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Was watching trhe tigers game yestday, and saw number 38 (Jones) and i don't think he is at the level, has he been around a bit, or is he been recently picked up. Im not usually a critic, and even garry lyon thinks he might/could/should be delisted...
 
He is the worst player I have ever seen take the field for St Kilda. At least guys like Tim Elliot and Alan Murray occasionally had a decent game.

He is a shocking kick, shits himself under any sort of pressure, refuses to use his right side at all, can't make a tackle stick, can't cleanly take possession of the ball and can't run with the footy without getting caught. And Lyon rates him in our best 22 because he can run a fast 100m at training.

I will be furious if this guy is elevated next year (too old to stay on the rookie list) while untried kids with huge talent like Brooks and Sweeney get the chop. Jones has made no positive contribution for St Kilda in his 6 games. Is easily the worst player on our list and has to go.
 
give the kid a go, he has played what about 3 games for st kilda and correct me if im wrong but didnt he come 2nd or there abouts in the WAFL best and fairest last year?
 
Jesbo said:
give the kid a go, he has played what about 3 games for st kilda and correct me if im wrong but didnt he come 2nd or there abouts in the WAFL best and fairest last year?
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He has played 6 games and in every one of them he has been a liability. His kicking is ordinary at WAFL/VFL level and it is embarrassing at AFL level.
 

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mad-saint-guy said:
He is the worst player I have ever seen take the field for St Kilda. At least guys like Tim Elliot and Alan Murray occasionally had a decent game.

He is a shocking kick, shits himself under any sort of pressure, refuses to use his right side at all, can't make a tackle stick, can't cleanly take possession of the ball and can't run with the footy without getting caught. And Lyon rates him in our best 22 because he can run a fast 100m at training.

I will be furious if this guy is elevated next year (too old to stay on the rookie list) while untried kids with huge talent like Brooks and Sweeney get the chop. Jones has made no positive contribution for St Kilda in his 6 games. Is easily the worst player on our list and has to go.
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yes he has a bad year, but give him a chance.
 
Read the HS - Jones had 11 possessions with a 36% accuracy rate. Oh dear. Should not be elevated to the senior list. Yes he can run fast, but we need players that can kick. Turnovers do cost us greatly!
 
MSG, I like the honesty in your assessments and I know being fairly young you probably didn't see us play in the 80's but saying he's the worst player you've ever seen for us is a big call. :eek:

To be honest I'm not sure if there's a place for him on our list either and I feel the same way about Brooks.
 
If that's all he's got it isn't enough. He is a dead-set liability with the pill, and he isn't as quick as he's made out to be.

I'm with MSG on this one; the lad just isn't up to it.
 
Why did we rookie list C Jones?

1. He adds much needed pace to our midfield.

2. His speed and tackle ability make him a great defensive half forward.

3. He finished 3rd in the B&F for the WAFL averaging 27 disposals and 5 marks per game.

4. He's not just an athlete, he's proven he knows how to find the footy.

Is he taking time to adjust to afl football? - Yes. Is this unreasonable - No. (He's only played 6 games of AFL!!!)

Is it not easier to take someone with speed and acceleration and attempt to improve their skills rather than take a skilled player and improve their speed?

With Jones' speed, acceleration, tackling and ability to find the football -if he had awesome skills he'd just about be referred to as chris judd!

People winge about the saints needing 'more pace' and all that crap, but people don't understand how hard it is to find a super fast and highly skilled player! There are very few who fit that category in the AFL.

He's only a rookie, we've lost absolutely nothing by rookie listing him this season. If he adjusts to the tempo of AFL footy and improves his skill level, then he's exactly what we need and we've picked him up for f#$k all.

So stop whining all you clinton jones baggers. Do you want blokes with good pace or blokes with good skill? The saints are on the right track drafting players like him, with the hope to improve his skills.
 
Absolutely, totally, 100% right, Punter. As I've said elsewhere, Jones is a future hero fo the club.
 
