Knightmare's Collingwood List Management 2012

[Snoop Dog]

Just looking at his highlights and write-up, we'd be absolutely laughing if Brodie Grundy was available at any of our picks in the draft. Just the type of ruckman we would be screaming out for. Rendell seems to have high praise for him too according to afl website. Unlikely though as he is touted to be inside the first 7 picked and pretty much the best big man in the draft.

he will go in top 5 if not the top 3

 

[Snoop Dog]

Are there any state league ruckman going around that are worth a look at Knight. I ask because as nice as Giles would be it seems pretty clear that he is not on our recruiters radar. Probably because we are intent on retaining our picks inside the top 25.

The only state league one I think has some scope is Hannath but you would be hard pressed to bring him in. YOu could have a look at Sinclair or Tighe who went west and done well.

I think our go is to blood Witts if they choose not to hit anyone this year and then assess the FA next year who could be in the mix. I am hearing McOntosh will go to Cats for a circa #35 pick and I would be happy to use our #39 on either McIntosh or Giles.

 

[gifted1]

dayle garlett is the one i'd love to fall
special talent
discipline issues aside....
would step straight into our line up next year he is that good.
everything we need, pace, skill, ball carrier, can win his own or receive...
a move to a strong melbourne club with strong leadership would work wonders for him

 

[Knightmare]

Are there any state league ruckman going around that are worth a look at Knight. I ask because as nice as Giles would be it seems pretty clear that he is not on our recruiters radar. Probably because we are intent on retaining our picks inside the top 25.

I expect you are right about Giles.


Sean Tighe and Jack Hannath are the two some like. Daniel Currie is still going around then Mark Seaby who from memory is one of your favourites might be that other option and of these probably my preference to be honest.

Tighe is more a versatile no.2 ruckman but has played as a no.1 ruckman this season and has had strong success at this in the WAFL. Can play key position either end also to a reasonable level. Might feature in the rookie draft for a team looking for this type.

Jack Hannath is highly rated by some but wouldn't be my pick. He is more your Josh Fraser ruckman who is good around the ground but offers little to nothing as a tap ruckman. Personally would stay away from.

Currie has been ok but hasn't dominated to the level I had expected but could again be an option.

Then Seaby has been mostly solid both at AFL level and in the WAFL.


Another type who I didn't include on this list because he is still a developing type is Cameron Symonds who I expect to feature in the national draft. Similar age to Witts and is a tall (205cm, 100kg) ruckman with a real presence to him. I really like his game being that big improver who plays with a great physicality to him. Competes well at ground level. Long kick and has at times hits the scoreboard which is encouraging.
Like Witts and our other ruckmen is that year or two off being AFL quality and as a result probably not right for our situation.

So I'd lean towards Seaby who I expect in the immediate would be the only one who at AFL level can really compete to the level we require - perhaps an option as a late/rookie selection to get that necessary depth to backup Jolly allowing us to move Wood on while Witts and Ceglar develop for another couple of seasons.

 

[HFF]

he will go in top 5 if not the top 3

Yep, that's what I thought.

I'm holding out hope for Troy Menzel. Exactly the type of half-forward again we'd be screaming out for.

Again, mail is we are keen on him and Rendell massive fan.

What are his chances Snoop to get to one of our picks?

 

[Snoop Dog]

Yep, that's what I thought.

I'm holding out hope for Troy Menzel. Exactly the type of half-forward again we'd be screaming out for.

Again, mail is we are keen on him and Rendell massive fan.

What are his chances Snoop to get to one of our picks?

Very high. I don't think a recruiter is going to risk their only Rd 1 pick on him so as long as he gets past the Dogs which I think is a given as i think they will have Mayes and Orourke and then he gets pass GWS then I think we are real shows. Unfortunately I think GWS will take him at #13

 

[gifted1]

no point spending one of our picks on a stop gap ruckman
just keep the stop gap we have, wood, costs nothing
why spend a top 40 pick on one that we will only use if jolly gets injured, and only for 1-2 years until ceglar and witts are fit.
better off just keeping wood on minimum wage. He actually isnt that bad as a back up, there are not many first choice rucks that dont get their arse handed to them by nicnat and cox, let alone no.2/state league rucks

 

[Quicky]

The only state league one I think has some scope is Hannath but you would be hard pressed to bring him in. YOu could have a look at Sinclair or Tighe who went west and done well.

I think our go is to blood Witts if they choose not to hit anyone this year and then assess the FA next year who could be in the mix. I am hearing McOntosh will go to Cats for a circa #35 pick and I would be happy to use our #39 on either McIntosh or Giles.

My feeling is that 39 probably isn't enough for either McIntosh or Giles. Considering there is a good chance we won't use that pick it would be a good get for us though.

I expect you are right about Giles.

