Podcast Joe Rogan Experience

[Bostonian]

It seems right wing podcasts like JRE are dominating the podcast landscape.

Might be because they are talking about interesting topics that deal with how to improve ones life and enjoying hobbies such as hunting elk.

It appears the lefties have been left behind. I suppose the "pay more taxes shut up and say sorry to everyone" schtick just isn't very interesting to the wider podcast audience, and society in general.

Rogan isn't a right wing podcast.

Anyone who truly thinks that is a massive dumbarse.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Why didn't he get a contract from Spotify that said he couldn't be censored?

Because he doesn't care.

How do you know what the contract with Spotify stipulates?

 

[EasternTiger]

Rogan isn't a right wing podcast.

Anyone who truly thinks that is a massive dumbarse.

Really?

That's surprising. All my 'progressive' friends assure me people like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson are rabid right wingers.

Maybe I need new friends?

 

[Chief]

How do you know what the contract with Spotify stipulates?

So you think Spotify might be in breach of contract? Or Rogan has taken the episodes down of his own accord?

 

[Chief]

Rogan isn't a right wing podcast.

Anyone who truly thinks that is a massive dumbarse.

Quality contribution from Bosto yet again

 

[EasternTiger]

Massive hit taking down old episodes that have already maxed out their views.

I for one will really miss episode #8 - Brian Redban

 

[Taylor]

So you think Spotify might be in breach of contract? Or Rogan has taken the episodes down of his own accord?

Yeah he apologised for saying the word while saying he doesn't say it at all now.

He's already been paid for those episodes and he can get paid again to film more with those people while they talk about that.

 

[Chief]

Cool so the whole "censorship" thing is just the chattering classes sipping their lattes. Controversy sorted.

 

[Taylor]

Cool so the whole "censorship" thing is just the chattering classes sipping their lattes. Controversy sorted.

It's hypocrites using issues they pretend to care about to shut down discussions they don't like, or influence they don't like when it suits them. Otherwise ignoring the same in people they agree with.

Which is fine. Use their power to oppress. Don't be surprised when people recognise it for what it is and react accordingly, dismissing everything else they say.

When we are talking about misinformation causing suffering, the people complaining on CNN are sitting in the same chairs as the people who sold weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as the reason to go in there and that's just one direct example of it. Let's completely ignore Maddow telling people that once you're vaccinated you're no longer at risk from covid and can't spread it - which she did. Let's assume that some people believed that. That's cost lives. Nobody cares.

So let's just boil off all the BS around this.

Rogan is a platform that isn't controlled. I'm not going to assume you've seen how Harris handled being on Charlemagne's podcast when he asked an off the wall question but she flipped out and her handlers ended the discussion because the carefully controlled PR image was at risk.

Now imagine a political rival was comfortable sitting across from Rogan for three hours discussing everything. That's going to make them very relatable and genuine. It did great things for Sanders. Gabbard looked like an actual human being. They are in a tricky spot if their public image needs interactions to be scripted and questions approved ahead of time so they don't drop the ball during three hours of conversation.

The usual play is the network submits their questions and the politician rattles off the answers they had prepared, hitting the phrases and the talking points. Then the talking heads on the panel tell you what you should think about it.

Doesn't work with long form podcasts. Almost every single one has zero reach though so it's no big deal. Not Rogan.

Rogan can offer an invitation to the presidential candidates around October 5th a few weeks before the election and three hours of talking later will show the people who is switched on and capable. They won't need a network telling them what to think.

 

[Partridge]

It seems right wing podcasts like JRE are dominating the podcast landscape.

Might be because they are talking about interesting topics that deal with how to improve ones life and enjoying hobbies such as hunting elk.

It appears the lefties have been left behind. I suppose the "pay more taxes shut up and say sorry to everyone" schtick just isn't very interesting to the wider podcast audience, and society in general.

The pay more taxes part depends on your point of view and can be discussed. Saying sorry to everyone is just pathetic and grotesque, and most people quite sensibly want none of it.