St DAC said:
If that's all he's got it isn't enough. He is a dead-set liability with the pill, and he isn't as quick as he's made out to be.

I'm with MSG on this one; the lad just isn't up to it.
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He's an excellent tackler, he gets the ball, he's often on the bottom of packs and - yes - as a few others have mentioned now, his skills will improve. Not only can you not teach someone how to be fast, it's also pretty hard to teach them how to be a genuine hard nut. If we can have this guy on the bottom of packs next to Ball ferrying it out to our Less Hard Brigade (Dal, Fiora, Joey, Gram), then we're onto something.

Hardness. If you think we've got a lot of it at the Saints, you're kidding yourself.
 

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You do not delist young rookie players, even if his six gaes have been useless. We have had four retirements (I think), so you would not expect many delsitings, especially somebody with pace who needs to get comfortable at the top level.
 
mad-saint-guy said:
He is the worst player I have ever seen take the field for St Kilda. At least guys like Tim Elliot and Alan Murray occasionally had a decent game.

He is a shocking kick, shits himself under any sort of pressure, refuses to use his right side at all, can't make a tackle stick, can't cleanly take possession of the ball and can't run with the footy without getting caught. And Lyon rates him in our best 22 because he can run a fast 100m at training.

I will be furious if this guy is elevated next year (too old to stay on the rookie list) while untried kids with huge talent like Brooks and Sweeney get the chop. Jones has made no positive contribution for St Kilda in his 6 games. Is easily the worst player on our list and has to go.
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whoa ! worst player ever :eek:... give him a go ... and there is no way he is worse than Elliot.

his first few games I thought his pressure & tackling were great. He did look a bit lost on the weekend, but he's only played 6 games

anyone remember how long Hodge took to come on ? or Goddard?

give him a chance -
 
sainter_girl said:
anyone remember how long Hodge took to come on ? or Goddard?
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Time was on their side though, Jones turns 24 before next season starts.

I don't think he can stay on the rookie list, so it's a big call whether or not to keep him. He seemed like a good idea in theory, drafting a mature age player with good pace, but his disposal lets him down too much and I'm not sure we can remedy that any time soon. I suspect we'd be better off letting him go, developing Brad Howard and drafting another kid with speed.
 
Punter! said:
Why did we rookie list C Jones?

1. He adds much needed pace to our midfield.

2. His speed and tackle ability make him a great defensive half forward.

3. He finished 3rd in the B&F for the WAFL averaging 27 disposals and 5 marks per game.

4. He's not just an athlete, he's proven he knows how to find the footy.

Is he taking time to adjust to afl football? - Yes. Is this unreasonable - No. (He's only played 6 games of AFL!!!)

Is it not easier to take someone with speed and acceleration and attempt to improve their skills rather than take a skilled player and improve their speed?

With Jones' speed, acceleration, tackling and ability to find the football -if he had awesome skills he'd just about be referred to as chris judd!

People winge about the saints needing 'more pace' and all that crap, but people don't understand how hard it is to find a super fast and highly skilled player! There are very few who fit that category in the AFL.

He's only a rookie, we've lost absolutely nothing by rookie listing him this season. If he adjusts to the tempo of AFL footy and improves his skill level, then he's exactly what we need and we've picked him up for f#$k all.

So stop whining all you clinton jones baggers. Do you want blokes with good pace or blokes with good skill? The saints are on the right track drafting players like him, with the hope to improve his skills.
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I'd take it one further and suggest that all saints supporters hold back in criticising our developing players, fair enough with blokes who have played alot of footy, but kids? what's the point? we sainters all over the place seem to be far too quick at this. now the young bloke Mc Gough springs to mind, could get plenty of footy, but by the time he finnished he was so damned scared to kick it (pressure from all places) that he was stuffed! if he was able to just do what he was good at, then who knows? if Jones is a shit kick then it's going to take him 500 - 700 hours to rectify, if he gets too much pressure, then he'll be stuffed too and there will be another one wasted; I say give them all a go.
 
