Autopsy Like, learn, hate - Round 11

[citizen-erased]

Liked:
Dons effort & the Kelly/Scully show (soft spot for GWS)
Tyson Goldsack. Effort of the year.
Gold Coast starting to believe in themselves.

Learned
Taylor Walker & Brodie Smith need to lift. Two experienced heads in that team well down on their output.
Bellchambers has rediscovered his ruck game. His 3 games this year he has won the contest. Massive game against Ryder this week
Collingwood will play finals.
West Coast not winning the flag.....i had them winning it.

Hated:
Setterfield signing a deal you were supposed to come to us
The Selwood free kick show. The high that split his head open was a poor call and until every player starts doing the shoulder shrug, the AFL won't act. Ruined a good game of football.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Liked: A few umpiring clangers going our way for once in 3Q

Learned: Selwood has the hardest head of any human

Hated: "Safe" selections (West Coast & Freo) going under

 

[PhatBoy]

Liked:
Dons effort & the Kelly/Scully show (soft spot for GWS)
Tyson Goldsack. Effort of the year.
Gold Coast starting to believe in themselves.

Learned
Taylor Walker & Brodie Smith need to lift. Two experienced heads in that team well down on their output.
Bellchambers has rediscovered his ruck game. His 3 games this year he has won the contest. Massive game against Ryder this week
Collingwood will play finals.
West Coast not winning the flag.....i had them winning it.

Hated:
Setterfield signing a deal you were supposed to come to us
The Selwood free kick show. The high that split his head open was a poor call and until every player starts doing the shoulder shrug, the AFL won't act. Ruined a good game of football.

Didn't the umpire - correctly - point out that the crows player wasn't watching the ball by the time it got there?

And yes I know that 'things happen' but surely an elbow that hits a player's head hard enough to nearly cut it to the skull constitutes high contact?

There was nothing malicious about it by any means and I'm sure that pinging a player every time they made a bit of cranial contact would make every match take 10 hours. But surely there were worse calls over the weekend.

 

[citizen-erased]

Didn't the umpire - correctly - point out that the crows player wasn't watching the ball by the time it got there?

And yes I know that 'things happen' but surely an elbow that hits a player's head hard enough to nearly cut it to the skull constitutes high contact?

There was nothing malicious about it by any means and I'm sure that pinging a player every time they made a bit of cranial contact would make every match take 10 hours. But surely there were worse calls over the weekend.

Ill cede the 1st one that he earned it earlier, but he still lifted the arm, and he has continued to do so. i hate seeing it.

As for the one against Otten, he jumped into a mark. And Otten was pushed.
Because he was hurt does not warrant a free kick. Selwood initiated the contact. Brave or not, it wasn't a free and shouldn't be paid.
Funnily enough, we had 2 guys punched in the head on the weekend during marking contests. not a thing paid.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ill cede the 1st one that he earned it earlier, but he still lifted the arm, and he has continued to do so. i hate seeing it.

As for the one against Otten, he jumped into a mark. And Otten was pushed.
Because he was hurt does not warrant a free kick. Selwood initiated the contact. Brave or not, it wasn't a free and shouldn't be paid.
Funnily enough, we had 2 guys punched in the head on the weekend during marking contests. not a thing paid.

He initiated the contact? What, like Peter Caven initiated contact with Tony Lockett's elbow?

 

[citizen-erased]

He initiated the contact? What, like Peter Caven initiated contact with Tony Lockett's elbow?

yep thats a good comparison.
A) Otten was pushed
B) Selwood didn't touch the ball and made contact to Otten's arm
Otten deserved a free twice over. Yet Selwood got the free.

maybe we can use that as a new technique. spoil marking attempts with your head.

 

[dean33]

It was in reference to Dunn leaving a club who hasn't won a final for a decade. Might have gone over your head though.

What is successful about the pies for the last 5 years?

