L Angwin

[Penetrator]

I was hoping you crow supporters could enlighten me on any of Laurie Angwins misadventures while he was on your list and why was he so disliked ??? Also how did he play in the SANFL

Cheers and merry Xmas to all

 

[Mong]

He's disliked because he left and we got nothing for him. That's the real issue. I think he is treated harshly.

I saw him play one game in the SANFL for Glenelg it was against Sturt. Angwin was sensational. Dominated the ruck and went forward in spurts and dominated up forward. I don't think he consistently played that well but he showed he has great talent and as a Crows fan it was very exciting to see him play so well. Unfortunately things didn't work out.


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[Punchy Bassett]

Well on of his efforts was attempting to drive home drunk and rolled his car and who knows how he played in the SANFL he hardly ever played was always injured

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by ****
He's disliked because he left and we got nothing for him. That's the real issue. I think he is treated harshly.

Harshly? You forgot to mention the rest of the story.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Harshly? You forgot to mention the rest of the story.

Probably best not to go too much over old ground, but I think it is fair to say he was a great collector, amongst other things. Pity his mental ability didn't match his football ability.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Probably best not to go too much over old ground ...

Agreed... hence I gave the Backspace key a workout while posting my previous reply. But cripes, when all is said and done... Treated harshly? I think not.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by dyertribe
But cripes, when all is said and done... Treated harshly? I think not.

Depends. Angwin deserved to get crap thrown at him after his pathetic time at AFC. However, at the same time he clearly has a mental disorder that we shouldn't make fun of.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
However, at the same time he clearly has a mental disorder that we shouldn't make fun of.

Has one been diagnosed? In any case I don't agree with the recent trend to blame undesirable behaviour on anything and everything but the person themselves. Part of the reason we have kids running around doped up to the eyeballs simply because parents refuse to do their job - but I digress.

At the end of the day the buck stops with Laurence. He's obviously chosen to partially blame the Adelaide Football Club for his behaviour for some strange reason - despite the fact he was also nicked while with Carlton.

Not to worry. Good riddance...

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Depends. Angwin deserved to get crap thrown at him after his pathetic time at AFC. However, at the same time he clearly has a mental disorder that we shouldn't make fun of.

Mental disorder? That is going a bit far. I know plenty of people that have got in more trouble than him in their youth (me probably included), and I wouldn't say they all had mental disorders.

On the grand scale of things, he is a minor player even just in the ****ed in the head stakes.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Port01

I know plenty of people that have got in more trouble than him in their youth (me probably included

But I doubt that you stole from your team-mates at two successive clubs.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Port01
Mental disorder? That is going a bit far. I know plenty of people that have got in more trouble than him in their youth (me probably included), and I wouldn't say they all had mental disorders.

On the grand scale of things, he is a minor player even just in the ****ed in the head stakes.

So are you suggesting he is mentally sound & is in full control of his actions? Not condoning what Angwin has done by any means, but he has a mental disorder for sure. Hopefully he is getting help, but I hope he plays crap for Carlton!

 

[Rednecknow]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Part of the reason we have kids running around doped up to the eyeballs simply because parents refuse to do their job

This is out of line, you obviously know nothing of his upbringing otherwise you wouldnt make such a rash statement.

Having known Lawrence as a youngster his parents had nothing to do with this.

Sometimes no matter how good a parent you are things dont always go the way you hoped. Im sure every parent has felt that at some time.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Rednecknow
This is out of line, you obviously know nothing of his upbringing otherwise you wouldnt make such a rash statement.

Having known Lawrence as a youngster his parents had nothing to do with this.

Who said I'm referring to Laurence or his parents in the passage you quoted?

My advice? Pop a prozac or brush up on your comprehension skills before making such a rash statement.

 

[Mong]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Harshly? You forgot to mention the rest of the story.

He's no angel but Crows fans never bagged the guy when he first rolled his car, when he was still at the club. Then he leaves and the knives come out. I know that's just one incident but it's an example of what I'm talking about. Make no mistake, all the criticism is based on him leaving.

What Wayne Carey did is waaaaaaaay worse than anything Angwin has done.

Lets be real. Angwin is a soft target because he left us. No-one here constantly bags Carey for what he did. I wonder why that is? You don't have to be a genius to work out why.


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[Mong]

Originally posted by macca23
But I doubt that you stole from your team-mates at two successive clubs.

Just out of interest Macca23, what do you think of Carey stealing his best mates wife? How does that compare to stealing a few dollars worth of material possessions?

I'm just asking because I have seen you a few times make a similar comment to what you've said above but I have never seen you have a go at Carey.


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[Jars458]

Originally posted by Port01
Mental disorder? That is going a bit far. I know plenty of people that have got in more trouble than him in their youth (me probably included), and I wouldn't say they all had mental disorders.

Not all of them.

Not sure about you though. Is there any other explanation for some of your behaviour?

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by ****
What Wayne Carey did is waaaaaaaay worse than anything Angwin has done.

What we do know is that Angwin got behind the wheel of his car while so drunk he left the roadway.

"What Wayne Carey did was waaaaaaay worse"?

Don't think so. I'm not sure if there was much chance of anyone being killed or permanently maimed by Wayne Carey or Kelli Stevens.

 

[DaveW]

****,

Please show us the laws that Carey broke in having an inter-marital affair.

Thanks.

 

[Mong]

I don't care if it's in the law or not we all know it is wrong.

Dave W, you should be ashamed for even suggesting otherwise.


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[tribey]

Originally posted by ****
I don't care if it's in the law or not we all know it is wrong.

Dave W, you should be ashamed for even suggesting otherwise.

Get off your high horse for five seconds before I vomit.

So you're looking at it from a moral and not legal standpoint?

