Lance - is there a position for him

[john21]

Just wondering if you guys think he has a postion in the team next year. Don't get me wrong, he is a great player and has had a wonderful year but where play him.

FORWARD LINE - maybe pinch hit, but with Kennedy playing CHF, Fev playing FF and Fish and Waite alternating between the other tall position in the forward line, there isn't a permenant spot for him.

BACKLINE - certainly struggles against quicker, leading players (aka Lucas today, even though Lucas isn't that quick). With Thornton, Bower, Hartlett and now Setanta filling our tall tagging roles, there is no room. What about a loose man? If we draft Hansen, i think that will be his job.

Not saying he should be traded, but he is too good and too valuable to be a backup player. Plus he turns 28 next year

 

[mediumsizered]

Just wondering if you guys think he has a postion in the team next year. Don't get me wrong, he is a great player and has had a wonderful year but where play him.

FORWARD LINE - maybe pinch hit, but with Kennedy playing CHF, Fev playing FF and Fish and Waite alternating between the other tall position in the forward line, there isn't a permenant spot for him.

BACKLINE - certainly struggles against quicker, leading players (aka Lucas today, even though Lucas isn't that quick). With Thornton, Bower, Hartlett and now Setanta filling our tall tagging roles, there is no room. What about a loose man? If we draft Hansen, i think that will be his job.

Not saying he should be traded, but he is too good and too valuable to be a backup player. Plus he turns 28 next year

Will be AA this year and captain next year. I think he has earned the right to be in the team for a few years yet. Football brains like his don't just fall in your lap. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with Hansen (or Gibbs, Gumbleton, Selwood etc). It will be at least 2-3 years before he will be able to be selected ahead of someone like Whitnall.

 

[john21]

no, i no he is an awesome player and probably a great captain.

Just want people's thoughts on what position he would play next year and beyond. Im not demanding a trade

 

[mediumsizered]

no, i no he is an awesome player and probably a great captain.

Just want people's thoughts on what position he would play next year and beyond. Im not demanding a trade

He will continue to play mostly in defence. His leadership will be needed in a defence that will most likely include Thornton, Bower, Hartlett, Walker, Russell and maybe Hansen. Not a lot of experience among that lot, so they will need a general to lead them and Lance is the man.

 

[john21]

so in other words, you are saying Whitnall may have another 3-4 years left in his career and that time will be spent stabilizing our defence, as well as turning our young defenders into good, solid players until Thornton, Hartlett, Bower and Setanta can make Carlton a good defensive team.

fair enough, thats all i wanted to hear. I never thought about trading him.

cheers mate

 

[irish_setanta]

Lance has had a great year and will have many more for carlton, the best part with lance is he can play either forward or back. Granted there are going to be games where there isnt really a matchup for lance, when that happens he can play either as a loose man in defence or as a pinch hitter up forward who could nail 4 or 5 goals and win us a game.

 

[Jimthegreat]

When you play a "zone-off" type of game you may set-up alot, as he does, but occasionally you'll get hurt the other way too, which has happened a few times. Generally this year, the positves have well outweighed any negatives.

 

[Silvagnis]

I'm certain there's one at another club if Carlton have the balls to do what's best for the club.

He's only going to get slower and this is as good as he'll get.

 

[as0l0]

this is as good as he'll get.

potential all Australian? I'd hold that card.

 

[mediumsizered]

potential all Australian? I'd hold that card.

Fortunately Cypher isn't part of our football department.

 

[Silvagnis]

Fortunately Cypher isn't part of our football department.

No, the football department recruited Mclaren and keep playing Deluca and Sporn at the expense of Kennedy and Russell.

Deluca kicked four goals today so he'll probably be brought back in.

A player who's favourite to be named captain next year and AA shouldn't have conceded three goals in 3 minutes.

He earnt his match payments yesterday by telling Simpson where to run!

Get the picks now unless we want to be a team of also-rans like Geelong and no match for a club like Hawthorn who have a stack of quality kids.

 

[mediumsizered]

No, the Football Department recruited Mclaren and keep playing Deluca and Sporn at the expense of Kennedy and Russell.Deluca kicked four goals today so he'll probably be brought back in.

A player who's favourite to be named captain next year and AA shouldn't have conceded three goals in 3 minutes. He earnt his match payments yesterday by telling Simpson where to run!

