Kreuzer or Leunberger?
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Where's Chris Brian?
Whose Chris Brian?
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Over with Matthew Cruzah and Matthew Looenbergah.Where's Chris Brian?
Also, on a serious note, would he not fall in the category or 'other'?
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I'm not gonna vote, but I think its way too early to say. It'll probably end up being lolly drink boy.
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One's a CHF and the others a ruckman.
We have plenty of ruckman so I'd take Kruezer.
Which is the better ruckman? Leuenberger by a country mile. No contest really.
We have plenty of ruckman so I'd take Kruezer.
Which is the better ruckman? Leuenberger by a country mile. No contest really.
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This would be my take.
Kreuzer - Kreuzer has that X factor, he looks like someone who will be able to do amazing things while playing and have us go "Was that the 200cm guy?", he will do things that no other bigman can do, whether he plays more as a ruckman, flanker or CHF who knows, but he will be the better player.
Luenberger - Luey is the type of ruckman that you know will be good, but he wont be outstanding, he will be a player who will get the hitouts and possesions per game, but wont always make much of an impact, he will be a good ruckman, but just that, nothing too special.
Kreuzer - Kreuzer has that X factor, he looks like someone who will be able to do amazing things while playing and have us go "Was that the 200cm guy?", he will do things that no other bigman can do, whether he plays more as a ruckman, flanker or CHF who knows, but he will be the better player.
Luenberger - Luey is the type of ruckman that you know will be good, but he wont be outstanding, he will be a player who will get the hitouts and possesions per game, but wont always make much of an impact, he will be a good ruckman, but just that, nothing too special.
Kruezer is a unique type of player. Finding it hard to categorize him, as we really don't have anyone else playing at AFL level with his mix of talents. As soon as you type to categorize him, he demonstrates another freakish talent. Everyone says this or that ruckman is a "midfielder", usually because they're very mobile for their size, and are often providing a link option, setting up moves into the forward 50 etc etc e.g. Cox. But this guy truly plays like a smaller midfielder. It's like as though he doesn't realise he's 200cm. Once he's done the ruck stuff, he switches to small midfielder role, either extracting the ball, or being on the end of a handball in the middle, and using burst speed to break out of the pack. When the Blues midfielders gain possession and are moving forward, Matty Kruezer is one of them, running alongside, Judd, Murph, Stevens, Gibbs etc etc. The best way to describe the guy, is that he's a true quality midfielder, who just grew an extra 10cm or so. Apart from his talents, Matty's other outstanding attribute is his competitiveness and focus. He just never ever ever concedes defeat in a contested situation. He'll just keep on going until he wins. An extra-ordinary footballer.
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I rate Kreuzer highly but I'm not sure about him as a pure ruckman.
He has superb mobility but I doubt he'll be a good tap ruckman through his career.
He has superb mobility but I doubt he'll be a good tap ruckman through his career.
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Good synopsis.
Many seem to think that Luey will be the next coming of Dean Cox, but I see him more as a better version of Steven King.
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Mini Cox vs Mini Fraser.
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Good synopsis.
Many seem to think that Luey will be the next coming of Dean Cox, but I see him more as a better version of Steven King.
Steven King? Leuenberger has amazing athleticism. Even at his best, King didn't have that.
Leuenberger for mine. I think Kreuzer will be good, but I'm not sure he'll excel as either a ruck or a KPP, whereas I think Leuenberger will be an outstanding ruck.
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I think Kreuzer is the more likely of the two to tear a game apart and win a match off his own boot.
I haven't seen too many 19 year old rucks with the ability to hit forwards lace on the run and off one step like Kreuzer. One of his passes on the weekend was a ball burster drilled to Fev off one step with the depth, vision and accuracy of Hodge.
Fev dropped the mark, but I think he was caught out by the quality and depth of the kick.
Our forwards haven't had delivery like that in a long time.
Haven't learnt to post Youtube videos yet?Kruezer is a unique type of player. Finding it hard to categorize him, as we really don't have anyone else playing at AFL level with his mix of talents. As soon as you type to categorize him, he demonstrates another freakish talent. Everyone says this or that ruckman is a "midfielder", usually because they're very mobile for their size, and are often providing a link option, setting up moves into the forward 50 etc etc e.g. Cox. But this guy truly plays like a smaller midfielder. It's like as though he doesn't realise he's 200cm. Once he's done the ruck stuff, he switches to small midfielder role, either extracting the ball, or being on the end of a handball in the middle, and using burst speed to break out of the pack. When the Blues midfielders gain possession and are moving forward, Matty Kruezer is one of them, running alongside, Judd, Murph, Stevens, Gibbs etc etc. The best way to describe the guy, is that he's a true quality midfielder, who just grew an extra 10cm or so. Apart from his talents, Matty's other outstanding attribute is his competitiveness and focus. He just never ever ever concedes defeat in a contested situation. He'll just keep on going until he wins. An extra-ordinary footballer.
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Other? Ok, Cox.
