John Meesen

[Drummond]

You may have thought that - but that not always the case.

You could assume that potential suitors weren't prepared top pick him up last year, he thought he would have a better chance of getting to club of choice in 1 yr. Many reasons why he only signed 1 year - liking Adelaide and and club wouldn't be high up there I would have thought ?

but lets hope your correct.

I thought I might get this response.

He had a few offers last year, including a 3 year deal from one Victorian side. Think about it for a second, do you really think he would stay at a place he didn’t really want to be at if he intended to leave? Heck no. He would’ve been out when the first opportunity arose.

 

[Cap]

I thought I might get this response.

He had a few offers last year, including a 3 year deal from one Victorian side. Think about it for a second, do you really think he would stay at a place he didn’t really want to be at if he intended to leave? Heck no. He would’ve been out when the first opportunity arose.

yeah thats true - but surely if what your saying is true re-assessing after 2 or 3 years isn't going to make that much of a difference ? and if he was that keen on the place why not already sign ?

I'm might be playing the devils advocate here but it still interests to me.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

I thought I might get this response.

He had a few offers last year, including a 3 year deal from one Victorian side. Think about it for a second, do you really think he would stay at a place he didn’t really want to be at if he intended to leave? Heck no. He would’ve been out when the first opportunity arose.

You would think so wouldn't you? Plus you look at his body language in the rooms after his debut game; he didn't look like a player who wanted out. Even reading what he said about aiming to play in the same side in Ricciuto, he sounded like he very much considered himself a part of the club. The little signs you look for of a player who wants out aren't really there from what I've seen, but we'd best play it by ear I suppose.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

He won't stay if he believes you are really going after Cameron Wood. He's already competing for the #2 spot behind Maric and Griffen, assuming Biglands goes back to the #1 ruck.

I see your point about it being odd that he hasn't made a decision though.

 

[crowsarethebest]

He won't stay if he believes you are really going after Cameron Wood. He's already competing for the #2 spot behind Maric and Griffen, assuming Biglands goes back to the #1 ruck.

I see your point about it being odd that he hasn't made a decision though.

We won't go after Wood if Meese doesn't leave. I wouldn't want 4 ruckman at the same club all the same age (Wood, Meese, Griff and Maric- all from the 2004 draft.

 

[jo172]

He won't stay if he believes you are really going after Cameron Wood..

I agree, however I don't think we're stupid enough to be targeting Cameron Wood.

The only reason people on here want Cameron Wood is because they are thinking in terms of the classic syllogism.

1. We need a ruckman.
2. Cameron Wood is a ruckman.
3. Therefore we must get Cameron Wood

Whereas the realist faction on here (and the dominating one within the club) generally realises we have 3 ruckmen on the books already who are in practically the same situation as Wood.

He's already competing for the #2 spot behind Maric and Griffen, assuming Biglands goes back to the #1 ruck.

I disagree. I believe he has as much shot as any other ruckman for number 1 Ruck. I do not believe Biglands will be able to slot back in to number 1 ruck like Huddo did for a number of reasons, namely Biglands is a worse footballer, Huddo already had 5-6 SANFL games in 2006 under his belt and since the Huddo reconstruction Messrs Griffin, Maric and Meesen have had another year's development.

I see your point about it being odd that he hasn't made a decision though.

And as another day passes it seems more unlikely to me that he's leaving.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I agree, however I don't think we're stupid enough to be targeting Cameron Wood.

The only reason people on here want Cameron Wood is because they are thinking in terms of the classic syllogism.

1. We need a ruckman.
2. Cameron Wood is a ruckman.
3. Therefore we must get Cameron Wood

LOL.

And as another day passes it seems more unlikely to me that he's leaving.

Yep, it will be interesting to see if post #42 in this thread is accurate.

 

[baaaallllll]

because they are thinking in terms of the classic syllogism.

sylog...sylogissy... syllogismmm.... whatever he said, definitely is a classic case of it.

 

[macca23]

I'm half expecting Tippett to upstage our other young bucks next year. He has the talent and the door is certainly further ajar without Hudson than with.

I'm fully expecting Tippett to upstage our other young bucks next year. Craig once said that he would have been pushing for a spot this year i he hadn't done his shoulder.

We drafted Tippett as a forward and that may well be where he plays. However, to me he looks a dead set natural ruckman - and a good one.

He really is an exciting prospect IMO.

