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At the end of the financial year the economy will have been the worst on record since 1992, a year after the recession.
Demand for property has dropped 20 percent.
The dollar is very close to the levels it was in the GFC.
 
The first sign of something serious will be when you see smaller/remote cities and towns that rely on a couple of big employers who start to lay people off.

This has already happened in my town. Went from an abundance of jobs a few years ago to high unemployment after a closure of couple of big industries. Rents dropped off as a result, meaning a lot of riff raff moved here for rentals.
 

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This has already happened in my town. Went from an abundance of jobs a few years ago to high unemployment after a closure of couple of big industries. Rents dropped off as a result, meaning a lot of riff raff moved here for rentals.

My dad works in Cobar, one mine just laid two thirds of its workforce off in prep for closer because mineral prices and ore is running dry. They were the biggest employer in town.

He's ok as the mine he works at mines different shit that's a bit less volatile in the market.

Still a bit scary, not so much the small scale, unfortunately that's part of life as a miner for some, but the fact a six thousand people town in the middle of nowhere may be all wound up in a few more years.


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Anyone really struggle with self-sabotage? Every time I work my ass off to get to a reasonable position it's like i'm afraid of success and just ruin it for myself. I'm aware of this but I just can't stop these negative patterns. Then I fall into a snowballing depression to the point i'm suicidal, realise I need to pull myself out and rinse and repeat.
I 'liked' this post because I can relate to it and appreciate somebody else sharing their experiences with this kind of thing.

I'll give an example. I'll stay off the piss for weeks, even months, hit the gym almost every day, eat well, start looking genuinely fit and lean...

...and then I'll go out for a few drinks, why not, I'm feeling good, looking good (by my standards), saved some money by not drinking, time to enjoy myself...

...and then I wake up a week or two later, only two or three kilos heavier but looking five kilos heavier, like I'm back to where I started...

If I'm lucky I'll at least wake up in my own home. Sometimes I wake up in strange places.

But it is not just health and alcohol. I've done this with other things. I remember after studying so hard all of Year 12 I basically 'gave up' for the last exam. I was cooked.

It was my sixth subject so it 'didn't really matter' but in the end my enter (going back a few years) was pretty high, and at the pointy end of a cohort, an extra few marks on that final exam might have pushed me up another enter point. We'll never know.

As for suicidal thoughts, I don't know how far your thoughts go with this, but I have had plenty of days where I wouldn't have cared if the world had ended.

At all.

Not so much thoughts about killing myself, I've never thought through to the point of 'I want to kill myself' and 'here is how I'll do it', but I have had thoughts along the lines of '**** this I'm over it, don't care if I die'.

I suspect a lot of people go through this from time to time. Not everybody but a lot of people. For obvious reasons, most won't speak about it publicly.

Point is, you're not alone. Life has its ups and downs.
 
I think there is a big distinction between giving up/not caring about living and actively seeking to end your own life.

Completely relate to the health and fitness examples above. Takes effort to build good habits, bad habits can creep in quickly. Had a really healthy period a month or so back. Already play a bit of sport, go to the gym, eat relatively well etc. but decided to try and do something active every day if I could fit it in, had no soft drinks of any kind, ate minimal carbs and lots of veges and lean meat etc. and was feeling really good. Decided to have an 830pm dinner of takeaway Maccas after a sports game because then in the following week or two probably had 5 meals worse than anything I'd eaten in the last 5 or 6 weeks and felt like lying on the couch every night.
 
I think there is a big distinction between giving up/not caring about living and actively seeking to end your own life.

Completely relate to the health and fitness examples above. Takes effort to build good habits, bad habits can creep in quickly. Had a really healthy period a month or so back. Already play a bit of sport, go to the gym, eat relatively well etc. but decided to try and do something active every day if I could fit it in, had no soft drinks of any kind, ate minimal carbs and lots of veges and lean meat etc. and was feeling really good. Decided to have an 830pm dinner of takeaway Maccas after a sports game because then in the following week or two probably had 5 meals worse than anything I'd eaten in the last 5 or 6 weeks and felt like lying on the couch every night.

Agree with the bolded but I'd say perhaps it's easy to build habits, much harder to break them. I'm like you. When I'm intermittent fasting I can go weeks without even being tempted by Maccas or a cool, tall glass of coke. But as soon as I crave one and then give into that craving, I will binge on sugar and greasy food.
 
Yep, if you are used to drinking soft drink each day or having multiple beers each night then trying to change those habits isn't easy. If you can get through a week or two just drinking water then the urge definitely drops right off. Then you crack open a tin and think '**** how good is this? and before you know it you are waking up hungover on the couch.
 
It makes sense I guess that, if you've been abusing your body for years, that it'll take more than a few weeks to reprogram but **** me it is disappointing when you go 'I've been exercising and eating right for a whole month, I'm in great shape and feel wonderful' then you find yourself in the drive thru and its back to square one.
 

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I think it's important to keep on top of lifestyle overall. Diet, exercise, sleep patterns etc. Easy to let one slip which drags the others down. I'm tired so I'll just watch TV tonight, but if I'm just watching TV I'll eat snacks, and it's an interesting series so I'll binge watch until 2am etc. If you fall right off the wagon and eat shit food, drink loads of beers and sit on your arse on the couch watching Netflix of Fox Footy then it can unravel pretty quickly.
 
'' We get home so tired, we drink s**t and eat s**t and don't exercise ''


That's your choice. Change that, consistently, and your perception on yourself and the world will improve dramatically.
 
I’m happy.

Of course, things could always be better. I’m working on that.
I like this. In more ways than one.

