampson with 18 so we could have taken him with 19. Jetta is the sort of player that can turn a match off his own boot and can play midfield as well, we needed that extra forward pocket goal kicker to go along with Betts. Was definitely one of my favourite players in the draft. But if you look at Essendons list they now have to many of those sorts of players and will have to discard 1 or more of them at some stage down the track, you can't play Lovett, Alwyn Davey, Leroy Jetta, Dean ****, Courtney Dempsey, Bachar Houli and Angus Monfries all in the same side, something or someone has to give.

I'll say it again.
Some draft watchers based in WA said that whilst Jetta had skill and pace, there were 2 question marks over him.

1. Not completely sold on the idea that he could make it in the midfield at AFL level.

2. Questioned his aerobic capacity and whehther he'd be able to get to a fitness level required even to be considered for a midfield role.

At the end of the day, you have to trust your judgement, and go with the best player on your list. From what I saw yesterday, Grigg was fantastic. Gilly has already posted his stats, and almost all of his disposals hit the target.

 

[Salaryman]

I'll say it again.
Some draft watchers based in WA said that whilst Jetta had skill and pace, there were 2 question marks over him.

1. Not completely sold on the idea that he could make it in the midfield at AFL level.

2. Questioned his aerobic capacity and whehther he'd be able to get to a fitness level required even to be considered for a midfield role.

At the end of the day, you have to trust your judgement, and go with the best player on your list. From what I saw yesterday, Grigg was fantastic. Gilly has already posted his stats, and almost all of his disposals hit the target.

It's kiind of funny now that i am such an adament defender of the Grigg selection and straight after the draft I was such a vehement opposer of the decision....says a lot about what I have heard about and seen of him since, go GRIGGA

 

[HBF]

It's kiind of funny now that i am such an adament defender of the Grigg selection and straight after the draft I was such a vehement opposer of the decision....says a lot about what I have heard about and seen of him since, go GRIGGA

Yeah, funny about that.
Besides the high draft picks, a couple of the boys that impressed me right away were Grigg and Anderson. The other one was Petterd, but lets not go there huh?

 

[Salaryman]

Yeah, funny about that.
Besides the high draft picks, a couple of the boys that impressed me right away were Grigg and Anderson. The other one was Petterd, but lets not go there huh?

Yes, don't mention the war

 

[HBF]

Yes, don't mention the war

I really hope Flint doesn't see Petterds name on the Carlton board.

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

I thought that was the 1 mistake we did make in the draft not taking Jetta at 17, Essendon where never going to take Hampson with 18 so we could have taken him with 19. Jetta is the sort of player that can turn a match off his own boot and can play midfield as well, we needed that extra forward pocket goal kicker to go along with Betts. Was definitely one of my favourite players in the draft. But if you look at Essendons list they now have to many of those sorts of players and will have to discard 1 or more of them at some stage down the track, you can't play Lovett, Alwyn Davey, Leroy Jetta, Dean ****, Courtney Dempsey, Bachar Houli and Angus Monfries all in the same side, something or someone has to give.

While i have rated Grigg since i watched him last year and even stood up for him against Carlton supporters who had already unfairly judged him i still think Jetta will turn out the better player. You can just tell when a player is special and thats exactly what he is. And that last paragraph about not being able to have Davey Jetta and co in the same team is the biggest peice of nonsense i've read.

Getting back to Grigg i havent seen him play yet this year, is he a chance to play Saturday night? Does anybody else think he plays like Brent Stanton?

 

[Salaryman]

While i have rated Grigg since i watched him last year and even stood up for him against Carlton supporters who had already unfairly judged him i still think Jetta will turn out the better player. You can just tell when a player is special and thats exactly what he is. And that last paragraph about not being able to have Davey Jetta and co in the same team is the biggest peice of nonsense i've read.

Getting back to Grigg i havent seen him play yet this year, is he a chance to play Saturday night? Does anybody else think he plays like Brent Stanton?

Have to disagree with you there Macca, Grigg will end up a more consistent and versatile AFL footballer IMO.