Sean Tighe and Jack Hannath are the two some like. Daniel Currie is still going around then Mark Seaby who from memory is one of your favourites might be that other option and of these probably my preference to be honest.

Tighe is more a versatile no.2 ruckman but has played as a no.1 ruckman this season and has had strong success at this in the WAFL. Can play key position either end also to a reasonable level. Might feature in the rookie draft for a team looking for this type.

I do like Seaby. I think he offers us similar to Woods in terms of his tap ruckwork but much more in terms of his boundary ruck work and physical presence. A ruck and ruck only to be true but he will be no pushover. Which is all we need.

I didn't realise Tighe was a realistic ruck option. Is his ruck work very good? I really like him as a player, at least what I remember from his junior days. A tall utility would be great as he could be used in a number of positions in the twos and fit around our development needs with our other talls. But be brought in to play a role in the seniors.

 

[Knightmare]

dayle garlett is the one i'd love to fall
special talent
discipline issues aside....
would step straight into our line up next year he is that good.
everything we need, pace, skill, ball carrier, can win his own or receive...
a move to a strong melbourne club with strong leadership would work wonders for him

Quietly I think Dayle might just slide to our selection and be available so the chances might be greater than many realise of him being one of our selections.

Have to agree. Sensational talent and he has put his head down this year so I would not be opposed to selecting him with one of our hopefully three 1st round selections.

 

[Knightmare]

I do like Seaby. I think he offers us similar to Woods in terms of his tap ruckwork but much more in terms of his boundary ruck work and physical presence. A ruck and ruck only to be true but he will be no pushover. Which is all we need.

I didn't realise Tighe was a realistic ruck option. Is his ruck work very good? I really like him as a player, at least what I remember from his junior days. A tall utility would be great as he could be used in a number of positions in the twos and fit around our development needs with our other talls. But be brought in to play a role in the seniors.

I agree with your comments re Seaby and I'm increasingly opening my mind to him as a possibility. Wood just gets shifted too easily - despite carrying weight he just doesn't have the strength through the legs or core to compete or hold his position which Seaby does allowing him to a reasonably competitive ruckman. Much better competitor and on a contender a more suitable depth option.

Tighe I think was around 3rd overall in hitouts in the WAFL from memory this year which is a pretty reasonable effort. I think we might be better served by Gault who is much the same thing as that athletic tall who can play multiple positions and step into the ruck when required. At AFL level I expect Tighe to be monstered by the better quality ruckmen so as a no.1 ruckman while he performed this role to a solid level in the WAFL I don't see it at AFL level with a no.2 ruck role probably more what a club might be looking at with him.

 

[Snoop Dog]

My feeling is that 39 probably isn't enough for either McIntosh or Giles. Considering there is a good chance we won't use that pick it would be a good get for us though.



I do like Seaby. I think he offers us similar to Woods in terms of his tap ruckwork but much more in terms of his boundary ruck work and physical presence. A ruck and ruck only to be true but he will be no pushover. Which is all we need.

I didn't realise Tighe was a realistic ruck option. Is his ruck work very good? I really like him as a player, at least what I remember from his junior days. A tall utility would be great as he could be used in a number of positions in the twos and fit around our development needs with our other talls. But be brought in to play a role in the seniors.

yeah i would have thought #39 wasn't enough but north are talking about accepting Geelongs #36 so could be something we swap some draft picks for or something and then get into a low 30's. I would jump at that and staggered the club wouldn't prioritise it. They genuinely must be thinking that Witts will be ready, or that they will keep Wood or they have their eyes on someone.

I wouldn't want Seaby. he was average at best in the games I saw him in and would much prefer they target someone else. I think he is very one dimensional.

Tighe isn't a great ruck but he has a leap on him, gets himself around the ground really well and whilst he could be monstered but the big boys he might be the best of the rest. Can certainly push fwd to.

Just re the picks i think they will use #39 and I think maybe even the #57 pick. I heard what Walsh said but i think he was more talking about they weren't sure what they would end up with and that Stewart might not be rated to that pick (i.e. they could have had him in the 60's or later). I think that was what happened as if they had him around 50 or so then I think they would have committed they just don't rate him that high and to be i agree. I know Knighta has held a different view as he ranks much higher and I see the potential but geez I saw him maybe 5 times this year and not once did i see anything other than potential.

Anyway my hope at least is;


In: Lynch, YOung,
Out: Wellingham, Dawes, Wood, Rounds, Buckley, Ugle, Tarrant.

Maybe they will promote Williams but that would be 4 picks and frankly i would keep Williams as a rookie and bring him up when someone is inj as got to think the #57 might be valuable.

If they don't get Young then I think there are a couple of state leaguers they could go that would give them that style of player (e.g. Ben Ross or Marlon Motlop who I cannot believe more people don't talk about) and they might be inclined to want to use a pick to get Towers as well.