'' I’m happy. Of course, things could always be better. I’m working on that ''


And that's a fact. He's happy, could be better, but he's working on it. Working on it the operative word. Some people are naturally Happy by nature. Quite a few aren't. It takes consistently working on it and one's self to be happy and stay happy. As several have pointed out being healthy and staying healthy requires you to do it consistently. Good sleep, eat healthy, exercise, making sacrifices. You don't just get there then say **** it, no more exercising and eating right for 3 months not doing a thing and sleeping shit. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Even a successful athlete or Holloywood actor would get depressed if they ate crap all the time sat around in a room without exercising and sleeping. They'd feel like shit very fast. A matter of days. People live like that for years/their whole life.
 
It's hard to maintain good habits in the face of changing circumstance.

I need to take metamucil before bed, but I spend 90 odd minutes getting the baby to sleep and by then I'm wrecked and too scared to do anything that may make noise like stirring a glass.

It's a choice about actions and reactions and by the time I put her down for her nightly couple hours I'm not game to do anything that may react with that ending prematurely.
 
You can’t take the glass and the Metamucil to the other end of the house...?

Oh I've gone and done it outside before. Lately due to not wanting to go out in to the winter night I've dropped off completely. Still gotta come in and rinse the glass. Also with metamucil you want to mix it as soon as possible, longer it sits in the water the worse it is.
 

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It's hard to maintain good habits in the face of changing circumstance.

I need to take metamucil before bed, but I spend 90 odd minutes getting the baby to sleep and by then I'm wrecked and too scared to do anything that may make noise like stirring a glass.

It's a choice about actions and reactions and by the time I put her down for her nightly couple hours I'm not game to do anything that may react with that ending prematurely.
Put it in a shaker :thumbsu:

Drinking is the killer. Almost always results in bad decisions. I'm not talking about putting your rent money on a dog at Mandurah on a Friday night or spending you weeks wage on a "unique" Coles Little Shop item on ebay, I'm talking dietary.

Couple of beers = can't be bothered cooking. Which equals take out.
Wake up = bit dusty. Which equals more bad food, some fizz and no energy to exercise.

The cycle basically repeats itself until next thing you know you've put on 5kg in a fortnight.
 
'' We get home so tired, we drink s**t and eat s**t and don't exercise ''

That's your choice. Change that, consistently, and your perception on yourself and the world will improve dramatically.

Yeah I think the point is that that is a lot easier for some people than others. Simple, but not easy. I make no excuses for the periods when I choose to be a lazy piece of shit because they are irregular and I am self aware. I know that if I laze around on the couch drinking tins watching TV I will lose energy and not want to exercise or cook etc. which is why I don't do it all the time. If I could drink 8 pints and eat a burger each night and not exercise and feel/look great and wake up without a hangover, well, I would.

Diet and exercise aren't rocket science. 'Eat less, move more' and 'Eat food, not too much, mostly plants' have never stopped being valid. I think a lot of people overcomplicate things and try to justify their behaviours. The thing about science (and that's all diet and exercise are) is that you can't escape it with feelings. If you 'don't have enough time to exercise' rather than just choose not to then you still don't exercise. You don't get special life points that make up for not exercising if you convince yourself that you couldn't find the time.
 
Put it in a shaker :thumbsu:

Drinking is the killer. Almost always results in bad decisions. I'm not talking about putting your rent money on a dog at Mandurah on a Friday night or spending you weeks wage on a "unique" Coles Little Shop item on ebay, I'm talking dietary.

Couple of beers = can't be bothered cooking. Which equals take out.
Wake up = bit dusty. Which equals more bad food, some fizz and no energy to exercise.

The cycle basically repeats itself until next thing you know you've put on 5kg in a fortnight.
Even more than physical health being affected I just find I get bugger all things done when I'm drinking.
 
I 'liked' this post because I can relate to it and appreciate somebody else sharing their experiences with this kind of thing.

I'll give an example. I'll stay off the piss for weeks, even months, hit the gym almost every day, eat well, start looking genuinely fit and lean...

...and then I'll go out for a few drinks, why not, I'm feeling good, looking good (by my standards), saved some money by not drinking, time to enjoy myself...

...and then I wake up a week or two later, only two or three kilos heavier but looking five kilos heavier, like I'm back to where I started...

If I'm lucky I'll at least wake up in my own home. Sometimes I wake up in strange places.

But it is not just health and alcohol. I've done this with other things. I remember after studying so hard all of Year 12 I basically 'gave up' for the last exam. I was cooked.

It was my sixth subject so it 'didn't really matter' but in the end my enter (going back a few years) was pretty high, and at the pointy end of a cohort, an extra few marks on that final exam might have pushed me up another enter point. We'll never know.

As for suicidal thoughts, I don't know how far your thoughts go with this, but I have had plenty of days where I wouldn't have cared if the world had ended.

At all.

Not so much thoughts about killing myself, I've never thought through to the point of 'I want to kill myself' and 'here is how I'll do it', but I have had thoughts along the lines of 'fu** this I'm over it, don't care if I die'.

I suspect a lot of people go through this from time to time. Not everybody but a lot of people. For obvious reasons, most won't speak about it publicly.

Point is, you're not alone. Life has its ups and downs.

It's funny ain't it, no ones perfect and we all have our vices, some more destructive than others. I guess for me, i've had prolonged periods were I've been bed bound, so suicidal thoughts have definitely entered my mind, I don't think I have the guts to ever go through with it though. End of the day happiness is a choice for me, at least that's how I look at it. Exercise, good diet, socialising all help.
 

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