 

[Philhawk]

A good friend of mine knew Hampson from his time up in Queensland. From the games he saw him play, he said he was one of the best ruck prospects he'd seen in a long, long time (and without naming names, he's a 'fair' judge of talent).

He honestly expected Hampson to go to Collingwood in the Top 10 and couldn't believe that he slipped to Carltons 2nd pick.

On that note, what's to say that if Carlton had picked up Jetta, that Essendon wouldn't have picked Hampson? Recruiters like going for the best player available, and by Pick 17, Hampson was definitely that player (remember, Essendon were allegedly keen on picking a ruckman in Leuenberger anyway earlier on - or so I read in the papers ).

Dont know anything about Grigg so can't say anything about him. But for crying out loud, it's been 3-4 games into the NAB cup and people are already thinking about the 'what if's' without giving their players a chance.

Hampson will be an absolute gun, but will need at least 4 years before he begins to shine. At least give him that chance and you'll reap the rewards.

 

[peter1979]

In last years draft we had the opportunity to get Leroy Jetta. What a mistake it was to overlook him. It was a miracle that he slipped so far down the draft order, but when he was available at carltons second pick it was fantastic. It was an opportunity for carlton to pick up a super quick mid/fwd. Picking Hampson was a mistake. We should have taken Jetta at 17 and hope Hampson was there at 19 (Which he would have been because essendon wasn't going to pick another tall).

This will be a huge mistake. Remember these words. Grigg is very soft, can't kick and is only a back flanker, Hampson isn't really a proven under age footballer (Was worth the gamble at pick 19, but not at pick 17 in front of jetta).

With a midfield that contains Bentick, Murphy, Stevens and Gibbs. These guys are not quick. We needed an injection of pace. Jetta was the answer for carlton. Carlton lack pace in the midfield and it will come back and haunt us in the future.

HOLD ON A MINUTE GUYS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT WE HAVE A FANTASTIC FORWARD LINE WITH FISHER, BETTS FEVOLA KENNEDY WHO IS GOING TO BE A GREAT CHAMPION, also players in the midfield bentick is strong and lays tackles benjamin and flint havent even played a senior game yet and andrew walker is still only 20 years old and just hit 50 games last year, with ohalpin and waite establishing themselves in the backline we have a very young list actually we have the least average of games played for players in the comp, in other words we still gotta inject games into our players, hawthorns midfield is nowhere near as fast as ours and yet they are great players, secondly flint will be faster than jetta overall mark my words and hampson will be a gun no doubt about we have hartlett to come into the side, im thrilled at what carltons done with their pick ups, cloke and ackland only bolster our height and marking power and eddie betts is improving at only 20, is pacy and knows how to find the goals so lets wait and see who ecxels better between carlton and essendon over time, my faith is with the inexperinced yet tealented blues than the middle of the range bombers with 7 players hitting 30 and three others nearly there, whereas the blues only have 2 kouta and lappin, time is on our side

 

[Salaryman]

A good friend of mine knew Hampson from his time up in Queensland. From the games he saw him play, he said he was one of the best ruck prospects he'd seen in a long, long time (and without naming names, he's a 'fair' judge of talent).

He honestly expected Hampson to go to Collingwood in the Top 10 and couldn't believe that he slipped to Carltons 2nd pick.

On that note, what's to say that if Carlton had picked up Jetta, that Essendon wouldn't have picked Hampson? Recruiters like going for the best player available, and by Pick 17, Hampson was definitely that player (remember, Essendon were allegedly keen on picking a ruckman in Leuenberger anyway earlier on - or so I read in the papers ).

Dont know anything about Grigg so can't say anything about him. But for crying out loud, it's been 3-4 games into the NAB cup and people are already thinking about the 'what if's' without giving their players a chance.

Hampson will be an absolute gun, but will need at least 4 years before he begins to shine. At least give him that chance and you'll reap the rewards.

Good post mate. I read elsewhere that WH had his eye on Hampson since he beat Cam Wood in a QFL game up there. He proved a real handful for the Box Hill FB on Sunday when he was playing up at FF too. Even elicited a few cries of Richo from time to time (resemblance in appearance and style at FF !!)