 

[Contra Mundum]

It seems right wing podcasts like JRE are dominating the podcast landscape.

Might be because they are talking about interesting topics that deal with how to improve ones life and enjoying hobbies such as hunting elk.

It appears the lefties have been left behind. I suppose the "pay more taxes shut up and say sorry to everyone" schtick just isn't very interesting to the wider podcast audience, and society in general.

Its not necessarily a right wing podcast. it just "dumb shit that uninformed jocks say" podcast. Not a big fan of censorship but **** me - he has crossed the line a few times. Also ironic that the biggest ingestor Human Grown Hormone does not want to get vaccinated, promotes drugs that don't cure or remediate the effects of COVID and overstates the side effects of vaccines. He is also an entry level drug to loopy right wing shit for incels and jocks - no one who listens to JRE actually reads Jordy

 

[Demonic Ascent]

So you think Spotify might be in breach of contract? Or Rogan has taken the episodes down of his own accord?

I don't know - we'll have to see how it plays out, whether Rogan pushes to get those episodes reinstated etc

He did say in the episode I watched with Bill Burr that the only input Spotify had had since he moved was asking who would be on as a guest (although that was from 2020 I think). He indicated he had full ownership of his show (with full creative control I would assume) but whether that means Spotify has the option to pull episodes is another matter I guess.

Either way saying "he doesn't care" is pretty stupid when you have NFI.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Cool so the whole "censorship" thing is just the chattering classes sipping their lattes. Controversy sorted.

You were the one who stated they shouldn't be given a platform.

 

[Bostonian]

Its not necessarily a right wing podcast. it just "dumb sh*t that uninformed jocks say" podcast. Not a big fan of censorship but fu** me - he has crossed the line a few times. Also ironic that the biggest ingestor Human Grown Hormone is an anti vaxxer. He is also an entry drug to loopy right wing sh*t for incels and jocks - no one who listen to JRE actually reads Jordy

Wait what?

You mean the guy who has said multiple times to get vaccinated is anti-vaxx?

Isn't the whole premise of being anti-vaxx to tell everyone not to get vaxxed no matter what?

 

[Contra Mundum]

Wait what?

You mean the guy who has said multiple times to get vaccinated is anti-vaxx?

Isn't the whole premise of being anti-vaxx to tell everyone not to get vaxxed no matter what?

Sorry I should correct myself [I have corrected the post of which you complain]. He promotes drugs that don't cure or remediate the effects of COVID and overstates the risk of getting vaccinated. I like his style - there is no one in the "affable moron jock asking dumb questions" space. He sometimes stumbles on a good line of questioning too - but **** me he needs to have an editor and research assistance. Relying on his THC addled brain on its own isn't working

 

[Chief]

Either way saying "he doesn't care" is pretty stupid when you have NFI.

LOL **** off.

If he signed a contract that lets them pull shows, then he doesn't care to have that control. It's his show he can care as much or as little about it as he likes, can't he? Why is everyone getting upset about it?

If he's pulling shows just because they might hurt Spotify's chances in Saudi (for one example someone gave above) then no, he doesn't care which episodes stay up.

That's obvious and you're pretty stupid if you ever think anything else, ever, forever and ever, no takesie-backsies.

I suppose - and of course this is just a supposition, I'm spelling that out for the stupidy stupid dumb dumb heads - if he takes his show off Spotify his contract is broken and he doesn't get his money. You'd have to be a stupid, stupid, poo-face to think that a $US33 b Big Tech company and their investment company owners would write a contract any differently.

If he wanted to keep his entire creative control he would have just gotten his income via Patreon and selling his powders and metal balls.

But he wanted to take his brand into the corporate world for ****-you money and here he is.

But I have NFI - I'm just guessing based on what seems logical. As are all us stupid people.

 

[Chief]

I like his style ... but fu** me he needs to have an editor and research assistance

That's about it IMO. His producer just isn't doing their job.