 

[Cap]

I'm fully expecting Tippett to upstage our other young bucks next year. Craig once said that he would have been pushing for a spot this year i he hadn't done his shoulder.

We drafted Tippett as a forward and that may well be where he plays. However, to me he looks a dead set natural ruckman - and a good one.

He really is an exciting prospect IMO.

what is with us and recruiting players for one position and then they are a "natural" at another.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

I'm fully expecting Tippett to upstage our other young bucks next year. Craig once said that he would have been pushing for a spot this year i he hadn't done his shoulder.

We drafted Tippett as a forward and that may well be where he plays. However, to me he looks a dead set natural ruckman - and a good one.

He really is an exciting prospect IMO.

I deleted my post because I remembered that Tippett has been effectively pencilled in as a priority to develop up forward if Craig's comments are anything to go by.

 

[Crow-mo]

Is it really that hard to understand?

Meesen signed a 1 year deal because:

A. He obvsiously likes Adelaide and the club because lets face it, why would he re-sign if he wanted out?

B. He wanted to asses the situation in 12 months time. If he was still behind a number of ruckmen then he could opt out, if he was high on the list he would sign a more long term deal.

Reasonably simple I would’ve thought…

actually I think it was 2 fold:

1. it was a chance to see what opportunities unfolded
2. it wasn't a good time for him to try to get back to melbourne. an attempt to boost his stock for a better deal.

 

[Vader]

Meesen's stocks rise
Article from: The Advertiser

ANDREW CAPEL

September 20, 2007 02:15am

IT is D-Day for John Meesen.

The much-maligned first-round draft pick - who once appeared to be dispensable but is now highly-valuable to Adelaide after Ben Hudson's shock walk-out - will have showdown talks on his future in Melbourne today.

The out-of-contract 200cm ruckman will meet with his management group, Connors Sports Management, at lunchtime to "talk about his options".

They include re-signing with the Crows or asking for a trade - as Hudson has done - to a Victorian club. "And the decision will be based purely on football opportunities," Connors Sports' agent Lucy Mills said.

"We will sit down with John to discuss various opportunities that might be available to him and one of those, obviously, is to stay at Adelaide."

Mills said speculation that Meesen, 21, wanted to return to Melbourne because he is homesick is wrong.

"That is not the issue," she said.

"John loves living in Adelaide.

"Where he ends up will be determined by what opportunities he's presented with."

And that gives the Crows a realistic chance of re-signing him.

Adelaide has been trying to re-contract Meesen, who made his AFL debut against the Western Bulldogs in round 20 and also played in the round 21 clash against Brisbane, since midway through the year.

With No. 1 ruckman Hudson now seeking a trade to the Bulldogs, Meesen's signature has become a priority. And it might just tip the balance Adelaide's way in what is said to be a very close call.

It is understood Meesen was leaning towards a return to Victoria until Hudson's decision to quit.

"Out of every negative comes a positive and if it means John gets more opportunities and stays, that would be the positive," Crows football operations manager John Reid said of Hudson's expected departure, adding "we haven't given up on keeping Huddo".

Reid said Adelaide liked the way Meesen - who was drafted with pick No. 8 at the 2004 national draft but took until this year to debut - developed this season.

It has given him a week to decide whether he wants to stay or go.

"We are very keen to keep him, we've made no secret of that, but we need to know what he wants to do," Reid said.

"And he needs to know there are opportunities for him here."

With Hudson likely to be on the move, the Crows have only one experienced ruckman - 30-year-old Rhett Biglands, who is returning from a knee reconstruction - on its playing list.

Jonathon Griffin and Ivan Maric, who are both signed to two-year contracts, are next in line, followed by Meesen.

Reid conceded if Hudson leaves, Adelaide could suffer "some short-term pain" in the ruck.

"We're not silly enough to think we've got immediate coverage there, but we're confident the young big men we have got will develop into fine players for us," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22448052-21543,00.html

 

[fightingdreamer88]

It's funny how quickly things change but I'm now feeling somewhat confident that we'll retain him.

 

[macca23]

According to the article above, we should know later today whether Meesen is going or staying.

Surely Meesen's manager has investigated what opportunities exist for Meesen at other clubs eg Carlton, St Kilda etc

While the departure of Huddo narrows the ruck strength down to 4 - 5 if you include Tippett - Meesen would have to think that Biglands will get one spot, and he would be jostling with Maric, Griffin and maybe Tippett for that 2nd spot.

