Leppa's third year.

[lukiuslion]

Leppa has us chipping and hand balling more because we have no targets in the forward line.... They're all injured remember!!

When we kick it longer we usually lose out as we have very rarely had Ariel supremacy.
I think Leppa is hitting home to the boys to lower the eyes had make sure we retain possession.

It just goes bad when you have no continuity in the team

I disagree. I think it's the game plan he has chosen for us to learn and implement over the next 5 years. I don't think he has made up a game plan to learn in the interim period, before we get a forward.

I also think there are far more issues with the game style and our ability to implement it, than injuries.

However, once learned it should hold is in good stead. Just a case of how many years it takes for it to become second nature.

 

[Last of the Roys]

Leppa has us chipping and hand balling more because we have no targets in the forward line.... They're all injured remember!!

When we kick it longer we usually lose out as we have very rarely had Ariel supremacy.
I think Leppa is hitting home to the boys to lower the eyes had make sure we retain possession.

It just goes bad when you have no continuity in the team

If that really is how Leppa is coaching the team then it is a huge mistake IMHO.

With good forwards it might be OK to try and spot up the right option, but with a makeshift forward line it is imperative to get it in there as quickly as possible. It doesn't mean you have to kick to a one on one contest by sitting the ball on someone's head though / or kick it where we are out numbered.

Really we have always looked the best when we run and play fast. The fact that 3/4 of the time our first idea is to now look sideways or backwards is just insane.

We really should look at how the Bulldogs have played this year.

 

[POBT]

I don't completely agree with this. We've had McStay, Freeman, Leuenberger, McGuane, Staker and others to kick to. Even if they don't mark we should be able to set up with crumbers to get a shot on goal or at least lock it in.
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You are assuming those guys know where to be to present as an option. Often, they don't.

I felt like McGuane was the first time all year that we had a tall forward who knew where to be. And he's far from the most instinctive forward going around.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Leppa clearly changes the way he wants up to play week to week depending on opposition. IMO - Last night he told them to attack and go up the middle, at one point lynch said "the lions are just looking to attack through the middle, they need to set up" - we hadn't done that for weeks. Of coarse it is because of weaker opposition, but you saw when we attacked, the ease at which they scored once they got the ball back - imagine if we played like that against a top 4 team? It would be 100 points at half team. The chopping it around Gabe leaves us set up defensively, but at this stage that careful, accurate game is not something we can play. That's why we scored 100 points, pity they scored a lot more.

That at actually makes a lot of sense and makes me feel a bit better about where we are headed.

 

[Kevvo]

You are assuming those guys know where to be to present as an option. Often, they don't.

I felt like McGuane was the first time all year that we had a tall forward who knew where to be. And he's far from the most instinctive forward going around.

There was a moment this same sensation really hit me jarringly.

I think it was his second goal (memory a little hazy) where he floated into a bit of space to receive a 20 odd metre kick from just outside the 50 despite the defense being reasonably well set up, maybe from a free kick. It is incredible how infrequently our forwards have had or followed that kind of instinct this year. That's not to lay into those guys who are young and learning, but it does remind me that scoring has been way harder for us than it needs to be.

It gave me some hope that if we do manage to recruit even a mid-tier established forward, they might have a meaningful impact on our scoring power.

 

[lukiuslion]

That at actually makes a lot of sense and makes me feel a bit better about where we are headed.

Yeah I wrote that post on my phone so it was very messy. lol

I have noticed it every week, againts the Suns we were given license to run through the middle and attack, hense the 100 points, but we all saw what happened on the turn over - we play a completely different style depending on opposition, I think there is an element of preservation involved. It may also be the reason so many people feel like we are confused and there is no game plan.

 

[jackess]

Yeah I wrote that post on my phone so it was very messy. lol

I have noticed it every week, againts the Suns we were given license to run through the middle and attack, hense the 100 points, but we all saw what happened on the turn over - we play a completely different style depending on opposition, I think there is an element of preservation involved. It may also be the reason so many people feel like we are confused and there is no game plan.

I thought it was more likely that the lack of pressure and zoning from the Suns poor midfield left the corridor open and allowed the overlap run. If we were up against Hawthorn or even a half decent midfield like St Kilda they would have shut down the corridor better and pressured the ball carrier more and we wouldn't be able to use it.

 

[Sherrinator]

Yeah I wrote that post on my phone so it was very messy. lol

I have noticed it every week, againts the Suns we were given license to run through the middle and attack, hense the 100 points, but we all saw what happened on the turn over - we play a completely different style depending on opposition, I think there is an element of preservation involved. It may also be the reason so many people feel like we are confused and there is no game plan.