 

[Contra Mundum]

That's about it IMO. His producer just isn't doing their job.

I have enjoyed JRE sometimes but like all jazz cigarette induced rants - it often goes horribly off the rails

 

[Chief]

I have enjoyed JRE sometimes but like all jazz cigarette induced rants - it often goes horribly off the rails

I used to listen to chunks of it, or the whole episode if there was someone really interesting on. Other podcasts generally took my interest away over time.

There was sort of funny stuff when he was talking with his friends but it seemed like it was often LA comedy scene talk or Fear Factor or which drug they were on whatever. I suppose it might give a teenager a thrill to be in on that conversation but... you know. I'm too bald for that to be titillating. They're no Derek and Clive, matey!

 

[Demonic Ascent]

LOL fu** off.

If he signed a contract that lets them pull shows, then he doesn't care to have that control. It's his show he can care as much or as little about it as he likes, can't he? Why is everyone getting upset about it?

If he's pulling shows just because they might hurt Spotify's chances in Saudi (for one example someone gave above) then no, he doesn't care which episodes stay up.

That's obvious and you're pretty stupid if you ever think anything else, ever, forever and ever, no takesie-backsies.

I suppose - and of course this is just a supposition, I'm spelling that out for the stupidy stupid dumb dumb heads - if he takes his show off Spotify his contract is broken and he doesn't get his money. You'd have to be a stupid, stupid, poo-face to think that a $US33 b Big Tech company and their investment company owners would write a contract any differently.

If he wanted to keep his entire creative control he would have just gotten his income via Patreon and selling his powders and metal balls.

But he wanted to take his brand into the corporate world for fu**-you money and here he is.

But I have NFI - I'm just guessing based on what seems logical. As are all us stupid people.

As I said, we will see how it plays out.

 

[M Malice]

It's hypocrites using issues they pretend to care about to shut down discussions they don't like, or influence they don't like when it suits them. Otherwise ignoring the same in people they agree with.

Which is fine. Use their power to oppress. Don't be surprised when people recognise it for what it is and react accordingly, dismissing everything else they say.

When we are talking about misinformation causing suffering, the people complaining on CNN are sitting in the same chairs as the people who sold weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as the reason to go in there and that's just one direct example of it. Let's completely ignore Maddow telling people that once you're vaccinated you're no longer at risk from covid and can't spread it - which she did. Let's assume that some people believed that. That's cost lives. Nobody cares.

So let's just boil off all the BS around this.

Rogan is a platform that isn't controlled. I'm not going to assume you've seen how Harris handled being on Charlemagne's podcast when he asked an off the wall question but she flipped out and her handlers ended the discussion because the carefully controlled PR image was at risk.

Now imagine a political rival was comfortable sitting across from Rogan for three hours discussing everything. That's going to make them very relatable and genuine. It did great things for Sanders. Gabbard looked like an actual human being. They are in a tricky spot if their public image needs interactions to be scripted and questions approved ahead of time so they don't drop the ball during three hours of conversation.

The usual play is the network submits their questions and the politician rattles off the answers they had prepared, hitting the phrases and the talking points. Then the talking heads on the panel tell you what you should think about it.

Doesn't work with long form podcasts. Almost every single one has zero reach though so it's no big deal. Not Rogan.

Rogan can offer an invitation to the presidential candidates around October 5th a few weeks before the election and three hours of talking later will show the people who is switched on and capable. They won't need a network telling them what to think.

Awesome post.

 

[Contra Mundum]

I used to listen to chunks of it, or the whole episode if there was someone really interesting on. Other podcasts generally took my interest away over time.

There was sort of funny stuff when he was talking with his friends but it seemed like it was often LA comedy scene talk or Fear Factor or which drug they were on whatever. I suppose it might give a teenager a thrill to be in on that conversation but... you know. I'm too bald for that to be titillating. They're no Derek and Clive, matey!