Get the picks now unless we want to be a team of also-rans like Geelong and no match for a club like Hawthorn who have a stack of quality kids.

Unless I'm mistaken Kennedy and Russell were in the seniors yesterday and DeLuca and Sporn were running around with the Bullants today. Kennedy has played 5 of the last 6 games, only missing due to injury. Russell has also played 5 of the last 6 games.

The same player who beat Lucas last time, who ripped Barry Hall a new one. Who was too good for Anthony Rocca in a game when our defence was bombarded. Who was clearly our best player in our abysmal performance against St Kilda. What you are proposing is that next year we go with a defence made up of Thornton, Hartlett, Bower, Bannister, Walker, maybe Hansen. Thornton will be the most experienced of that group. I don't even want to contemplate how ugly that could get.

 

[Hu$$ey]

With Thornton, Bower, Hartlett and now Setanta filling our tall tagging roles, there is no room.

You've just named two players who have not played a single game of AFL football plus another who is not even a certainty to make it at the highest level (though admittedly he showed some very encouraging signs yesterday). Then you mooted that Hansen, if drafted, will walk into the role Lance plays?

This is not a personal attack on you at all but what is with the obsession of some of our supporters with draft picks?? Yes they are the way to the future but I keep repeating that you need to keep a balance, you can't have a TAC cup team running around in the AFL, they will get hammered pillar to post. Yes it sounds all rosy that our whole team is under 24 but it isn't possible and it shouldn't happen anyway, it really can damage the kids. You need a mixture of experience plus youth, you don't just let them go like that.

If some posters had their way they would trade Fisher, Whitnall, Waite, Stevens, Houlihan for draft picks and delist French, Lappin and Kouta

I am not against the trading or whatever but at the maximum only one of Fisher/Whits/Waite/Stevens/Houlihan/Scotland should be traded - only ONE and that too for a good deal, that's all, you don't trade all your experienced players for the kids, you need a mixture.

 

[Silvagnis]

Unless I'm mistaken Kennedy and Russell were in the seniors yesterday and DeLuca and Sporn were running around with the Bullants today. Kennedy has played 5 of the last 6 games, only missing due to injury. Russell has also played 5 of the last 6 games.

Unlike Deluca and Sporn, Kennedy and Russell still get about five minutes to impress of they're ripped off the ground.

The same player who beat Lucas last time, who ripped Barry Hall a new one. Who was too good for Anthony Rocca in a game when our defence was bombarded. Who was clearly our best player in our abysmal performance against St Kilda. What you are proposing is that next year we go with a defence made up of Thornton, Hartlett, Bower, Bannister, Walker, maybe Hansen. Thornton will be the most experienced of that group. I don't even want to contemplate how ugly that could get.

It was like that yesterday with the way he was run around by Lucas and beaten on the lead despite being regarded as having an AA year. You're not presenting much of a case to keep him if you use the fact we have no one else to play there.

Stop gap until someone else comes along.

How did Lance perform on athletic guns like Riewoldt, Richardson and Croad this year?

A first round pick or a pick around twenty would be enough if we think it can get us a player we rate.

If he's so indispensable why was he nearly traded last year?

 

[The Grover]

Just wondering if you guys think he has a postion in the team next year. Don't get me wrong, he is a great player and has had a wonderful year but where play him.

FORWARD LINE - maybe pinch hit, but with Kennedy playing CHF, Fev playing FF and Fish and Waite alternating between the other tall position in the forward line, there isn't a permenant spot for him.

BACKLINE - certainly struggles against quicker, leading players (aka Lucas today, even though Lucas isn't that quick). With Thornton, Bower, Hartlett and now Setanta filling our tall tagging roles, there is no room. What about a loose man? If we draft Hansen, i think that will be his job.

Not saying he should be traded, but he is too good and too valuable to be a backup player. Plus he turns 28 next year

A forward line of Fev,Kennedy,Fish & Waite is not a balanced forward set up, they are all lead mark players not great when ball hits the deck.

It was frustrating to see our forward line against Dons to consist of Fev,Kennedy,Waite,Fisher,Bryan,Kouta,Lance & one crumber in Eddie.

We have a lot of areas to recruit for but long term we need some smaller forwards such as Chapman,Pettifer types to work with Eddie & compliment our taller forwards.