I write all my posts on my phone, hence the uh...

 

[lukiuslion]

I thought it was more likely that the lack of pressure and zoning from the Suns poor midfield left the corridor open and allowed the overlap run. If we were up against Hawthorn or even a half decent midfield like St Kilda they would have shut down the corridor better and pressured the ball carrier more and we wouldn't be able to use it.

I dunno, one quick example is - Geelong, they are known to let sides up the middle if you get your game going, and as they like the corridor too, generally they are happy to enter into a shoot out if you want to take it that way and whilst their defence has been a bit more lock down of late, they can let you through if you attack.

But we had something like double their possessions to half time IIRC? and completely blanketed their forward half, then when we got it.. it was just.. chip.. chip.. chip.. chip.. then when they got it, we were set up ok, so we would hold them defensively for 75% of the time in the first half until we would eventually conceded a couple of easy goals over the back, one to hawkins and a couple of others..

I think had the directive againts geelong been - "just go out and play your game, take it on, if you lose by 80 points its ok".. we could have kicked 100 points againts them, they would just would have kicked 150.

I feel that whilst it's true GC have an easier zone to get through, it was clear from the get go, we have abandoned our standard game plan and where instructed to go up the middle as the perception was 'we can take them on, blow for blow'.

Funny thing is.. I think our defensive cautious game would have seen us win lol!!

 

[The Real JG]

Maybe there won't be a 3rd year.

 

[bato]

Despite the example below eventually resulting in a goal, some of our play through the middle absolutely shits me. We continually overpossess and pick the wrong option and it takes a line breaker like Zorko to burst through and send it inside 50.

Just look at how scrappy and over-complicated we made it.

Jed receives the ball. Instead of backing his pace, he resorts to handballing backwards to Paparone.

Paparone waits... then handballs it BACK to Adcock who gets tackled by the Carlton player, when there were two options screaming from the ball on the outside.

Adcock manages to get the ball out where we had our key defender delivering the ball inside-50. While the midfielders just look on.

I might be overanalysing the situation, but I cannot count how many times we've over-possessed this season. It's almost as if when there are too many options in front of us, we panic and give it to the worst of all those options. Better clubs then hurt us on the rebound and catch out the running defender that started the chain. What is meant to be a quick game plan that Leppa has enforced, it's becoming apparent that some players either feel uncomfortable moving the ball quickly or simply don't have the confidence to do it (despite being a comfortable 20 points up at that stage). I think Leppa and the midfield coaches have some serious work to do over the summer. Seeing as though the midfield is meant to be our strength, we cannot let the basics bring us down. We already have a somewhat non functioning forward line, who need the best and most direct supply they can get.

 

[notliondown]

Despite the example below eventually resulting in a goal, some of our play through the middle absolutely shits me. We continually overpossess and pick the wrong option and it takes a line breaker like Zorko to burst through and send it inside 50.

Just look at how scrappy and over-complicated we made it.

Jed receives the ball. Instead of backing his pace, he resorts to handballing backwards to Paparone.

Paparone waits... then handballs it BACK to Adcock who gets tackled by the Carlton player, when there were two options screaming from the ball on the outside.

Adcock manages to get the ball out where we had our key defender delivering the ball inside-50. While the midfielders just look on.

I might be overanalysing the situation, but I cannot count how many times we've over-possessed this season. It's almost as if when there are too many options in front of us, we panic and give it to the worst of all those options. Better clubs then hurt us on the rebound and catch out the running defender that started the chain. What is meant to be a quick game plan that Leppa has enforced, it's becoming apparent that some players either feel uncomfortable moving the ball quickly or simply don't have the confidence to do it (despite being a comfortable 20 points up at that stage). I think Leppa and the midfield coaches have some serious work to do over the summer. Seeing as though the midfield is meant to be our strength, we cannot let the basics bring us down. We already have a somewhat non functioning forward line, who need the best and most direct supply they can get.

With all due respect to Jed, he's one senior player that frustrates me more than most with being guilty of moving the ball to player under more pressure than himself. He's a parodox... at times so calm and effective and others he hurts us by creating turnovers not directly related to his own possession of the ball.

I get what you were trying to say, but at most times its players bad judgement not game plan that brings us unstuck.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Despite the example below eventually resulting in a goal, some of our play through the middle absolutely shits me. We continually overpossess and pick the wrong option and it takes a line breaker like Zorko to burst through and send it inside 50.

Just look at how scrappy and over-complicated we made it.