When he is riffing with his mates its fine. Sometimes he lucks into a line of enquiry - I can't listen for too long but I can sort of understand why he has got the stoner/jock audience

 

[Chief]

It's hypocrites using issues they pretend to care about

You seem to hang it all off this. Which seems to be your general view: Nobody actually cares about anything, or they would spend every penny and every waking moment doing everything they could to change it. Peter Singer's ethical argument has its objections.

Your other philosophy seems to be that every error or lie is the same. No. Wrong.

Regarding vaccines, we know more now than we used to. It's not correct to say you'll never get Covid if you're vaccinated, but it's an error in the right direction. And people are in touch with a health professional at the point of vaccination so they can ask that person at that time. Nothing at all like Malone who is trying to stop vulnerable people getting vaccinated, which means they are almost certainly not going to be in touch with a health professional about it. Malone's is an outright lie in the opposite direction - one of many. He shouldn't be given air time.

Did the people you mention ever correct themselves about the effectiveness of vaccines? Do they continue to say the same thing? Malone continues to insist on his far more damaging lies.

It sounds like Rogan gets a pass from you under the guise of "boiling off the BS" while everyone you don't like is still evil.

 

[M Malice]

When he is riffing with his mates its fine. Sometimes he lucks into a line of enquiry - I can't listen for too long but I can sort of understand why he has got the stoner/jock audience

I'm a big fan of Rogan, never smoked weed and certainly no jock, I am a boomer yoga devotee who loves trekking though so I guess you can add that demographic to Joe's listening base.

 

[Taylor]

You seem to hang it all off this. Which seems to be your general view: Nobody actually cares about anything, or they would spend every penny and every waking moment doing everything they could to change it. Peter Singer's ethical argument has its objections.

Your other philosophy seems to be that every error or lie is the same. No. Wrong.

Regarding vaccines, we know more now than we used to. It's not correct to say you'll never get Covid if you're vaccinated, but it's an error in the right direction. And people are in touch with a health professional at the point of vaccination so they can ask that person at that time. Nothing at all like Malone who is trying to stop vulnerable people getting vaccinated, which means they are almost certainly not going to be in touch with a health professional about it. Malone's is an outright lie in the opposite direction - one of many. He shouldn't be given air time.

Did the people you mention ever correct themselves about the effectiveness of vaccines? Do they continue to say the same thing? Malone continues to insist on his far more damaging lies.

It sounds like Rogan gets a pass from you under the guise of "boiling off the BS" while everyone you don't like is still evil.

I don't believe everyone in the public eye is genuine, that's correct. I know that various advocacy groups are motivated by causes other than the ones they purport to champion.

I believe that if you're going to present yourself as something then you have to do more than talk about it, that's correct.

When it comes to the discussion about domestic violence or indigenous issues I think the loudest voice on the internet is nothing when they have made their contribution towards solving an issue purely the form of hot air from their mouths and trying to reach some other hearts and minds on it. That's cheap. Very, very cheap. The only benefit coming out of that is the person blowing the hot air, showing everyone what a good person they could be if only they did something of actual value. They stand in the spotlight of the issue and glorify themselves.

It's actually embarrassing for me to talk about what my family does, I wish I didn't bring it up when I challenged you on how you handled the homeless person and you responded with a "what was I supposed to do?" and that was a fair question. You probably aren't able to change the whole world but you probably could have for that person in need, you just chose to pay the small change tax so you can go on about your day. This is why I think handing responsibility for social change to the government is a selfish cop out. Someone just wants to pay their Guilt Tax and feel like they did their part while not thinking about anything too much.

Now can we discuss the weapons of mass destruction lie that has lead to millions of deaths and then we can talk about how many people have been dissuaded from vaccination by Malone and the outcomes of that?

Because I agree, the two are not the same, they don't have the same impact but only one of those seems to matter at the moment.

You want an example of why I don't believe we should take things at face value? The video of Rogan saying the N word was posted by an account paid for by a super political action committee.

If you don't see how this is political yet you aren't opening your eyes enough.