John Butcher

[Jell]

they have zero chance of a flag unless they get one ASAP IMO and if that means losing a very talented BF/Mid then so be it, promising KPFs don't come cheap.

I think that's an overstatement. I mean we have 3 players in the top 10 goal kickers for the league, so our scoring power isn't exactly diminished.

A KPF is a luxury not a must have. With Waite fit and a develping Luke Mitchell we do have options, but Butcher would increase our forward power immediately.

I think he's worth a first round pick and a player, he is NOT worth Bryce Gibbs.

 

[the distributer]

I think that's an overstatement. I mean we have 3 players in the top 10 goal kickers for the league, so our scoring power isn't exactly diminished.

A KPF is a luxury not a must have. With Waite fit and a develping Luke Mitchell we do have options, but Butcher would increase our forward power immediately.

I think he's worth a first round pick and a player, he is NOT worth Bryce Gibbs.

Well you wont be getting him then (IMO), every Vic club will have a crack at him (except for Pies/Cats) you will need to be the highest bidder, Doggies will go hard, Hawks will go hard, Saints will have a real crack, all are desperate for a KF, and thats without even worrying about the bottom feeder clubs, so pick 20 and a fringe player isn't going to snare him mate, not even close.

 

[cotter101]

Well you wont be getting him then (IMO), every Vic club will have a crack at him (except for Pies/Cats) you will need to be the highest bidder, Doggies will go hard, Hawks will go hard, Saints will have a real crack, all are desperate for a KF, and thats without even worrying about the bottom feeder clubs, so pick 20 and a fringe player isn't going to snare him mate, not even close.

Roughead and Franklin are 24 why would the Hawks go hard.

 

[TheSuper6of06]

dont think gibbs wants to leave Carlton

pretty sure he's plum happy

and there has been no murmurings

besides

Carlton first pick will be 22 ... mid second round in the old language ... and aside from Gibbs ....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86738/default.aspx

and GWS doesn't have access to preseason so ....

 

[the distributer]

Roughead and Franklin are 24 why would the Hawks go hard.

Because Roughead just snapped his achilles, not many players come back to 100% after doing that and Butcher could play as a 3rd tall anyway if needed, or, Buddy could spend more time on the Ball.

 

[the distributer]

dont think gibbs wants to leave Carlton

pretty sure he's plum happy

and there has been no murmurings

besides

Carlton first pick will be 22 ... mid second round in the old language ... and aside from Gibbs ....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86738/default.aspx

and GWS doesn't have access to preseason so ....

What's to stop him from going National draft though?, if he does, you wont re-draft him, that would be a mistake.

 

[Gazza_11]

Probably. Read 10 somewhere.

 

[mac25]

Well you wont be getting him then (IMO), every Vic club will have a crack at him (except for Pies/Cats) you will need to be the highest bidder, Doggies will go hard, Hawks will go hard, Saints will have a real crack, all are desperate for a KF, and thats without even worrying about the bottom feeder clubs, so pick 20 and a fringe player isn't going to snare him mate, not even close.

TD you seriously have no idea, a club normally convinces the proposed player to join their club on the basis of $, direction of the club, stability within the club etc, if Butcher decided to leave and go to St Kilda for example any deal would be negotiated between Port and St Kilda, a player selects a club and then the two parties negotiate a fair & reasonable outcome to both parties, nothing to do with the highest bid of draft selections to snare the deal.

GWS has most of key picks anyway this year, so very few clubs would have access to have decent picks, and possibly clubs that offer no much better hope than Port in the short term.

 

[TheSuper6of06]

What's to stop him from going National draft though?, if he does, you wont re-draft him, that would be a mistake.

if it heads that way it heads that way

we've done it before

the reality is that the young players at port feel like they can achieve something together

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/young-guns-look-set-to-power-on/story-e6freco3-1226119915740

From Matthew Lobbe

"I'm honestly confident they will all re-sign," said Lobbe, who, at age 22, has taken over the No. 1 rucking role from the soon-to-be-retired Dean Brogan.

