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[leon123]

No you said social housing that is different from community housing

The Vic government plan doesn't increase public housing stock, it at best replaces existing stock but with years of reduced stock first

It also gives access to public land for developers to make a profit off selling housing

It is like most housing policy announced around the country to "deal" with the crisis largely an excuse to subsidize private developer profits at the very real cost of public assets and support for people who actually need it

It is s**t and it's why Vic ALP members are trying to get it changed into a slightly better policy

Your other point on private sector tiny housing via removal of red tape is also crappy neoliberal style policy where you make it easier for developers to profit by reducing regulations but don't guarantee an actual outcome that helps people

Tiny houses are not houses they've really caravans

Your solution to the housing crisis is expensive caravans for the poors via private profits

It's saying poor people don't deserve a real home

Now your just making up stuff.

My solution you said: "neo liberal style policy ... for developer profit"... couldnt be further from the truth. The 'rules' associated with relaxing permits, effectively excludes the development industry. ie you cant subdivide, you cant sell do you understand that? How are developers going to get involved? How are they going to profit

No it doesnt increase public housing stock I agree, it increases affordable housing outcomes within the social housing sector.

I think you maybe confusing the debate with the redevelopment of the old public housing towers in south yarra, Kensington etc.

Have you any solutions? I do, its simple, pay more tax, allocate to social housing sector, or redirect existing tax base

 

[Kram]

More public housing definitely required for those battling in need but it would be nice if there was actually some consequences for those that just abuse it by continually engage in antisocial behaviour, repeatedly vandalise the property and graffiti the neighbourhood.

 

[burge13]

More public housing definitely required for those battling in need but it would be nice if there was actually some consequences for those that just abuse it by continually engage in antisocial behaviour, repeatedly vandalise the property and graffiti the neighbourhood.

We need way more built but also a better vetting process for who gets them. Poor lady at work stressing like mad being evicted when she works (not great money but puts an honest shift in), too old to get a mortgage so stuck. Deserves help

Yet on my street, one of 2 public housing I have never seen in anything but pyjamas. Outside smoking whenever you drive by no matter the time of day/night. Never worked. It's just so wrong to me people use the system to not try yet get looked after while we let down those trying their best.

Probably going halves with my brother in a block of land. The direction the city is growing, this land will be needed within a decade and could fit 25-30 houses on it. If we can see that and plan ahead to use it, why the heck isn't the government or council not buying it and start building now...

 

[Kram]

I don't care in the slightest whether they are working or not, people still need a roof over their heads but I don't think it's too much to respect it a bit and not completely trash the place along with the neighbourhood.

It's very obvious that once somebody is in one they can just do whatever they want and it's virtually impossible to be kicked out.

And yep it's very sad that people desperately needing some help with one sit on a wait list.

Edit

https://thewest.com.au/politics/sta...in-property-damage-and-unpaid-rent-c-10844102

 

[Frank Grimes]

I don't care in the slightest whether they are working or not, people still need a roof over their heads but I don't think it's too much to respect it a bit and not completely trash the place along with the neighbourhood.

It's very obvious that once somebody is in one they can just do whatever they want and it's virtually impossible to be kicked out.

And yep it's very sad that people desperately needing some help with one sit on a wait list.

Edit

https://thewest.com.au/politics/sta...in-property-damage-and-unpaid-rent-c-10844102

I'm not sure if it's actually done, but public housing should have 6 monthly inspections imo. The tenants should pay for any accidental or malicious damage caused by them. If there is damage from wear and tear then the government should pay to repair it.

 

[DangerousD]

Yeah
It's not a public housing big build

It's mostly leasing or selling off public land so developers can make a profit for no net increase in public housing stock

It's s**t

I thought it was for a 10% increase in public housing stock? Which isn’t much

 

[Kram]

Labor to spend $11.3b on social housing​

Phillip CooreyPolitical editor
Updated May 10, 2024 – 10.49pm, first published at 5.46pm
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The Albanese government will dedicate $11.3 billion towards three new housing measures of the next five years as it steps up its response to the housing crisis.
Following a late afternoon meeting on Friday of the national cabinet, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese announced a new $9.3 billion, five-year National Agreement on Social Housing and Homelessness to enable the states and territories to combat homelessness, provide crisis support, and build and repair social housing.

 

[Gigantic]

 

[kickazz]

Basically proposes a lottery for non owners, regardless of means, to purchase homes well under market value. Restrictions on selling it, but still it boils down to a lottery

 

[barreness]

Basically proposes a lottery for non owners, regardless of means, to purchase homes well under market value. Restrictions on selling it, but still it boils down to a lottery

Or you know, public housing

Such a crazy proposition. I say as I sit in old public housing that was sold into the private sector.
Could just, do it again ya know

 

[Frank Grimes]

Or you know, public housing

Such a crazy proposition. I say as I sit in old public housing that was sold into the private sector.
Could just, do it again ya know

I would like to see more public housing too. I think the road block is that it would cost the government a mint to purchase enough land and houses necessary to house all of the poorest in society in locations they need to live.

It will be bit of a hard sell to say "hey, we will solve the house crisis with public housing, but we will be doubling or tripling the taxes to do so".

It would have been better for them not to sell the public housing in the first place and even buy more over time as it was required imo.

The private rental properties were never meant to be; or should have been used as a substitute for public housing.

