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[Vader]

The interesting thing with Browns penalty is it wasnt picked up during the race, and the social media outcry was massive.

The Mount Gambier boy Kai Allen is making a huge late run for the finals with 2 podiums on the weekend.

Hill is a moron, good luck with him next year Mr Jones.

It was picked up during the race. It's normal for this type of offence to be investigated post-race, in case it was caused by some sort of mechanical defect (i.e. mitigating circumstances).

Kai Allen did really well over the weekend, and is now sitting in 11th position - only 20 pts behind 10th. He has a pretty fair chance of making it through to the finals in his debut season, which would be a very impressive effort!

 

[Cromulant]

It was picked up during the race. It's normal for this type of offence to be investigated post-race, in case it was caused by some sort of mechanical defect (i.e. mitigating circumstances).

Kai Allen did really well over the weekend, and is now sitting in 11th position - only 20 pts behind 10th. He has a pretty fair chance of making it through to the finals in his debut season, which would be a very impressive effort!

Those cars are quick, and if they do get through to Adelaide theyll be the biggest threat to Red Bull IMO. Theyve used some crafty strategy to make the best of bad situations thus far.

And on the spinning wheel, its actually rare for it to be be dealt with post race, but with everything else going on I guess its not a surprise.

Good event too, Tony Quinn does some very good work with his facilities.

 

[Vader]

Those cars are quick, and if they do get through to Adelaide theyll be the biggest threat to Red Bull IMO. Theyve used some crafty strategy to make the best of bad situations thus far.

And on the spinning wheel, its actually rare for it to be be dealt with post race, but with everything else going on I guess its not a surprise.

Good event too, Tony Quinn does some very good work with his facilities.

Kai Allen was VERY lucky in Sunday's race. His podium on Saturday was based on merit - his Sunday podium was largely due to luck. Allen (and Heimgartner & Waters) got very lucky with the timing of the SC, allowing them to take both compulsory pit stops under yellow before the other cars were allowed to speed up to catch the SC. This allowed them to jump from a mid-teens track position to positions 1-3 on the track.

Then, when the race re-started, he had Heimgartner behind him, acting like a mobile road block - preventing anyone other than Feeney from overtaking. By the time they managed to get past Heimgartner, Allen & Waters were so far up the road that they couldn't catch them - and the shenanigans between Wood & Brown just compounded the situation.

 

[Cromulant]

Kai Allen was VERY lucky in Sunday's race. His podium on Saturday was based on merit - his Sunday podium was largely due to luck. Allen (and Heimgartner & Waters) got very lucky with the timing of the SC, allowing them to take both compulsory pit stops under yellow before the other cars were allowed to speed up to catch the SC. This allowed them to jump from a mid-teens track position to positions 1-3 on the track.

Then, when the race re-started, he had Heimgartner behind him, acting like a mobile road block - preventing anyone other than Feeney from overtaking. By the time they managed to get past Heimgartner, Allen & Waters were so far up the road that they couldn't catch them - and the shenanigans between Wood & Brown just compounded the situation.

I think they need to tidy up that SC loophole.

2 of the 3 podium getters probably didnt get there on merit, and Mostert finished 6th as well after not really being a factor.

 

[Vader]

Brown's penalty for the rotating wheel dropped him down to 26th, which dropped him back to 3rd in the Drivers Championship. He's now 10 points behind Matt Payne, who didn't have a great series of races over the weekend.

Both Payne & Brown are 600+ points clear of 10th and have thus qualified for the Finals. However, rankings determine the number of bonus points they are allocated at the start of the finals - so being 2nd is still better than being 3rd.

 

[Vader]

I think they need to tidy up that SC loophole.

2 of the 3 podium getters probably didnt get there on merit, and Mostert finished 6th as well after not really being a factor.

Mostert benefited from the Brown/Wood shenanigans, but it was otherwise on merit.

It's also worth noting that he copped a 5 second penalty for nailing De Pasquale, without which he would have finished 4th.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

The PaperClip delivered. Never thought i'd say that

 

[BomberFan355]

It was picked up during the race. It's normal for this type of offence to be investigated post-race, in case it was caused by some sort of mechanical defect (i.e. mitigating circumstances).

Imagine if that happened in the final race at Adelaide to decide the Title, they wanna do it quicker than that.

Kai Allen did really well over the weekend, and is now sitting in 11th position - only 20 pts behind 10th. He has a pretty fair chance of making it through to the finals in his debut season, which would be a very impressive effort!

He has been doing well, him and Waters got very lucky yesterday though.

 

[BomberFan355]

The PaperClip delivered. Never thought i'd say that

For a short track it has plenty of overtaking opportunities and plenty of panel beating opportunities as well!

 

[Cromulant]

I’m not a fan at all. They should try and copy something molded from how the Scottish Premier League does their playoffs but adjusted for motor racing. There’s no reward from each qualifying part of the season for the points you have racked up.

Well there is, but I get what you're saying.

Its the first year of it, im sure theyll iron out the kinks.