 

[JackoSpades]

liked: Goldies effort, Hawks no show, the Tigers and the Bombers effort.
learnt: Adelaide need plan B, the Pies players believe in Bucks, will be coach in 2018
disliked: geelong supporters are back (have reason to be) pies list of injuries

 

[DangerSloane]

Didn't the umpire - correctly - point out that the crows player wasn't watching the ball by the time it got there?

And yes I know that 'things happen' but surely an elbow that hits a player's head hard enough to nearly cut it to the skull constitutes high contact?

There was nothing malicious about it by any means and I'm sure that pinging a player every time they made a bit of cranial contact would make every match take 10 hours. But surely there were worse calls over the weekend.

LOL!
Otten was PUSHED by the geelong player into him. Shoved straight in the middle of the back
Should've been a free kick to Adelaide.

 

[DangerSloane]

yep thats a good comparison.
A) Otten was pushed
B) Selwood didn't touch the ball and made contact to Otten's arm
Otten deserved a free twice over. Yet Selwood got the free.

maybe we can use that as a new technique. spoil marking attempts with your head.

Its nothing new. Selwood has led with his head in every contest for 5+ years now.

Dont get me wrong, he's a tough egg, but he initiates the contact most of the time.

 

[PhatBoy]

Its nothing new. Selwood has led with his head in every contest for 5+ years now.

Dont get me wrong, he's a tough egg, but he initiates the contact most of the time.

If he deserved a free for anything it was for being HELD by Stewart, not pushed.

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/06/03/...ve-cut-to-the-head-in-win-over-adelaide-crows

 

[DangerSloane]

If he deserved a free for anything it was for being HELD by Stewart, not pushed.

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/06/03/...ve-cut-to-the-head-in-win-over-adelaide-crows

So his body thrust forward by itself, going against logic and the laws of physics?
But glad you can admit it should've been a free kick in the other direction.

 

[PhatBoy]

So his body thrust forward by itself, going against logic and the laws of physics?
But glad you can admit it should've been a free kick in the other direction.

Amazingly, when he jumped forward toward the flight of the ball, he went forward to the flight of the ball. Yes it really spits in the face of physics doesnt it. Stewart had a tenuous at best hold on his jumper. But yes, IF it was a free to the Crows pleb - which is more than debatable - it would be for holding his jumper rather than pushing him.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think what's being forgotten is that if our home game had been played in Adelaide like it should have been, maybe the situation wouldn't have arisen

 

[citizen-erased]

Amazingly, when he jumped forward toward the flight of the ball, he went forward to the flight of the ball. Yes it really spits in the face of physics doesnt it. Stewart had a tenuous at best hold on his jumper. But yes, IF it was a free to the Crows pleb - which is more than debatable - it would be for holding his jumper rather than pushing him.

It looked like a push at the time, if its a hold its still a free kick. And it also ignores that Selwood got none of the ball and only Otten's arm(s).
Its either interference or a chop of the arms. in this case though, free kick Selwood.

Edit - on review Selwood does get to the ball. The call against Otten for interference is ridiculous though. its a free to Otten for the infringement from Stewart (hold and push at the last second) or play on and we accept it as part of AFL...which is probably the better outcome.

 

[DangerSloane]

Amazingly, when he jumped forward toward the flight of the ball, he went forward to the flight of the ball. Yes it really spits in the face of physics doesnt it. Stewart had a tenuous at best hold on his jumper. But yes, IF it was a free to the Crows pleb - which is more than debatable - it would be for holding his jumper rather than pushing him.

Hmmm arms are bend, then arms extended, both times hands in the back.
Holding, push in the back, hands in the back. Make up your mind its probably all of them

 

[PhatBoy]

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Hmmm arms are bend, then arms extended, both times hands in the back.
Holding, push in the back, hands in the back. Make up your mind its probably all of them

Play it at adelaide

 

[DangerSloane]

Play it at adelaide

Glad to see you can respond to the topic at hand.
One of those people who knows they're wrong so deflects.

