Koschitzke 2 weeks. Corey 0 weeks.

[The Punter]

I think the grading has been explained, and the outcome for the tackled players has been explained, and the previous record has been explained.

What hasn't been explained is the physiological difference in the actions of Koschitzke and Corey. I know the result was different, and therefore the grading, but I think the problem many have with this is that Koschitzke's and Corey's actions were not significantly different.

BTW, in Koschitzke's defence he cannot bring up anything that has happened in the past as precedent, but his past will be taken into account when he is sentenced. If that isn't inconsistent, then absolutely nothing is.

 

[Ruddeger07]

Laughably corrupt is the AFL.

Makes FIFA look like angels some times.

Corey spears Steven's head into the ground, zero weeks. Could have been much worse than Kosis! AFLs love child geelong escape again. God it must be good to be a cats fan.

Joke, disgusting, corrupt, filthy.

It is.Come join us,we'll welcome you with open arms.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

The one thing people were saying about the Trengrove tackle was that both arms were pinned giving the tackled player no option.

Duncan chose to hang on to the ball and allow his head to hit the ground.
Duncan's failure to take any self preserving action should not amount to negligence on Kosi's behalf.
Thats what I'd argue to the tribunal anyway.

This is hilarious. Duncan chose to dive headfirst into the turf, tough bastard.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I think the grading has been explained, and the outcome for the tackled players has been explained, and the previous record has been explained.

What hasn't been explained is the physiological difference in the actions of Koschitzke and Corey. I know the result was different, and therefore the grading, but I think the problem many have with this is that Koschitzke's and Corey's actions were not significantly different.

BTW, in Koschitzke's defence he cannot bring up anything that has happened in the past as precedent, but his past will be taken into account when he is sentenced. If that isn't inconsistent, then absolutely nothing is.

It's true, they seemingly weren't different at all. The slightest difference in exactly how they contacted the dirt can make all the difference in the result though. This is not something easily judged from watching the replay.

Agree on the precedent thing.

 

[Falchoon]

This is the best summation I have read. Not Corey should have got x weeks because Kosi got y.

Kosi put the same tackle on Ling down in the south east forward pocket.

Ling having a harder head with stronger neck muscles = no penalty.

Penalising players on the relative physical strengths of their opponents is a crock.

 

[Falchoon]

Only difference was the impact. Corey's left Stevens fine, Kosi's left Duncan in la-la-land.

For all of 3 minutes apparently, I saw Maxy Hudghton dislocate a finger in an opponents jersey once, how many weeks these days?

 

[Stamos]

Kosi put the same tackle on Ling down in the south east forward pocket.

Ling having a harder head with stronger neck muscles = no penalty.

Penalising players on the relative physical strengths of their opponents is a crock.

It is.
Of the three guys who got done, Corey's was by far the worst tackle, but it's all on the result unfortunately. Kosi should have gotten off, Mummy probably should have too, reckon Corey's was worth a reprimand (or maybe 1 week).

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Maybe you should read the classifications? Corey's was dealt with almost exactly as Kosi's, Kosi has a shit record, Corey has a good one.

Sick of ignorant posters complaining about tribunal decisions with no knowledge of why.

'One bloke gets weeks, the other gets off!' is just wrong.

Why did you not quote my entire post, where I mentioned players with good records getting a free hit?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This is hilarious. Duncan chose to dive headfirst into the turf, tough bastard.

He didnt really hit head first, not in the way Steven did.
I'd argue that Steven was a tough bastard for shrugging it off, while Duncan is a dizzy little schoolgirl if you want to play that game.

In truth I said, that as a defense I'd claim that Duncan had opportunity to put his arm out.

If you think Kosi was wrong, how would you suggest a player get the ball off an opponent, maybe ask nicely?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Haven't read through the 100 odd posts but am staggered with some of the reports.

By far the worst and the one I could cope with being cited was Joel Corey.

Ramming a bloke head first into the ground can cause serious neck injuries. Burgoyne got done for spear tackling Kerr a few years back and it was bloody ordinary then. I don't think Joel's was as malicious but i can deal with it being cited.

Kozi's is a disgrace - shouldn't have been cited at all and to think his grading was higher than Corey's beggars belief.

One of the main issues surrounds the force of contact - which they are basing purely on the outcome (i.e injury). When we all know sometimes you can cop a slight knock and be dazed and sometimes you cop a belter and can shake it off pretty easy - the head is a curious beast like that.

 

[Paranoid]

Kosi's tackle was pretty standard, it wasn't a sling. How many times do we seen that a game. He, like Selwood, was just unlucky that his actions caused injury. It's one of many stupid regulations in the AFL.

I can understand Trengove being suspended (3 is a bit much), since sling tackles are actually against the rules, but there was nothing wrong with Kosi's tackle.

 

[Macca042]

Haven't read through the 100 odd posts but am staggered with some of the reports.

By far the worst and the one I could cope with being cited was Joel Corey.

Ramming a bloke head first into the ground can cause serious neck injuries. Burgoyne got done for spear tackling Kerr a few years back and it was bloody ordinary then. I don't think Joel's was as malicious but i can deal with it being cited.

Kozi's is a disgrace - shouldn't have been cited at all and to think his grading was higher than Corey's beggars belief.

One of the main issues surrounds the force of contact - which they are basing purely on the outcome (i.e injury). When we all know sometimes you can cop a slight knock and be dazed and sometimes you cop a belter and can shake it off pretty easy - the head is a curious beast like that.