Jed receives the ball. Instead of backing his pace, he resorts to handballing backwards to Paparone.

Paparone waits... then handballs it BACK to Adcock who gets tackled by the Carlton player, when there were two options screaming from the ball on the outside.

Adcock manages to get the ball out where we had our key defender delivering the ball inside-50. While the midfielders just look on.

I might be overanalysing the situation, but I cannot count how many times we've over-possessed this season. It's almost as if when there are too many options in front of us, we panic and give it to the worst of all those options. Better clubs then hurt us on the rebound and catch out the running defender that started the chain. What is meant to be a quick game plan that Leppa has enforced, it's becoming apparent that some players either feel uncomfortable moving the ball quickly or simply don't have the confidence to do it (despite being a comfortable 20 points up at that stage). I think Leppa and the midfield coaches have some serious work to do over the summer. Seeing as though the midfield is meant to be our strength, we cannot let the basics bring us down. We already have a somewhat non functioning forward line, who need the best and most direct supply they can get.

One of the problems with watching games on tv is that we can't see what is happening on the far right off the screen. I'd guess that either Brisbane forwards are out of position or have led late by not anticipating the play; or even more likely that Carlton are playing a +1 in defence. Given Adcock is a decent player and in a great position to kick forward I think that is a better explanation than a gameplan instruction to handball more (unless it is an instruction in order to deal with CArlton's +1 in which case it might be reasonable).

 

[Schache It Off]

Some rumour floating around on the rumours board that Leppa will be gone real soon.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Some rumour floating around on the rumours board that Leppa will be gone real soon.

Where?

 

[Lace Out]

Some rumour floating around on the rumours board that Leppa will be gone real soon.

On big footy ?

 

[Schache It Off]

Where?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/brisbane-lions-to-have-new-coach-for-2016-onwards.1107643/

Yeah yeah I know rumours board and I doubt it would happen but why a story going on about how Leppa has lost some of the playing group when he is trying to instill a family culture

 

[Skoob]

Maybe the board has finally convinced Roos, because yanno, he's doing awesome.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Leppa will get a 3rd year and a 4th and a 5th. I will think this over again in a few years.

 

[Eons]

With all due respect to Jed, he's one senior player that frustrates me more than most with being guilty of moving the ball to player under more pressure than himself. He's a parodox... at times so calm and effective and others he hurts us by creating turnovers not directly related to his own possession of the ball.

I get what you were trying to say, but at most times its players bad judgement not game plan that brings us unstuck.

Exactly. Don't think the game plan is to handball to a bloke who is under pressure.

 

[Eons]

Some rumour floating around on the rumours board that Leppa will be gone real soon.

Highly doubt this is the case.

 

[lukiuslion]

Sincerely hope this isn't true. The man deserves a third year. If rumors (largely incorrect or inflated IMO) of a player exodus are true it really does leave him precariously positioned, given his focus on 'family' however I doubt those rumors are correct.

It would fall into the category of a 'shock sacking' and the club can I'll afford that right now, give the man his third year and if any players are running a mutiny or are 'displeased' with the coach, tell them to pack their bags, regardless of whether or not leppa is the man, it's time we had a player culture that is known for it's commitment and buy in, rather than it's complaining and it disunity.

In leppa we trust.

 

[knaf]

Coach of team at the bottom of the ladder. Coach telling some senior players things they don't want to hear because performance is not up to scratch. Rumours of players being unhappy. Rumour coach will be sacked. If we were a Melbourne club the "story" would be filling the back page of the Feral Hun.

Just more BF BS I think.

 

[matwt73]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/brisbane-lions-to-have-new-coach-for-2016-onwards.1107643/

Yeah yeah I know rumours board and I doubt it would happen but why a story going on about how Leppa has lost some of the playing group when he is trying to instill a family culture

I'm going to put that into the big list of things that are never going to happen.

I'm still backing Leppa.

One of the things that I think Leppa was able to do in his first year was to make football fun again for a lot of the boys. He had no pressure on him so he took the pressure off the players, and there was a generally positive energy around the place.

If some of the players took 'footy can be fun' as meaning 'this is all a bit of a laugh', then clearly something got lost in the message and Leppa (and the club), need to take some ownership of that. Fact is the funnest thing about sport is winning, and that is going to take discipline and team structures and playing roles. The players have now seen enough of Leppa and he's seen enough of them to know if they can get on the same page. If they can't it wouldn't be Leppa I'd be looking at cutting adrift.

 

[carnthemlions]

Highly doubt this is the case.

It's on the scandals and rumours board. nuff said.