 

[Chris25]

Jack Hannath is highly rated by some but wouldn't be my pick. He is more your Josh Fraser ruckman who is good around the ground but offers little to nothing as a tap ruckman. Personally would stay away from.

Sorry for the intrusion, but you know how I am about my SA boys.

And I couldn't disagree more in regards to Hannath. When he was first overlooked as an 18 year old, he probably was more like a Josh Fraser type ruckman. But in the three years since, he has tranformed his body and has put on a good 15kg. If anything, he is now more of your Jonathon Giles type - big, strong and physical in the contests, with a big kick and strong mark. His tap work is pretty good too, he isn't the most technical looking ruckman out there but he gets results.

It says more about the ruck stocks this year than anything else, but he'd be the #2 in my eyes and the most immediate option.

 

[tazzawazza]

My Solutions:

Medium Defender - Bring in Clinton Young (FA0

Small Defender - Nathan Hovrat (Pick 17) - 174 cm small defender who averaged 25.8 disposals a game in the TAC cup

Power Forwards - Quintin Lynch (FA) and Jake Stringer (Pick 18) - Jake stringer is 191 cm, 98 kg, kicked around 25 goals in the TAC cup (and he was injured). Got a perfect score in set shots in the draft combine (we have never had a power forward that can kick like that)

Ruckman - Giles (Trade Wood, Rounds/- and pick 39

WHY WE SHOULD NOT TRADE DAWES:

He has one bad year, during 2010-2011 he kicked 61 goals (which incredible at that age)

Do you guys remember Jarrad Roughead when he started? Hawk supporters named him one of the worst pick 2s ever. Also Tom Hawkins??? He was voted one of the worst players to ever win a premiership.. Look at him now!!

If we can get Lynch, Dawes can only concentrate on kicking goals, with Stringer and Paine putting pressure on his spot. I reckon it would be a big loss if we lose Dawes. The only feasible trade that I see from losing Dawes to melbourne is:

Chris Dawes, Cameron Wood + Pick 39 for Pick 4 (Use it on ruckman Brodie Grundy)

 

[RuFiO]

My Solutions:

Medium Defender - Bring in Clinton Young (FA0

Small Defender - Nathan Hovrat (Pick 17) - 174 cm small defender who averaged 25.8 disposals a game in the TAC cup

Power Forwards - Quintin Lynch (FA) and Jake Stringer (Pick 18) - Jake stringer is 191 cm, 98 kg, kicked around 25 goals in the TAC cup (and he was injured). Got a perfect score in set shots in the draft combine (we have never had a power forward that can kick like that)

Ruckman - Giles (Trade Wood, Rounds/- and pick 39

WHY WE SHOULD NOT TRADE DAWES:

He has one bad year, during 2010-2011 he kicked 61 goals (which incredible at that age)

Do you guys remember Jarrad Roughead when he started? Hawk supporters named him one of the worst pick 2s ever. Also Tom Hawkins??? He was voted one of the worst players to ever win a premiership.. Look at him now!!

If we can get Lynch, Dawes can only concentrate on kicking goals, with Stringer and Paine putting pressure on his spot. I reckon it would be a big loss if we lose Dawes. The only feasible trade that I see from losing Dawes to melbourne is:

Chris Dawes, Cameron Wood + Pick 39 for Pick 4 (Use it on ruckman Brodie Grundy)

 

[tazzawazza]

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[RuFiO]

?

Well, you can't just bundle up a pile of duds and a crap draft pick for something good.
As awesome as it'd be that quantity > quality, that's just not how it is.

 

[tazzawazza]

Well, you can't just bundle up a pile of duds and a crap draft pick for something good.
As awesome as it'd be that quantity > quality, that's just not how it is.

It was my opinion, can you think of something better?

FYI, Collingwood are actually looking to get Young and Stringer

 

[gifted1]

Tw all ur proposals are ludicrous
You cannot package up multiples and get something good
Haha
Wood Dawes and pick 39 for pick 4
Give me a break. Wood is a candidate for delisting and pick 39 is almost a 3rd choice.
You have no clue
60 goals over 2 seasons when we played a full finals series also for a 22 - 23 year old kpf in a team that over 2010 and 2011 kicked mountains of goals is not the incredible result you claim it is. Pretty ordinary really.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Sorry for the intrusion, but you know how I am about my SA boys.

And I couldn't disagree more in regards to Hannath. When he was first overlooked as an 18 year old, he probably was more like a Josh Fraser type ruckman. But in the three years since, he has tranformed his body and has put on a good 15kg. If anything, he is now more of your Jonathon Giles type - big, strong and physical in the contests, with a big kick and strong mark. His tap work is pretty good too, he isn't the most technical looking ruckman out there but he gets results.