 

[barreness]

I would like to see more public housing too. I think the road block is that it would cost the government a mint to purchase enough land and houses necessary to house all of the poorest in society in locations they need to live.

It will be bit of a hard sell to say "hey, we will solve the house crisis with public housing, but we will be doubling or tripling the taxes to do so".

It would have been better for them not to sell the public housing in the first place and even buy more over time as it was required imo.

The private rental properties were never meant to be; or should have been used as a substitute for public housing.

Yeh not to be argumentative, agree with most of your post

But please, buying a few blocks near train stations and building commie blocks doesn't take a doubling of taxes

 

[Kram]

But please, buying a few blocks near train stations and building commie blocks doesn't take a doubling of taxes

Grouped together like that good luck not creating a slum.

 

[barreness]

Grouped together like that good luck not creating a slum.

mehh, slums are better than homeless. It's a mechanism for getting them out of their shit, will it be perfect? of course not

 

[Gralin]

mehh, slums are better than homeless. It's a mechanism for getting them out of their s**t, will it be perfect? of course not

Rich people live together it's a community
Poor people live together it's a slum

Gotta love the double standards

 

[barreness]

Rich people live together it's a community
Poor people live together it's a slum

Gotta love the double standards

Just to go on with this because I feel like a rant

The slums would always be there if it wasn't illegal, see favalas, people will live somewhere so you may as well make it sociable

Unless you're shooting the poor or doing debt prisons I can't see another choice

 

[Kram]

Honestly sometimes...

Grouping public housing together in large blocks in the past has proven to be a massive failure. That's why it is not done anymore.

It's how infamous Perth suburbs like Balga got created.

Or places like this.

Brownlie Towers went from being a utopian paradise to a hotbed of crime

The housing complex in Perth promised so much, but it soon degenerated into a notorious ghetto of crime and violence that left a lasting impact on its former residents.

www.abc.net.au

Needs to be spread out strategically across all suburbs and areas.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Kram is spot on, social housing is necessary but it should never be concentrated in one place. Fixing that would even go a long way to fixing house prices in general, because then you'd have families with school aged children less motivated to move to places where the poors won't be.

 

[Gralin]

Kram is spot on, social housing is necessary but it should never be concentrated in one place. Fixing that would even go a long way to fixing house prices in general, because then you'd have families with school aged children less motivated to move to places where the poors won't be.

Given we don't do highrise outside the cbd i don't think a few blocks near PT is the end of the world.

But you are correct that should be everywhere

 

[kickazz]

Honestly sometimes...

Grouping public housing together in large blocks in the past has proven to be a massive failure. That's why it is not done anymore.

It's how infamous Perth suburbs like Balga got created.

Or places like this.

Brownlie Towers went from being a utopian paradise to a hotbed of crime

The housing complex in Perth promised so much, but it soon degenerated into a notorious ghetto of crime and violence that left a lasting impact on its former residents.

www.abc.net.au

Needs to be spread out strategically across all suburbs and areas.

Except for where I live.

Am I doing it right?

 

[Kram]

Except for where I live.

Am I doing it right?

Yep exactly and it's something that I watch for finally looking for a place to buy in Perth.

But hey I've already done my time living a lifetime near a heap of it.

 

[barreness]

Honestly sometimes...

Grouping public housing together in large blocks in the past has proven to be a massive failure. That's why it is not done anymore.

It's how infamous Perth suburbs like Balga got created.

Or places like this.

Brownlie Towers went from being a utopian paradise to a hotbed of crime

The housing complex in Perth promised so much, but it soon degenerated into a notorious ghetto of crime and violence that left a lasting impact on its former residents.

www.abc.net.au

Needs to be spread out strategically across all suburbs and areas.

Balga is getting gentrified these days, and is mostly fine as is most of perth. KGB is amateur footy lore from the 90's, funny, but not a plan for urban design

Also not an apartment block near a train line in sight that way

 

[Kram]

Balga is getting gentrified these days, and is mostly fine as is most of perth. KGB is amateur footy lore from the 90's, funny, but not a plan for urban design

Also not an apartment block near a train line in sight that way

Yep, because

Major investment by the state government in recent decades has seen areas with high amounts of public housing - such as Lockridge, Balga, Girrawheen, Langford and Willagee - undergo redevelopment to reduce the rate of public housing.

The overhaul followed media criticism the then-Housing Commission had created ‘ghettos’ and ‘one-class estates’ which segregated the poor when it oversaw a post-World War ll housing boom and built entire suburbs purely for public housing.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national...f-perth-s-public-housing-20190306-p5124q.html

 

[barreness]

Yep exactly and it's something that I watch for finally looking for a place to buy in Perth.

But hey I've already done my time living a lifetime near a heap of it.

Legit look in balga, mostly affordable because people have silly hang ups about it. Bunch of nice immigrants that don't understand these things will be your neighbors

 

[barreness]

Yep, because


https://www.watoday.com.au/national...f-perth-s-public-housing-20190306-p5124q.html

The overhaul followed media criticism the then-Housing Commission had created ‘ghettos’ and ‘one-class estates’ which segregated the poor when it oversaw a post-World War ll housing boom and built entire suburbs purely for public housing.

ahhhhhh media critism, the best kind. It's perth, it's australia.......chill out, you're unlikley to be a victim

edit; sorry misread you here, yes public housing should be spread around, it doesnt mean you shouldn't build it though