To all the people claiming that he just needs time to develop and is just adjusting to the pace like Hodge and Goddard:

Hodge and Goddard were both number one draft picks. They have always had superb skills, a good size and both read the play very well. Neither of them had a huge impact in their first couple of years, but they showed signs of being very good players of the future. They both kicked on when they were 21 and are both gun players.

Jones also would have been doing absolutely everything to get drafted when he was 17. And when he was 18. 19, 20...21...22...Then he had a good season in the WAFL and we thought he might be worth a punt on the rookie list at age 23. He is physically developed, he would have been trying to improve his skills since he was 10 and he was given a good go in the seniors this year. His performance was embarrassing to the footy club and he should be delisted.

I think the myth about him being good in his first few games came about because they were all wins. He was dropped after his first game (the great win against the Bulldogs), was crap in his second game against Carlton (which was our first win in 3 weeks) and did more of the same against Sydney (very impressive win from the side).

During those great games for the club everyone was thrilled to have a quick new guy that looked like Riewoldt playing. When he came back (with the exact same level of performance) he played in some shocking games and then people realised how costly his turnovers and fumbles were.

The guy will be 24 by the start of next season and would have to be on the senior list. Every AFL recruiter deemed that he didn't have the ability to play at the highest level for 4 years in a row. Our recruiter was then told to look for a ready made midfielder with pace and agression. We thought that Jones might be worth a punt and that we might be able to help with his disposal. It was simply a cheap punt that didn't come off.
 

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Didn't start playing regular league footy for South until he was 21/22, not sure if he even played colts at all. His skills can be good on occasions, had about 20 kicks and kicked 4 goals in the state game against SA last year. Might just be a confidence issue.
 
he was pretty highly rated in WA, if the saints persist with him i reckon they'll be rewarded.
 
MSG and other passionate Saints fans need to realise that the Rookie system is for guys like Jones. He will be a 6 out of 10 player, with pace and passion, a future lock down, now that Attard is out and Bakes for 25% of the season. Had a hammy and collarbone injury this year. He has done very well and if you really are mad saints fans you dont bag our players on this forum.
Our rookies have been good this year, Geary will be a very good AFL player, possibly take Harves mid field spot, Van Rheenan will make it as has Jones already. Its a big stage AFL, and you need to develop players and cant always have them handed on a platter unless you want to finish last every year.
Barry Brooks should go, but may survive if we cant find any other ruckman.
 
BrianSpeaking said:
MSG and other passionate Saints fans need to realise that the Rookie system is for guys like Jones. He will be a 6 out of 10 player, with pace and passion, a future lock down, now that Attard is out and Bakes for 25% of the season.
Our rookies have been good this year, Geary will be a very good AFL player, possibly take Harves mid field spot, Van Rheenan will make it as has Jones already.
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I don't have any problem with us drafting Jones as a rookie. He was a very good WAFL player and seemed to suit our needs. There was always a huge question mark over his skills, but we would have been hopeful that they would improve with some elite coaching.

Unfortunately his skills will never get any better (ala McGough) and he just isn't good enough to be an AFL player. In his 6 games he was terrible (negative impact on the team) in 5 and just a passenger in 1.

No outside midfielder can get by with just pace and passion. The single most important attribute of an outside midfielder is their kicking. Jones' kicking is exposed in the VFL and his pace is rendered useless by his inability to cleanly take possession of the ball and dispose of it properly. The one time I saw him actually try to run with the footy he was ran down by a player who started his chase about 8m away from Jones.

Overall I think our rookie selections were excellent. I agree that Geary will make it (has all the tools to have an impact in 2008), Attard is a handy GOP and Eddy could be a solid player. However you can not say that Van Rheenen will make it at this point. Right now he is a 19 year old ruckman who is still adjusting to the pace and quality of the VFL reserves. He has a lot of development left, but he is miles away at the moment and might never reach the level required. I don't know how you can say that Jones has made it, considering that he has never contributed to the side.
 

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