 

[PhatBoy]

Glad to see you can respond to the topic at hand.
One of those people who knows they're wrong so deflects.

Wrong about what?

He wasn't pushed. That's obvious to anyone who watches.
Maybe he's got his jumper - no more than any defender that plays on Tom Hawkins.
I'm sure if I went through the whole game I could find plenty of adelaide infringements that went unpunished.

You've accused a guy who is going back with the flight of the ball making a legitimate attempt to take the mark, of initiating contact. With an opponent's arm.

I'm just trying to find a way of defending him that's as brainless as your way of having a go at him.

 

[DangerSloane]

Wrong about what?

He wasn't pushed. That's obvious to anyone who watches.
Maybe he's got his jumper - no more than any defender that plays on Tom Hawkins.
I'm sure if I went through the whole game I could find plenty of adelaide infringements that went unpunished.

You've accused a guy who is going back with the flight of the ball making a legitimate attempt to take the mark, of initiating contact. With an opponent's arm.

I'm just trying to find a way of defending him that's as brainless as your way of having a go at him.

So there were plenty of times in the game where a free kick was given one way, where it should have been the other way?
Care to give me any examples?

 

[PhatBoy]

So there were plenty of times in the game where a free kick was given one way, where it should have been the other way?
Care to give me any examples?

No free kick should have been given to Adelaide in the above example. If you pay that you might as well suspend players for bad breath.
My point was that if there WAS an indiscretion on Geelong's part, it wasn't for pushing him.

I don't really understand why you're still getting menstrual about it.

I reckon I could find a dozen examples of both sides doing something that should have been penalised, or not doing something they were penalised for. None of which explains why your bitch outfit found themselves nearly 50 points down with more than a quarter to play.

Look I'm sure if you add up our unfair home advantage and the extra free kick we got over the corse of the night, it probably works out that you guys actually win by 70-80 points but we will never know.

 

[DangerSloane]

No free kick should have been given to Adelaide in the above example. If you pay that you might as well suspend players for bad breath.
My point was that if there WAS an indiscretion on Geelong's part, it wasn't for pushing him.

I don't really understand why you're still getting menstrual about it.

I reckon I could find a dozen examples of both sides doing something that should have been penalised, or not doing something they were penalised for. None of which explains why your bitch outfit found themselves nearly 50 points down with more than a quarter to play.

Look I'm sure if you add up our unfair home advantage and the extra free kick we got over the corse of the night, it probably works out that you guys actually win by 70-80 points but we will never know.

Yes but can you find a time where a free kick was paid to the wrong team.
Not one that should've been paid and wasnt, or one that was paid that shouldnt have been.

I'm actually now caring more about exposing your bullsh*t than anything else.

 

[catscratchfever]

If we're playing at our joint during finals, you'd think the 2nd half of the seasons gone pretty poorly for you?

Stranger things have happened. But it doesn't matter, I'd still be confident of giving your mob of pop-stars and show-ponies a pantsing - anytime, anywhere.

 

[catscratchfever]

You'd want to hope your players don't agree with you. Adelaide have aspects of their game plan they need to work on ASAP, but they've been exposed at the perfect time. They are a very serious contender.

The players either turn up to play or they don't. Against Adelaide, they have shown consistently over a long period of time that they turn up to play... And they couldn't care less what you or I have to say about it.

 

[DangerSloane]

Stranger things have happened. But it doesn't matter, I'd still be confident of giving your mob of pop-stars and show-ponies a pantsing - anytime, anywhere.

Pop stars and show ponies?
Our biggest show pony now plays for you blokes.

Also after Scott Selwood's comedy tour, he'd wanna win a flag pretty soon.
Slagging off Dale Thomas, who has infinitely more all-australians and premierships than him, and probably getting paid double.
Plays a couple of good games for the first time in about 4 seasons and he gets on the lip.

Scott Selwood career highlights
1: holds a tackle record
2: famous brother