Kreuzer or Ryder

[The Bomb]

Who would you want Kreuzer or Ryder?

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Kreuzer would be my first choice of any young player in the competition.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I picked Kruezer as he is the better ruckman, and his scope for improvement is pretty high.

 

[DVD Player]

Kreuzer... Hardly a contest.

 

[barmyarmy]

Kreuzer... Hardly a contest.

correct weight

 

[Slattery_20]

Kreuzer.
Wish Ryder would push himself that hard.

 

[gandaal]

Bit unfair on Ryder this comparison.

 

[Falchoon]

Kreuzer easily.

 

[jonoman89]

Kreuzer.

But there is an off chance his ACL will hamper him going forward. I certainly hope not (touch wood).

 

[Sin City]

Kreuzer will develop into a fine ruckman, what he was doing in his first three years was incredible given how long rucks usually take to develop. It's the extra work he does that makes him special though, very high up in the Carlton lists for one percenters and tackles and just keeps on ploughing away for four quarters every week. I reckon he's probably our third best player behind Judd and Murphy.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I picked Kreuzer, but considering he did his knee I was going to go Ryder

 

[Smyth94]

Kreuzer easily.

Bit unfair on Ryder this comparison.

For two players who are statistically even based on the past two seasons (2010 and 2009), "easily" is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

 

[The Octopus]

Kreuzer by a mile. Ryder is ok, but its a bad poll comparison.

 

[gandaal]

For two players who are statistically even based on the past two seasons (2010 and 2009), "easily" is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

Not really. Stats are useful but they don't show the full picture.

 

[Smyth94]

Not really. Stats are useful but they don't show the full picture.

What is the full picture exactly? What else can we compare them with?

 

[Smyth94]

Kreuzer by a mile. Ryder is ok, but its a bad poll comparison.

Ryder is more than "OK" he is one of the top young ruckmen in the competition. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[GuzzLG]

Stats are about even without Ryder even trying while Kreuzer is busting his guts. Kreuzer also has had 3 seasons in the ruck compared to Ryder's two.

If Ryder reaches his potential then Ryder by a mile.

 

[gandaal]

Stats are about even without Ryder even trying while Kreuzer is busting his guts. Kreuzer also has had 3 seasons in the ruck compared to Ryder's two.

If Ryder reaches his potential then Ryder by a mile.

So you're calling Ryder lazy.

 

[GuzzLG]

So you're calling Ryder lazy.

Well lazy is a vague term. Can't say for sure if he's lazy or not, but lazier than Kreuzer I would think.

 

[the distributer]

lots of big guys look laconic, kruse has the more talent IMO.

 

[Ambrosia]

The only thing Ryder has on Kreuzer is he is superior at playing forwad.

 

[fishguts]

Kreuzer the better ruckman, but Ryder the better all rounder. Both teams will be happy with their respective players.

I would love to see Ryder grow the determination to succeed like he did on ANZAC day '09. Hopefully Hird can bring that out in him.

 

[Smyth94]

Kreuzer the better ruckman, but Ryder the better all rounder. Both teams will be happy with their respective players.

I would love to see Ryder grow the determination to succeed like he did on ANZAC day '09. Hopefully Hird can bring that out in him.

Ryder has averaged more hitouts than Kruezer in both 2009 and 2010 - I don't have access to both their hit out to advantage % though.

I would say they are just about even as players.

 

[Smyth94]

lots of big guys look laconic, kruse has the more talent IMO.

Wrong.

 

[Stormers]

Kreuzer easily