 

[Vader]

I’m not a fan at all. They should try and copy something molded from how the Scottish Premier League does their playoffs but adjusted for motor racing. There’s no reward from each qualifying part of the season for the points you have racked up.

What are you talking about?

The winners of the Sprint Cup and Enduro Cup receive 25 bonus points, and drivers also receive bonus points dependent upon where they finished the previous stage.

At this stage Feeney would be starting the finals with 3175 points - meaning that he could crash out of 1 race at GC and still be all but assured of qualifying for the second stage of the finals at Sandown.

Don't forget that the Finals races are worth 150 points for a win (and so forth down the line), with a maximum of 300 points on offer for the 2 races for each Finals round. Thus, Feeney's 154 point advantage over the 10th placed driver is significant.

 

[Lebbo73]

Well there is, but I get what you're saying.

Its the first year of it, im sure theyll iron out the kinks.

I’m not a fan at all. They should try and copy something molded from how the Scottish Premier League does their playoffs but adjusted for motor racing. There’s no reward from each qualifying part of the season for the points you have racked up.

 

[Lebbo73]

I deleted the post for some reason

 

[Lebbo73]

What are you talking about?

The winners of the Sprint Cup and Enduro Cup receive 25 bonus points, and drivers also receive bonus points dependent upon where they finished the previous stage.

At this stage Feeney would be starting the finals with 3175 points - meaning that he could crash out of 1 race at GC and still be all but assured of qualifying for the second stage of the finals at Sandown.

If a driver has built up an insurmountable lead before the finals, he can be run down. I’ll never acknowledge anyone else as the champion in that situation. By the finals, Feeney might be in that position.

 

[Vader]

If a driver has built up an insurmountable lead before the finals, he can be run down. I’ll never acknowledge anyone else as the champion in that situation. By the finals, Feeney might be in that position.

That's the whole point of finals - to put an end to dead rubbers at the end of the season. It's no different to AFL finals, where the potential exists for the #1 team to not even make the GF.

 

[Lebbo73]

That's the whole point of finals - to put an end to dead rubbers at the end of the season. It's no different to AFL finals, where the potential exists for the #1 team to not even make the GF.

You don’t have finals in motor racing. You have races and the best driver over the season wins it.

 

[Cromulant]

You don’t have finals in motor racing. You have races and the best driver over the season wins it.

And they likely still will.

 

[Vader]

You don’t have finals in motor racing. You have races and the best driver over the season wins it.

Yeah... that's not true either. It's true in some formulas, but not all. NASCAR has finals, just as Supercars now does. F1 does not.

Given the bonus points system, it is still highly likely that the best driver (Feeney) will win the Championship anyway.

 

[Vader]

Imagine if that happened in the final race at Adelaide to decide the Title, they wanna do it quicker than that.

There's a bit more information on the Brown pitstop here:
https://speedcafe.com/supercars-new...ensland-raceway-lucky-dogs-reaction-comments/

The reason they delayed the call was to determine whether it was caused by a car problem or a driver problem. A car problem results in a fine, while a driver problem results in a time penalty.

It appears that Brown engaged the line locker as required, and had the requisite 20 bar of brake pressure applied - but this was counteracted by him popping the clutch and hitting the accelerator, which was sufficient to overcome the braking and cause the wheels to turn. Drivers aren't supposed to drop the clutch until the car hits the ground - Brown was seeking a competitive advantage, which backfired on him rather spectacularly.

 

[Cromulant]

I dont mind the finals thing

Id have a "win and youre in" thing for Bathurst personally

 

[Vader]

I dont mind the finals thing

Id have a "win and youre in" thing for Bathurst personally

So would I - but they do have a "win the Enduro Cup and you're in" - and the Enduro Cup only has The Bend 500 and Bathurst 1000 races.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

You don’t have finals in motor racing. You have races and the best driver over the season wins it.

Thank ** someone other than me ***** gets it.

 

[Cromulant]

Thank ** someone other than me ***** gets it.

No, it just means weve got 2 nuffies

 

[BomberFan355]

There's a bit more information on the Brown pitstop here:
https://speedcafe.com/supercars-new...ensland-raceway-lucky-dogs-reaction-comments/

The reason they delayed the call was to determine whether it was caused by a car problem or a driver problem. A car problem results in a fine, while a driver problem results in a time penalty.

It appears that Brown engaged the line locker as required, and had the requisite 20 bar of brake pressure applied - but this was counteracted by him popping the clutch and hitting the accelerator, which was sufficient to overcome the braking and cause the wheels to turn. Drivers aren't supposed to drop the clutch until the car hits the ground - Brown was seeking a competitive advantage, which backfired on him rather spectacularly.

Yeah I get all that and it’s fair enough. I’m just imagining the debacle it would be if it was to decide a title, waiting 4-5 hours to see who won.

 

[Lebbo73]

No, it just means weve got 2 nuffies

Why do you need a final series to satisfy your two inches? This isn’t AFL.