It says more about the ruck stocks this year than anything else, but he'd be the #2 in my eyes and the most immediate option.

Yeah Chris25 description is accurate but I wouldn't say he is anywhere near as strong as Giles is. I also don't see him being any more than a back up but have had him in my mock for last 2-3 years and you could rookie him and let him go for a while but I think we need something more immediate.

 

[Snoop Dog]

My Solutions:

Medium Defender - Bring in Clinton Young (FA0

Small Defender - Nathan Hovrat (Pick 17) - 174 cm small defender who averaged 25.8 disposals a game in the TAC cup

Power Forwards - Quintin Lynch (FA) and Jake Stringer (Pick 18) - Jake stringer is 191 cm, 98 kg, kicked around 25 goals in the TAC cup (and he was injured). Got a perfect score in set shots in the draft combine (we have never had a power forward that can kick like that)

Ruckman - Giles (Trade Wood, Rounds/- and pick 39

WHY WE SHOULD NOT TRADE DAWES:

He has one bad year, during 2010-2011 he kicked 61 goals (which incredible at that age)

Do you guys remember Jarrad Roughead when he started? Hawk supporters named him one of the worst pick 2s ever. Also Tom Hawkins??? He was voted one of the worst players to ever win a premiership.. Look at him now!!

If we can get Lynch, Dawes can only concentrate on kicking goals, with Stringer and Paine putting pressure on his spot. I reckon it would be a big loss if we lose Dawes. The only feasible trade that I see from losing Dawes to melbourne is:

Chris Dawes, Cameron Wood + Pick 39 for Pick 4 (Use it on ruckman Brodie Grundy)

Lot of good logic in that.

I think you want Young more wing. I think he has been exposed when back and its the carry through the middle they want with him.

Hrovat is good and a lot like Blair but #17 is a reach for me. He may be there at #39.

Jake Stringer would be terrific at #18.

Giles - def want him but doesn't seem we are into at all.

No way will Melb part with #4.

 

[tazzawazza]

Lot of good logic in that.

I think you want Young more wing. I think he has been exposed when back and its the carry through the middle they want with him.

Hrovat is good and a lot like Blair but #17 is a reach for me. He may be there at #39.

Jake Stringer would be terrific at #18.

Giles - def want him but doesn't seem we are into at all.

No way will Melb part with #4.

Stringer played injured this year and therefore ranges pick 15-25 (according to afl.com.au), hopefully we can steal him!

 

[blaze036]

My Solutions:

Medium Defender - Bring in Clinton Young (FA0

Small Defender - Nathan Hovrat (Pick 17) - 174 cm small defender who averaged 25.8 disposals a game in the TAC cup

Power Forwards - Quintin Lynch (FA) and Jake Stringer (Pick 18) - Jake stringer is 191 cm, 98 kg, kicked around 25 goals in the TAC cup (and he was injured). Got a perfect score in set shots in the draft combine (we have never had a power forward that can kick like that)

Ruckman - Giles (Trade Wood, Rounds/- and pick 39

WHY WE SHOULD NOT TRADE DAWES:

He has one bad year, during 2010-2011 he kicked 61 goals (which incredible at that age)

Do you guys remember Jarrad Roughead when he started? Hawk supporters named him one of the worst pick 2s ever. Also Tom Hawkins??? He was voted one of the worst players to ever win a premiership.. Look at him now!!

If we can get Lynch, Dawes can only concentrate on kicking goals, with Stringer and Paine putting pressure on his spot. I reckon it would be a big loss if we lose Dawes. The only feasible trade that I see from losing Dawes to melbourne is:

Chris Dawes, Cameron Wood + Pick 39 for Pick 4 (Use it on ruckman Brodie Grundy)

lol? im getting sick of these fantasy land trades. So GWS get rounds and Wood who clogg up list space from talented kids then get delisted, plus pick 39 WHICH THEY WONT EVEN USE for their number 1 ruckmen? But who cares because collingwood gets a good deal

 

[tazzawazza]

lol? im getting sick of these fantasy land trades. So GWS get rounds and Wood who clogg up list space from talented kids then get delisted, plus pick 39 WHICH THEY WONT EVEN USE for their number 1 ruckmen? But who cares because collingwood gets a good deal

no melbourne

melbourne initially wanted to give collingwood pick 20 for dawes, but the pies want more. So why not give them more and then get what we actually want.

 

[JOELY]

Because wood and rounds isn't necessarily more.

 

[blaze036]

no melbourne

melbourne initially wanted to give collingwood pick 20 for dawes, but the pies want more. So why not give them more and then get what we actually want.

rounds and wood take up salary cap space and list space, most teams would have them as a burden not a plus