"We've all got a lot of belief in the young group we've got here and we're looking forward to the future, so I think we all want to stay with each other."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/talk-with-tredders-from-1130am/story-e6freco3-1226120640903

From Warren Tredrea

yeah i agree the key to rebuilding the list as quickly as possible is to retain your youngsters. they will take time to develop, there is no quick fix. peter rohde has done very well in retaining the young players over the past few years. i expect the other youngsters to re-sign soon.

its the middle age group who feels alienated

 

[the distributer]

TD you seriously have no idea, a club normally convinces the proposed player to join their club on the basis of $, direction of the club, stability within the club etc, if Butcher decided to leave and go to St Kilda for example any deal would be negotiated between Port and St Kilda, a player selects a club and then the two parties negotiate a fair & reasonable outcome to both parties, nothing to do with the highest bid of draft selections to snare the deal.

GWS has most of key picks anyway this year, so very few clubs would have access to have decent picks, and possibly clubs that offer no much better hope than Port in the short term.

Not always, Butcher will probably feel he owes Port something, he may just say he wants to go home so make a deal, it'd be a pricks act if he said he wants to go home and only wants to play for club X, that would hinder Ports bargaining power no end.

He won't be on huge money no matter where he goes so $ wont be a problem, all clubs will be able to give him what he wants, within reason.

Normally players who leave clubs and demand to be traded to club X have had long careers and feel they deserve to go where they want.

 

[QPower]

People say he can't be worth much because he has only played 2 games, but the flip side of that is that he has not yet had a full pre-season and has not yet filled out physically and he is already taking big contested marks and kicking goals.

John Butcher in a year will be a very, very scary proposition for every defence in the AFL.

 

[the distributer]

People say he can't be worth much because he has only played 2 games, but the flip side of that is that he has not yet had a full pre-season and has not yet filled out physically and he is already taking big contested marks and kicking goals.

John Butcher in a year will be a very, very scary proposition for every defence in the AFL.

Mostly the People who want him to lol.

Fact is he was touted as a n01 DP and we all know why he slid, that should tell people he has a lotttt of talent, the 2 games he's played so far reinforce that IMO, so he went pick 8 and has had 2 years of development, he's worth a lot more than that now.

As for Gibbs, he's a fine player but i highly doubt he'll ever make an AA midfielder or anything, he could become an AA HB but HBs aren't hard to find, personally i wouldn't swap Mark Murphy for 2 Gibbs.

 

[coryne]

People say he can't be worth much because he has only played 2 games, but the flip side of that is that he has not yet had a full pre-season and has not yet filled out physically and he is already taking big contested marks and kicking goals.

John Butcher in a year will be a very, very scary proposition for every defence in the AFL.

Exactly how many KPF make an impact at AFL level in their 3rd year ??? The kid may develop into a gun KPF, but he WILL need time to develop. If you think some junk-time goals against a non-existant backline is a guarentee of success in the near future then you will be very disappointed ...........

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Well tell me this, would you prefer to play Carlton with Gibbs and no Butcher or Butcher and no Gibbs? Gibbs is a fine player but i'm sure most unbias posters would agree a KF is much more important to the Blues at this stage, they have zero chance of a flag unless they get one ASAP IMO and if that means losing a very talented BF/Mid then so be it, promising KPFs don't come cheap.

keep telling yourself that mate, yes they need another KF but they wont trade Gibbs. I think they should trade hampson or warnock with a draft pick.

Port aren't in the box seat if he leaves, he could put a price on his head which goes beyond what port puts in front of him, if he gets picked up by GWS, Gold Coast so be it, better prospects for finals action and more money to him.

 

[QPower]

Exactly how many KPF make an impact at AFL level in their 3rd year ??? The kid may develop into a gun KPF, but he WILL need time to develop. If you think some junk-time goals against a non-existant backline is a guarentee of success in the near future then you will be very disappointed ...........

Port have a non-existent midfield which makes his effort all the better.

and btw, he is already having an impact and this is effectively his first year after missing nearly all of last season with injury.

 

[the distributer]

keep telling yourself that mate, yes they need another KF but they wont trade Gibbs. I think they should trade hampson or warnock with a draft pick.

Port aren't in the box seat if he leaves, he could put a price on his head which goes beyond what port puts in front of him, if he gets picked up by GWS, Gold Coast so be it, better prospects for finals action and more money to him.

He 'apparently' wants to go home to Vic, him getting to Vic means Port has to do a deal with one of many Melbourne clubs, Port aren't in as bad a position as you think, unless of course he says 'trade me to this club or else', can't see him doing that though, he's given Port nothing and i'm sure he'll want to see them looked after. (if he decides he wants to go of course)

 

[coryne]

Port have a non-existent midfield which makes his effort all the better.

and btw, he is already having an impact and this is effectively his first year after missing nearly all of last season with injury.