Well on the one hand we have Carey partaking in a consensual (it takes two to tango remember?!!) inter-marital affair for which he has profusely apologised and assumed responsibility for...

...and on the other we have someone who has regularly stolen items from stores and team-mates as well as putting lives at risk while drink driving, and in the aftermath he has chosen to partially blame others (ie the Adelaide Football Club) for his predicament..

Either way you look at it, Angwin 'wins' hands down.

 

[Mong]

Originally posted by dyertribe
What we do know is that Angwin got behind the wheel of his car while so drunk he left the roadway.

Well I didn't know that. All I ever read on the matter is that Angwin robbed a couple of team mates. Even still, the other points in my post stand.


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[Mong]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Get off your high horse for five seconds before I vomit.

Err.... I think if you have a look back through the conversation you are the one getting on your high horse. All I'm trying to do is show a bit of leniency on the guy. If that puts me on a high horse then so be it but I thought it was the other way around. I've never agreed with anything he's done, I just think as football fans we love to be overly critical of their actions, particularly if they have done the dirty on our football club or they play for the hated opposition.

Originally posted by dyertribe
So you're looking at it from a moral and not legal standpoint?

Well on the one hand we have Carey partaking in a consensual (it takes two to tango remember?!!) inter-marital affair for which he has profusely apologised and assumed responsibility for...

...and on the other we have someone who has regularly stolen items from stores and team-mates as well as putting lives at risk while drink driving, and in the aftermath he has chosen to partially blame others (ie the Adelaide Football Club) for his predicament..

Either way you look at it, Angwin 'wins' hands down.

Who caused the most pain and hurt to others? I'd be surprised if it was Angwin.

I am not particularly having a go at Carey. He made mistakes. We all do. His actions likely only stopped because he got caught but nevertheless appears to be sorry of what he's done.

As I keep getting back to, and only used Carey as an example because it is comparitive, we are quick to castigate Angwin for his sins but Carey is forgiven.

The difference? One left the Crows and one now plays for them. One is constantly ridiculed by Crows fans and one is hero worshipped. THAT is my point despite you guys wanting to get into semantics and legal arguments.

Dyertribe, can you give me an honest answer here. If Angwin was still with the Crows and was the rising star that he could have been would you still be just as critical of him?


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[DaveW]

Originally posted by ****
I don't care if it's in the law or not we all know it is wrong.

Dave W, you should be ashamed for even suggesting otherwise.

Any chance you can debate this properly rather than getting all moralistic on me?

Carey didn't steal valued possesions away from others.

Carey didn't put others lives in danger.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by ****
Just out of interest Macca23, what do you think of Carey stealing his best mates wife? How does that compare to stealing a few dollars worth of material possessions?

I'm just asking because I have seen you a few times make a similar comment to what you've said above but I have never seen you have a go at Carey.


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Gee, you're opening up a hornet's nest on this one.

Let me first state that I don't condone what Carey did. I think that morally it was a low class act to have it off with his best mate's wife.

I remember reading recently that 70+% of women and 80+% of men will have an extra-marital affair during their married lives. Some of the people reading this will have. Doesn't make it right, but it's not illegal and is very common.

Carey went beyond that of course, and paid a huge public price for that. On top of that he had to leave the club he loved and which which was a major part of his life. That happened at another club and he has since come to our club, and to the best of mine or anybody else's knowledge hasn't repeated that act. If he did, he would be finished.

As for Angwin, amonst other things, he has stolen from his team-mates at two successive clubs. That is a criminal act as well as being a morally low down act. The fact that he did it again when thrown a lifeline by Carlton says something about him I would have thought.

So now you know my thoughts on both Carey and Angwin.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by ****
Err.... I think if you have a look back through the conversation you are the one getting on your high horse.

Was waiting for that. I'm not telling people they should be ashamed because they disagree with my standpoint, I'm not preaching lenience for someone who clearly doesn't deserve it and I'm not comparing apples and pears on the basis of a moral standpoint.

I am merely adding my opinion to the conversation at hand and also providing you with some facts (ie the drink-drive/rolling car incident) you were previously unaware of. Quite frankly I believe when all is said and done members and fans of the Adelaide Football Club have every right to be ropable with the little **** for his past crimes and current 'up yours' attitude.

Originally posted by ****
Dyertribe, can you give me an honest answer here. If Angwin was still with the Crows and was the rising star that he could have been would you still be just as critical of him?

Of course I would be. I'm also a supporter of Newcastle United in England. We currently have Kieron Dyer, Lee Bowyer and Jonathon Woodgate in our squad.

Dyer has been done for drink-drive and crashed his car into the Tyne bridge as well as being regularly linked with other assorted off-field misdemeanours - I'm sick of his off-field antics and would like to see him sold.

Bowyer and Woodgate were the footballers who while at Leeds United were charged with assaulting that Asian student in a racially-motivated attack. Woodgate has shown nothing but remorse in the time since, has admitted his errors and has completed his community service and fines. He's made a serious effort to turn his life around and he's stopped going out on the town. Good on him.

The signing of Bowyer on the other hand I completely disagreed with. He fought the initial charges, then refused to accept the fine Leeds imposed on him for bringing the club into disrepute. He also came to us under a 6-game UEFA ban for tap-dancing on the head of an opponent.

So in response to what you're trying to get at, I'm far from being a fickle 'if you're in my colours you're a great bloke' hypocrite. If Angwin was to publicly admit some sort of remorse or express some regret to the supporters as to his behaviour or what he did to our club that would be different. What's done is done and we can't change it. But all I'm seeing lately is Carlton fans coming into our forum and regurgitating the tripe Angwin's told them - "thrown into the lockers on the second day" (?!!!) - making Adelaide FC out to be partially at fault for his behaviour.