More to the point how are players meant to guage how hard they are tackling an opponent ???? And how do the MRP come to these shocking decisions based on a video replay ... They really shouldn't be going on the outcome of the tackle as there are always different circumstances to every tackle, eg -: Size & weight of different players, tackling techniques.... All good tackles there PLAY ON I reckon

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Haven't read through the 100 odd posts but am staggered with some of the reports.

By far the worst and the one I could cope with being cited was Joel Corey.

Ramming a bloke head first into the ground can cause serious neck injuries. Burgoyne got done for spear tackling Kerr a few years back and it was bloody ordinary then. I don't think Joel's was as malicious but i can deal with it being cited.

Kozi's is a disgrace - shouldn't have been cited at all and to think his grading was higher than Corey's beggars belief.

One of the main issues surrounds the force of contact - which they are basing purely on the outcome (i.e injury). When we all know sometimes you can cop a slight knock and be dazed and sometimes you cop a belter and can shake it off pretty easy - the head is a curious beast like that.

For all we know Steven could be walking around in a neck brace this week, but lets be scientific and look at how the players look on TV immediately after the tackle and use that to asess the impact. Can we get some sort of calibration in place. I recommend that we wack a good sample of AFL footballers in the head with known forces, so that we can get average reactions to these forces and come up with a calibrated system.
But maybe kneck injuries arent on the agenda, the AFL may get sued by some player with brain damage one day, I guess the guy in the wheelchair isnt so intimidating.

I know people who seem to spend half their life walking around looking stunned. Does that mean they have had high contact, high impact?

 

[alfy!]

The scary thing is now, do players actually know what they can and can't do with tackles?

 

[winty]

Laughably corrupt is the AFL.

Makes FIFA look like angels some times.

Corey spears Steven's head into the ground, zero weeks. Could have been much worse than Kosis! AFLs love child geelong escape again. God it must be good to be a cats fan.

Joke, disgusting, corrupt, filthy.

Could've been worse, but it wasn't.

He didnt really hit head first, not in the way Steven did.
I'd argue that Steven was a tough bastard for shrugging it off, while Duncan is a dizzy little schoolgirl if you want to play that game.

In truth I said, that as a defense I'd claim that Duncan had opportunity to put his arm out.

If you think Kosi was wrong, how would you suggest a player get the ball off an opponent, maybe ask nicely?

Steven didn't hit head first either. His shoulder hit the ground before his head did.

As for the two incidents - Corey vs Kosi - does anyone know what the points were worth before both players' prior records came into calculations? Would've been pretty similar I'd have thought.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

For all of 3 minutes apparently, I saw Maxy Hudghton dislocate a finger in an opponents jersey once, how many weeks these days?

Trying to use the fact he came back on as some sort of double jeopardy technicality is strange.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Why did you not quote my entire post, where I mentioned players with good records getting a free hit?

Because that's a really dumb comment. The players with bad records got a free hit first up as well...

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Kozi has accepted - bloody terrible for the games - but i guess the saints saw it as futile

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

He didnt really hit head first, not in the way Steven did.
I'd argue that Steven was a tough bastard for shrugging it off, while Duncan is a dizzy little schoolgirl if you want to play that game.

Then I can safely ignore your posts on the subject, thanks.

In truth I said, that as a defense I'd claim that Duncan had opportunity to put his arm out.

And we're back to Duncan deliberately ramming his head into the turf. I suppose in some Selwood-esque effort to get Kosi rubbed out? Didn't work very well, because he didn't even get a free kick like Steven did.

If you think Kosi was wrong, how would you suggest a player get the ball off an opponent, maybe ask nicely?

Hyperbole.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

As for the two incidents - Corey vs Kosi - does anyone know what the points were worth before both players' prior records came into calculations? Would've been pretty similar I'd have thought.

Corey - 125
Kozi - 225

The difference was the force of contact - Kozi medium and Corey Low

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

The scary thing is now, do players actually know what they can and can't do with tackles?

It's pretty easy, you can't ram a blokes head into the turf if you've got both of his arms pinned. As someone already said, this type of tackle didn't occur for 100 years, it's only in the last few that it's common.

 

[alfy!]

Difficult to know in a split second whether you have a players arms pinned. Also, if you lay a weak, standing tackle and the ball comes loose, the coach won't be very happy with you.

 

[Plugger35]

And we're back to Duncan deliberately ramming his head into the turf. I suppose in some Selwood-esque effort to get Kosi rubbed out? Didn't work very well, because he didn't even get a free kick like Steven did.

Yet something that wasn't deemed a free kick results in a two week suspension. Absolute crock of shit and most supporters and the media are saying as much.

I wish people would stop bringing up Kosi's prior record as a justification for the suspension and Corey getting off. The facts are that Corey's tackle was more reckless, was at least the same amount of force and had more potential to cause serious injury than Kosi's tackle.

Kosi's tackle wasn't even a bloody sling tackle, it was a legitimate tackle in the one motion which just used Duncan's own momentum to bring him to ground. Corey's tackle was more of a sling tackle using two motions.

Yet Corey gets no weeks and Kosi gets two weeks. Just ridiculous.

Disappointed that St Kilda isn't challenging it just to make a point and for the good of the game but it would probably be a waste of time and just add an extra week on to Kosi's suspension.

The MRP needs a massive overhaul ASAP. It was brought in to make suspensions more consistent and logical but has actually done the complete opposite.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Because that's a really dumb comment. The players with bad records got a free hit first up as well...

Kosi didn't get a reprimand.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Kosi didn't get a reprimand.

He probably did once, before he had a bad record.

It's pretty simple mate.