 

[Silvagnis]

You've just named two players who have not played a single game of AFL football plus another who is not even a certainty to make it at the highest level (though admittedly he showed some very encouraging signs yesterday). Then you mooted that Hansen, if drafted, will walk into the role Lance plays?

This is not a personal attack on you at all but what is with the obsession of some of our supporters with draft picks?? Yes they are the way to the future but I keep repeating that you need to keep a balance, you can't have a TAC cup team running around in the AFL, they will get hammered pillar to post. Yes it sounds all rosy that our whole team is under 24 but it isn't possible and it shouldn't happen anyway, it really can damage the kids. You need a mixture of experience plus youth, you don't just let them go like that.

If some posters had their way they would trade Fisher, Whitnall, Waite, Stevens, Houlihan for draft picks and delist French, Lappin and Kouta

Koutoufides and French will probably retire but Lappin should keep playing.

The kids have stood up this year whilst our senior players in Kouta, Stevens, French, etc. have struggled and shown no leadership this year. We're going to be a bottom four side next year regardless of trades and it's all about the side we have in the future. I don't go to the footy to watch Lance and Stevens and they'll be gone in three-five seasons when this side is rebuilt.

I am not against the trading or whatever but at the maximum only one of Fisher/Whits/Waite/Stevens/Houlihan/Scotland should be traded - only ONE and that too for a good deal, that's all, you don't trade all your experienced players for the kids, you need a mixture.

Then we'll trade them for picks and a midfielder!

 

[mediumsizered]

Unlike Deluca and Sporn, Kennedy and Russell still get about five minutes to impress of they're ripped off the ground.

It was like that yesterday with the way he was run around by Lucas and beaten on the lead despite being regarded as having an AA year. You're not presenting much of a case to keep him if you use the fact we have no one else to play there.

Stop gap until someone else comes along.

How did Lance perform on athletic guns like Riewoldt, Richardson and Croad this year?

A first round pick or a pick around twenty would be enough if we think it can get us a player we rate.

If he's so indispensable why was he nearly traded last year?

According to your plans, given Kouta and French will be gone and Lance is traded, our most experienced player will be Matty Lappin (who is currently running around in the VFL). Our next most experienced players will be Stevens and Fevola. So who do we give the captaincy to? Lappin (might be a bit hard if he is running around in the VFL). Stevens (is not handling being tagged, can't see him coping with the leadership on top of that). Fevola (love him to death, but he is not ready to be captain yet). It quickly falls away after that. We have a ready made captain, with one of the best football brains in the competition and you want to trade him. Why? Because it is going to be a super draft and you want extra picks. So we lose one of only 3 current 200 game players at the club to pick up a kid who we can't even guarantee will make the grade.

Do you know where our list suffers compared to most teams? In the 25+ age group. In the recent matches where we have been overrun in the last quarter it has been the opposition's experienced players (those over 25) that have got them over the line. Players like Shannon Grant, Brad Johnson, Chris Grant, Ben Cousins, Andrew Embley, Adam Hunter have been the difference in those close games. We have one of the best groups of youngsters in the competition (which will be added to by up to half a dozen in the coming draft), but probably the least number of quality mid-age players in the competition and yet you want to trade away arguably our best mid-age player for an unknown quantity. How many more years of pain do you want?

 

[Big Roo]

there is a position for Lance, in the line at Krispy Kreme donuts.

 

[Hu$$ey]

there is a position for Lance, in the line at Krispy Kreme donuts.

Bye bye troll.

 

[mediumsizered]

there is a position for Lance, in the line at Krispy Kreme donuts.

He would have to wait behind Jon Hay, Jade Rawlings and Sav Rocca.

 

[Big Roo]

Bye bye troll.

I'm no troll, I'm new to this, it's just me having a bit of traditional footy jibes. All in good fun and competition between rival supporters.

 

[Silvagnis]

According to your plans, given Kouta and French will be gone and Lance is traded, our most experienced player will be Matty Lappin (who is currently running around in the VFL). Our next most experienced players will be Stevens and Fevola. So who do we give the captaincy to? Lappin (might be a bit hard if he is running around in the VFL). Stevens (is not handling being tagged, can't see him coping with the leadership on top of that). Fevola (love him to death, but he is not ready to be captain yet). It quickly falls away after that. We have a ready made captain, with one of the best football brains in the competition and you want to trade him. Why? Because it is going to be a super draft and you want extra picks. So we lose one of only 3 current 200 game players at the club to pick up a kid who we can't even guarantee will make the grade.