I still think that there's a good chance that he'll go.

 

[CarnCrows]

According to the article above, we should know later today whether Meesen is going or staying.

Surely Meesen's manager has investigated what opportunities exist for Meesen at other clubs eg Carlton, St Kilda etc

While the departure of Huddo narrows the ruck strength down to 4 - 5 if you include Tippett - Meesen would have to think that Biglands will get one spot, and he would be jostling with Maric, Griffin and maybe Tippett for that 2nd spot.

I still think that there's a good chance that he'll go.

I agree. Meesen may well think he is still #3 or #4 in the pecking order, even without Huddo. NC wont promise anything, nor should he, but a little persuation like "You will get a go before Biglands", would'nt go astray.

I still expect that he will want to go. Now to look at what the Saints have to offer...

 

[fightingdreamer88]

I agree. Meesen may well think he is still #3 or #4 in the pecking order, even without Huddo. NC wont promise anything, nor should he, but a little persuation like "You will get a go before Biglands", would'nt go astray.

I still expect that he will want to go. Now to look at what the Saints have to offer...

Speaking of the Saints Goose Maguire hasn't signed yet...

 

[Geoffa32]

Speaking of the Saints Goose Maguire hasn't signed yet...

Fergus Watts anyone .....?????

 

[bus24]

Any news?

 

[Hells K1tch3n]

Hey guys, im trying to stay out of the whole trading aspect of things untill Collingwoods campaign is over, but i just cant help myself.

The realisation is that if Collingwood want Judd they are going to have to offload quality, the amount of quality they have to offload can be determined on whether they can jump in on some deals where we can offload players that are surplus to our strengths, but still hold value.

One player is Josh Fraser, sure we dont have great ruck strength, but he hasnt proved to be a ruckman yet (great 200cm onballer, but taps are his strong point, but would work well in a team with good ruck strength)
With that in mind i started to think of players who have reqeusted trades other than judd, and players who may request trades.

This is what i came up with and would like a crows perspective of it, focusing more on what the crows lose/gain than others.

4 Teams: Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Bulldogs.

Coll Gain: Judd and Meesan
Coll Lose: Fraser, Cox and First Rounder
Crows Gain: Fraser, Ray, colls first rounder and 31
Crows Lose: Macgregor, Hudson, Meesan and pick 10
West Coast Gain: Picks 5, 10 and Cox
West Coast Lose: Judd and pick 31
Dogs Gain: Macgregor, Hudson
Dogs Lose: Picks 5 and Ray

 

[Eggzoi]

So basically the Crows give up players better than the ones they get in exchange for a worse draft pick + pick 31?
Not a very good deal IMO.

 

[macca23]

Any news?

Just on 5AA

His manager has told him to go away and have a think for 2 or 3 days and then make a decision.

Cornesy thinks he will go.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

so do I

 

[out of order]

if he only wants a chance and hes not homesick he'd be a moron to go anywhere but adelaide. The ruck spots are wide open for whoever wants it.

 

[Crow Chick]

Hey guys, im trying to stay out of the whole trading aspect of things untill Collingwoods campaign is over, but i just cant help myself.

The realisation is that if Collingwood want Judd they are going to have to offload quality, the amount of quality they have to offload can be determined on whether they can jump in on some deals where we can offload players that are surplus to our strengths, but still hold value.

One player is Josh Fraser, sure we dont have great ruck strength, but he hasnt proved to be a ruckman yet (great 200cm onballer, but taps are his strong point, but would work well in a team with good ruck strength)
With that in mind i started to think of players who have reqeusted trades other than judd, and players who may request trades.

This is what i came up with and would like a crows perspective of it, focusing more on what the crows lose/gain than others.

4 Teams: Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Bulldogs.

Coll Gain: Judd and Meesan
Coll Lose: Fraser, Cox and First Rounder
Crows Gain: Fraser, Ray, colls first rounder and 31
Crows Lose: Macgregor, Hudson, Meesan and pick 10
West Coast Gain: Picks 5, 10 and Cox
West Coast Lose: Judd and pick 31
Dogs Gain: Macgregor, Hudson
Dogs Lose: Picks 5 and Ray

Hmmm, somehow I think not!!! Are you serious about the Bulldogs lot ??? McGregor + Hudson are not worth Ray, then to add pick 5