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There's the effect on team culture trading Barlow or Hill.

Barlow is the good news story of our team and pretty much the league. Respected and a leader. That is not easily replaceable.

Hill is a west aussie kid who once again is massive part of the substance of our team.

Do people honestly not include this kind of stuff in the equation when suggesting deals or players we should trade?


In my opinion the Fremantle Football Club has two separate identities. The first is the history before Round 2 of 2010 and the second after Round 2 of 2010. On that day Michael Barlow got 34 possessions and we beat Essendon in Melbourne. On that day we changed as a club and we haven't looked back. Michael Barlow more than anyone else changed the culture of the club, for the better. He is off limits for trading.
 
What? Suban maybe, but Barlow?

I can't think of what we could possibly get in return to make trading Barlow worth it.


Melbourne want midfielders, and have either pick 2 (which they have said is on the table) or Hogan available. If Melbourne took Suban and Barlow for some deal that involved either Hogan or pick 2, would you take it? We'd have to look at it wouldn't we?
 

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Melbourne want midfielders, and have either pick 2 (which they have said is on the table) or Hogan available. If Melbourne took Suban and Barlow for some deal that involved either Hogan or pick 2, would you take it? We'd have to look at it wouldn't we?

Well yeah, but Melbourne aren't going to trade Hogan for Barlow (even if we threw in Suban). But I was more looking at the Reid deal with Sydney and the comment that Barlow was being looked at as part of that deal. Sydney don't really have the picks or the sort of player that would be on the table that would warrant Barlow being considered.
 
Melbourne want midfielders, and have either pick 2 (which they have said is on the table) or Hogan available. If Melbourne took Suban and Barlow for some deal that involved either Hogan or pick 2, would you take it? We'd have to look at it wouldn't we?

If you change that sentence to Suban and Michie/Mellington then yes I would consider it and I like Suban a lot.

But it would have to be of that type to trade away players who are buying in. Look at the Sydney example - they bring players into their culture from other clubs with success all the time but rarely trade away players unless the player is very keen to go (Jolly, White are examples cannot think of many leaving the Swans). If you want to build a culture you don't go shopping players who are keen to stay and are contributing.
 
If you change that sentence to Suban and Michie/Mellington then yes I would consider it and I like Suban a lot.

But it would have to be of that type to trade away players who are buying in. Look at the Sydney example - they bring players into their culture from other clubs with success all the time but rarely trade away players unless the player is very keen to go (Jolly, White are examples cannot think of many leaving the Swans). If you want to build a culture you don't go shopping players who are keen to stay and are contributing.



Suban and Michie aren't going to cut it though for that kind of deal.
If (and this is all idle speculation on my part) Barlow really is on the table, Michie's situation probably has something to do with it.
If the club rates Michie as highly as many on here, they may well be thinking that Michie can step into Barlow's position, so we trade Mick B at the top of his value to get something juicy and simultaneously use this as leverage to keep Viv. As I say all speculation, but remotely plausible.
 
get that Barlow a big part of culture and etc. MIGHT wnat to head home though.
Other thing is he said a COMPLICATED DEAL
so we'd likely recieve more than just Reid, maybe a midfielder??
 
Melbourne want midfielders, and have either pick 2 (which they have said is on the table) or Hogan available. If Melbourne took Suban and Barlow for some deal that involved either Hogan or pick 2, would you take it? We'd have to look at it wouldn't we?
The amount of talk about Hogan is getting annoying now. We aren't getting him. Paul Roos has already stated that he wants him to sign a long term deal. He'll be offered a fair bit of coin. IF he were to leave, there'd be 17 other clubs ready to pounce. Guys here need to give it up, it seems highly unlikely. Lets just talk about 2014, as he's clearly not apart of it.
 
Suban and Michie aren't going to cut it though for that kind of deal.
If (and this is all idle speculation on my part) Barlow really is on the table, Michie's situation probably has something to do with it.
If the club rates Michie as highly as many on here, they may well be thinking that Michie can step into Barlow's position, so we trade Mick B at the top of his value to get something juicy and simultaneously use this as leverage to keep Viv. As I say all speculation, but remotely plausible.
I get what you're saying, but I can't believe I have to say it again. (This isn't a shot at you) People, please use your brains, it's soo ridiculously obvious that we wont trade Mundy/Barlow/Fyfe, seriously people that's beyond commonsense. Can we use our brains now?
 
Why do people keep bringing up Barlow as trade bait? It better be complete bullshit.

It would destroy the fabric of the team to trade him out. Everyone loves him, especially after what he has gone through.

Was interesting speaking to Sylvia in LA, and how when they delisted James McDonald it just screwed the whole place up. He didn't want to leave, the others wanted him to stay, he was crying, etc.

There's a bigger picture involved. You might be able to bring someone in that you want, but the effect on the playing group could be disastrous and completely destroy any benefit from acquiring say Hogan.
 
I love Micky B, but to get quality you have to let go of quality. Sydney is not a team who is difficient in the midfield, so I don't know why they keep coming up. It would be picks for sure if Ried was the target.
It would be a Melbourne club with a weak midfield if MB/Suban/Viv were involved.
 

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If we end up at the end of this trading period with a 0.7 goal a game key forward and a 19 possession a game Melbourne mid-fielder I'll be underwhelmed to say the least.
 
I love Micky B, but to get quality you have to let go of quality. Sydney is not a team who is difficient in the midfield, so I don't know why they keep coming up. It would be picks for sure if Ried was the target.
It would be a Melbourne club with a weak midfield if MB/Suban/Viv were involved.

Barlow was 7th favourite for the Brownlow a couple of weeks ago. He's certainly quality. Next year he should be even better.
 
We are talking about Sam Reid from Sydney aren't we. This has been his break out season and he has kicked a total of 7 goals. To me he looks like a poor man's Justin Koschitzke.
This was his breakout season, ohh you've only just realized who Sam Reid is, that's cool. This year was his worst year by a long shot. Add that to the fact he was injured and it shows how much you know about him. Who are you anyway?
 

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We are talking about Sam Reid from Sydney aren't we. This has been his break out season and he has kicked a total of 7 goals. To me he looks like a poor man's Justin Koschitzke.


Bit harsh isn't it? You say it was a break out year for him, yet he only played about 10 minutes of football after Rd 9. He'll end up a much better player than Koschitzke regardless.
 
If we end up at the end of this trading period with a 0.7 goal a game key forward and a 19 possession a game Melbourne mid-fielder I'll be underwhelmed to say the least.

Just lol. Reid had 2 quad injuries.

Reid, when fit, would be the perfect foil for Pav. Hard leading, very strong over head.
 
I would like to see the club chase someone like Kristian Jacsch (GWS pick 12, 2012). Drafted last year he would be contracted. But with Cameron, Patton and possibly Boyd it will make it very difficult for him forward to say the least, although he can play back as well. I would be happy to package our 1st rounder with a player for the deal.
 
Reid should be the target, young and great talent. IF we somehow get him he can be molded either up forward or down back. Obviously we'd try him up forward first.
If they have gotten Reid to agree to come, then just send the Swans our first round pick, deal done.
 

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