Do you know where our list suffers compared to most teams? In the 25+ age group. In the recent matches where we have been overrun in the last quarter it has been the opposition's experienced players (those over 25) that have got them over the line. Players like Shannon Grant, Brad Johnson, Chris Grant, Ben Cousins, Andrew Embley, Adam Hunter have been the difference in those close games. We have one of the best groups of youngsters in the competition (which will be added to by up to half a dozen in the coming draft), but probably the least number of quality mid-age players in the competition and yet you want to trade away arguably our best mid-age player for an unknown quantity. How many more years of pain do you want?

Keeping Lance won't have anything to do with how many years of pain we have, he's in good form and we're still rock bottom!

By the time this side is rebuilt with draft picks Stevens and Whitnall will be finished. Stevens heart doesn't even appear to be in it at the moment and he's letting the side down badly with lack of leadership.

I don't think any of them are irreplaceable longterm based on this season and this club should be brave as Hawthorn who let them go for picks. Thompson is in career best form ATM but you don't hear them complaining about having just five wins on the board. They know they've got a young list with a lot of promise and they'll add to it this year with another talent.

We should do the same thing if we know we can secure Hansen in the draft and trade players for quality picks in the draft to get what we need. We should consider trading Fisher for a pick to target a ruckman like Renouf.

Or consider trading him for a midfielder or ruckman from another club who is a good young player but stuck behind similar types at his club.

We tried to trade Lance last year so he can't be that indispensable.

 

[BlueWorld]

According to your plans, given Kouta and French will be gone and Lance is traded, our most experienced player will be Matty Lappin (who is currently running around in the VFL). Our next most experienced players will be Stevens and Fevola. So who do we give the captaincy to? Lappin (might be a bit hard if he is running around in the VFL). Stevens (is not handling being tagged, can't see him coping with the leadership on top of that). Fevola (love him to death, but he is not ready to be captain yet). It quickly falls away after that. We have a ready made captain, with one of the best football brains in the competition and you want to trade him. Why? Because it is going to be a super draft and you want extra picks. So we lose one of only 3 current 200 game players at the club to pick up a kid who we can't even guarantee will make the grade.

Most supporters want to trade Stevens & force Lappin into retirement so that will leave Fevola as our most experienced player.

 

[WTTF]

Just wondering if you guys think he has a postion in the team next year. Don't get me wrong, he is a great player and has had a wonderful year but where play him.

FORWARD LINE - maybe pinch hit, but with Kennedy playing CHF, Fev playing FF and Fish and Waite alternating between the other tall position in the forward line, there isn't a permenant spot for him.

BACKLINE - certainly struggles against quicker, leading players (aka Lucas today, even though Lucas isn't that quick). With Thornton, Bower, Hartlett and now Setanta filling our tall tagging roles, there is no room. What about a loose man? If we draft Hansen, i think that will be his job.

Not saying he should be traded, but he is too good and too valuable to be a backup player. Plus he turns 28 next year

Personally, I'd be looking to trade him. Lets face it, his trade value is now the highest its been in 4 years, he is nearly 28, aint getting any quicker, whilst the game is.

The club won't have the balls to trade him, and no doubt he'll probably be our Captain next year.

The development of Hartlett, Bower and Kennedy will probably determine where Lance plays in the future.

 

[jj1978]

Although I'm a big fan of Lance it's a hard call on whether to keep him or trade him.

To Keep:

1. A True Blue
2. Great footy brain and would love to have him as an assistant coach when his playing days are over. By trading him could really make him want to associate with the Blues in the future could be jeapordised.
3. Best choice for captain next year.


To Trade:
1. With footy as it is now he may have only 3 seasons left in him, and as mentioned his tradeability is the best it'll be come end of season.
2. When we are up for premiership contention he may be past it, perhaps give him satisfaction of trading to a team that has a chance in the next 3 years.
3. Risk of him becoming slower or not being able to control his weight.


It's a tough call to make. But if a club offered us something extraordinary to trade him you could not fault CFC for thinking about it.