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Yeah because Kreuzer was widely thought of as an inferior player to Wood
As for the topic, like others have said, I think Leuenberger will be the better tap ruckman but Kreuzer the better all round player because I think he has better skills, mobility and versatility.
here's how i see it:
-leunberger has the advantage over kreuzer in terms of his height and therefore will probably get more hitouts. imo kreuzer is a better technician of ruckwork and keviin sheahan stated he has the best 360 degree tapping on either hand he has ever seen. and at draft camp, from memory kreuzer had the larges handspan.
- a lot of people say leunberger is better than kreuzer for 2 reasons (probably subconsciously): 1- for their inner hatred of anything carlton and because they have no particular feelings towards brisbane but are too afraid to admit it and 2-because leunberger's body is so similar to cox and kreuzer's body is so similar to fraser's. i'm telling ya, don't be blinded by this and just watch their individual games.
-leunberger is quicker than kreuzer. kreuzer isn't slow but just isn't lghtning quick either.
-kreuzer is more mobile.
-while leunberger is a lso very good at this, i think kreuzer is better at putting in 2nd and 3rd efforts, his desire to win the ball is immense.
-kreuzer has much bigger aerobic capacity, is much fitter.
-the one area kreuzer clearly is far superior to leunberger is his football brain. leunberger could develop this with experience, but kreuzer's understanding of the game and ability to do the small things which make huge differences are just incredible.
-kreuzer is a better kick, right and left foot.
-kreuzer is a better mark.
-kreuzer is a much much much better shot at goal and a much more versatile player to leunberger. seems berger will be restricted to only the ball-ups.
-i'm not sure about leunberger but one thing kreuzer needs to improve on is his talk off the field. he is a very quiet, shy person and imo needs to show a bit more leadership. hopefully he can develop this with mroe confidence. by all reports, he is quite verbal out on the field which is good to hear but he needs to take this to the training track.
all in all, both will be superstars of the game and along with natanui will have many great duels over the next 10-15 years, something we have missed of late. if i had to choose out of one, i'd go kreuzer because imo he just offers so much more.
-leunberger has the advantage over kreuzer in terms of his height and therefore will probably get more hitouts. imo kreuzer is a better technician of ruckwork and keviin sheahan stated he has the best 360 degree tapping on either hand he has ever seen. and at draft camp, from memory kreuzer had the larges handspan.
- a lot of people say leunberger is better than kreuzer for 2 reasons (probably subconsciously): 1- for their inner hatred of anything carlton and because they have no particular feelings towards brisbane but are too afraid to admit it and 2-because leunberger's body is so similar to cox and kreuzer's body is so similar to fraser's. i'm telling ya, don't be blinded by this and just watch their individual games.
-leunberger is quicker than kreuzer. kreuzer isn't slow but just isn't lghtning quick either.
-kreuzer is more mobile.
-while leunberger is a lso very good at this, i think kreuzer is better at putting in 2nd and 3rd efforts, his desire to win the ball is immense.
-kreuzer has much bigger aerobic capacity, is much fitter.
-the one area kreuzer clearly is far superior to leunberger is his football brain. leunberger could develop this with experience, but kreuzer's understanding of the game and ability to do the small things which make huge differences are just incredible.
-kreuzer is a better kick, right and left foot.
-kreuzer is a better mark.
-kreuzer is a much much much better shot at goal and a much more versatile player to leunberger. seems berger will be restricted to only the ball-ups.
-i'm not sure about leunberger but one thing kreuzer needs to improve on is his talk off the field. he is a very quiet, shy person and imo needs to show a bit more leadership. hopefully he can develop this with mroe confidence. by all reports, he is quite verbal out on the field which is good to hear but he needs to take this to the training track.
all in all, both will be superstars of the game and along with natanui will have many great duels over the next 10-15 years, something we have missed of late. if i had to choose out of one, i'd go kreuzer because imo he just offers so much more.
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Sure, if that helps you sleep at night, tell yourself that.
Doesn't make it true though.
i know that it is true. i'm not saying everyone's liek that, but i'm sure at least more than half are. it's a fact of life. i'm sure you see yourself sometimes that players who should never get votes are getting votes because of supporters. a carlton supporter will pick the non-collingwood option most times and vice versa. that's just how it goes...
My take is Berger will hold down a no.1 ruck better, better ruck technician, and is more a traditional ruckman, and will ruck up disposals because he'll be more agile than most ruckman he plays against.
Kreuzer I believe won't be able hold down a no.1 ruck job as well if at all, but his ground skills excel Berger's. I believe he'll become a great player, just not as a no.1 ruckman. Basically I reckon he'll do everything else better than Berger apart from rucking.
If I was taking a future ruckman, that would hold down my team's no. 1 spot, I'd take Leunberger, but if I wanted a more agile and versitile player, that wouldn't need to hold down a ruck position by himself, I'd take Kreuzer.
Kreuzer I believe won't be able hold down a no.1 ruck job as well if at all, but his ground skills excel Berger's. I believe he'll become a great player, just not as a no.1 ruckman. Basically I reckon he'll do everything else better than Berger apart from rucking.
If I was taking a future ruckman, that would hold down my team's no. 1 spot, I'd take Leunberger, but if I wanted a more agile and versitile player, that wouldn't need to hold down a ruck position by himself, I'd take Kreuzer.
That about sums it up. Would you like the new improved version of Dean Cox or the next Josh Fraser?