He had a great game, scoring some junk time goals in a game which was won after the 1st qtr was over. The main impact he has had is giving Port fans something to cheer about.


And what happens if he goes goalless in the next 2 games. If they put Hurley and Frawley on him and he barely touches the ball ??? Does he go from a wonder kid to a no-one because he can't kick a goal against some of the better defenders in the league ???


Seriously, he played on who in the Bulldogs game ??? Ayce Cordy ??? A beanpole ruckman who they threw back as their KPD stocks are non-existant ATM due to injuries.


I am not trying to take anything away from the kid, he did a hell of a job to get 6 goals in his second game, but people are going on like he is automatically going to be the next Carey.

 

[The Shag]

Regardless of who his direct opponent was, the way he launched into packs and players (usually marking the ball) was incredibly exciting.

Would love him in the blues forward line.. and would pay a fair bit to get him..

 

[the distributer]

He had a great game, scoring some junk time goals in a game which was won after the 1st qtr was over. The main impact he has had is giving Port fans something to cheer about.


And what happens if he goes goalless in the next 2 games. If they put Hurley and Frawley on him and he barely touches the ball ??? Does he go from a wonder kid to a no-one because he can't kick a goal against some of the better defenders in the league ???


Seriously, he played on who in the Bulldogs game ??? Ayce Cordy ??? A beanpole ruckman who they threw back as their KPD stocks are non-existant ATM due to injuries.


I am not trying to take anything away from the kid, he did a hell of a job to get 6 goals in his second game, but people are going on like he is automatically going to be the next Carey.

Who said he's going to be the next Carey? i think it's a safe bet to suggest he's a very promising KF who can provide a target, is Gibbs going to be the next diesel Williams?

 

[King Elvis]

Because Roughead just snapped his achilles, not many players come back to 100% after doing that and Butcher could play as a 3rd tall anyway if needed, or, Buddy could spend more time on the Ball.

They've got Lisle and Schoenmakers as potential forwards, they wouldn't sell the farm to get another one. If Roughy comes good, they're golden, if he doesn't, they really only need a foil for Buddy.

EDIT - And the Gibbs thing; I think I brought that up, but it was more in line with a pick in the 20s and Russell being nowhere near enough; it'd take a player of Gibbs calibre to get it done - so it wont get done. Port can't afford to lose him and come out behind.

 

[the distributer]

They've got Lisle and Schoenmakers as potential forwards, they wouldn't sell the farm to get another one. If Roughy comes good, they're golden, if he doesn't, they really only need a foil for Buddy.

EDIT - And the Gibbs thing; I think I brought that up, but it was more in line with a pick in the 20s and Russell being nowhere near enough; it'd take a player of Gibbs calibre to get it done - so it wont get done. Port can't afford to lose him and come out behind.

I'm of the opinion the Hawks could do with a genuine KF with or without Roughead, Buddy as great as he is doesn't play as a traditional KF and i think that's been the missing link at the Hawks, when they do go to him deep he has 3 defenders hanging off him most times and he isn't a great contested mark, i doubt the 2 young Hawk KBs are up to a KF role, Lisle's disposal is average.

 

[Jonts]

Still think this thread is pointless as he will stay

 

[Portmanteau]

Pointless thread, wasted 10 minutes reading, will be signed in the next couple of weeks. Thanks for posting guys.

 

[King Elvis]

I'm of the opinion the Hawks could do with a genuine KF with or without Roughead, Buddy as great as he is doesn't play as a traditional KF and i think that's been the missing link at the Hawks, when they do go to him deep he has 3 defenders hanging off him most times and he isn't a great contested mark, i doubt the 2 young Hawk KBs are up to a KF role, Lisle's disposal is average.

I don't think either of them are actually Key Defenders are they?

Know Schoey isn't, Lisle I thought was a forward too?

 

[the distributer]

I don't think either of them are actually Key Defenders are they?

Know Schoey isn't, Lisle I thought was a forward too?

Lisle played on Dawes last time we played them iirc (could of been out of need though as they were very light on for KBs in that game), did a bloody good job too, but his kicking skills are beyond help, struggled to hit a target coming out of defense, doubt he'd hit a barn door kicking inside 50, couldve been a one off but Hawks fans seemed to think it was the norm when i dropped in on their board after the game, i'd call them both KPBs, they could probably do a job on mid size fwds as well though, (Shoey can do a job as KB anyway, probably more a mid size defender though, plays a bit taller than what he is.)