Updated LISK The Long Island Serial Killer Gilgo Beach *Local architect Rex Heuermann arrested

[Kurve]

It's complicated, with body parts found at different times scattered across counties. Here's a really good timeline.

TIMELINE

Developments are ongoing with the page in the link above updated as news is released.

 

[Pamcake1]

7/8/23 Of interest this NYTimes article;​

Twilight of the Serial Killer: Cases Like Gilgo Beach Become Ever Rarer​

Serial murders have dwindled, thanks to a cautious citizenry and improved technology. But sociopaths have found new methods of mayhem.

The crowds that gathered near the home of Rex Heuermann were part of an increasingly rare ritual.Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times

By Hurubie Meko
Aug. 6, 2023, 3:00 a.m. ET
Rex Heuermann, the meticulous architectural consultant who the authorities say murdered three women and buried them on a Long Island beach more than a decade ago, may have been among the last of the dying breed of American serial killers.
Even as serial killers came to inhabit a central place in the nation’s imagination — inspiring hit movies, television shows, books, podcasts and more — their actual number was dwindling dramatically. There were once hundreds at large, and a spike in the 1970s and ’80s terrified the country. Now only a handful at most are known to be active, researchers say.
The techniques that led to the arrest of Mr. Heuermann, who has pleaded not guilty to the crimes, help explain the waning of serial killing, which the F.B.I. defines as the same person killing two or more victims in separate events at different times.
It is harder to hide. Rapid advances in investigative technology, video and other digital surveillance tools, as well as the ability to analyze mountains of information, quickly allow the authorities to find killers who before would have gone undetected.

At the same time, Americans have adopted more cautious habits in their everyday lives — hitchhiking, for example, is less common, and children are driven to and from school. That reduces easy targets. And, some theorize, those bent on killing now opt for spectacular mass murders.
“The ‘perfect crime’ concept is more of a concept than it ever has been before,” said Adam Scott Wandt, an assistant professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

The Gilgo Beach Serial Killings​

After a decade-long investigation into multiple murders believed to have been carried out by a serial killer on Long Island, a suspect has been arrested.​

• Human Remains: The case began in 2010, with the retrieval of four female bodies on a desolate stretch of Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach. It was only the first of several grisly discoveries: In all, remains of nine women, a man and a toddler were found in the area.
• The Victims: From the beginning, the four women whose bodies were first retrieved were reduced to their profession as prostitutes. That now seems to have changed.
• The Suspect: People who knew the man charged in the serial killings when he was a teenager described him as awkward, solitary and volatile.
• His House: After the arrest, the authorities began collecting evidence at the suspect’s one-story house in Massapequa Park. They found an arsenal of 279 weapons, most of them in a basement vault big enough to walk into.

More than a decade ago, prosecutors said, Mr. Heuermann tried to cover his digital tracks by communicating with victims using so-called burner phones, prepaid units purchased anonymously for temporary use.
But thanks to exponential progress in technology since 2010, investigators were able not only to chart Mr. Heuermann’s decade-old movements; they could also monitor exactly what he was searching online in recent months. They saw that he was using an anonymous account for internet queries like “Why could law enforcement not trace the calls made by the long island serial killer," prosecutors said. He had also been visiting massage parlors and contacting women working as escorts, they said.

The Polygon and the Avalanche: How the Gilgo Beach Suspect Was Found
As investigators spent years looking for a suspect, a key clue was buried in their files. Could they have solved the case years earlier?
The ubiquity of technology has made it harder to get away with murder, Mr. Wandt said. The amount of data people create in their daily lives is more than many can conceptualize, he said. Just by walking outside, people are now tracked by ever-present cameras, from Amazon’s Ring units outside homes to surveillance at banks and retail stores, he said. Every use of a phone or computer creates streams of data that are collected directly on devices or immortalized on servers, he said.

A concerted effort by the federal government to ensure that even the smallest police departments can use technology to their benefit has also helped give investigators an upper hand, Mr. Wandt said.

In 1987, there were 198 known active serial killers — people connected to at least two murders — and 404 known victims across the United States, according to a report published three years ago by researchers who run Radford University and Florida Gulf Coast University’s Serial Killer Database.
By 2018, there were only 12 known serial killers and 44 victims, according to the report.
“The big question is: Are they going underground and finding other techniques?” said Terence Leary, an associate professor in the psychology department at Florida Gulf Coast University and the team leader for the database.
He said that some serial murderers have killed for discrete periods before taking prolonged breaks: “Maybe they decided to give it up. Who knows?”

As the American way of killing has changed, experts are continuing to refine who should be classified as a serial killer and who a “spree killer” or a mass shooter. They make distinctions among grim data points like the number of victims and the lag between murders.
Spree killings and mass murders occur when someone kills several people in a brief period or single episode, while serial killings can span years. Serial killers’ motives are often deeply seated in the psyche: sex, anger and a desire for control.
While mass shootings have increased, many committed by teenagers, serial killings have apparently diminished. But both are committed by “criminal psychopaths,” Mr. Leary said. Some people who might once have become serial killers might instead be choosing a single fatal gesture, he said.
Both categories of people display antisocial personality disorder, he said, meaning that they manipulate and violate people without guilt. “It’s very possible that a shift is taking place,” Mr. Leary said.
The two practices also reflect their respective eras. Mass killers today have taken to livestreaming massacres and leaving behind manifestoes. Serial killers, who flourished in an age before social media, operated clandestinely in many cases. The serial killer who buried his victims near Gilgo Beach was careful to try to hide his crimes. He bound his victims with tape or belts and wrapped them in shrouds of camouflage-patterned burlap.

In all, 11 bodies have been found since 2011 on the stretch of the South Shore that includes Gilgo Beach. In addition to the three deaths in which he is charged, Mr. Heuermann, 59, is the prime suspect in a fourth — and the investigation continues. On Friday, the authorities said they had identified one set of remains, a skull found on nearby Tobay Beach, in 2011. And after Mr. Heuermann’s arrest last month in New York, police departments across the country began trying to link him to disappearances and murders in their jurisdictions.
The police in New Jersey — and in Las Vegas and South Carolina, where Mr. Heuermann owns property — looked into whether he could be linked to cold cases there, according to a statement from the Suffolk County Police Department.
Investigators in Rock Hill, S.C., looked into possible links to the 2014 disappearance of an 18-year-old, said Lt. Michael Chavis of the Rock Hill Police Department. In New Jersey, investigators reviewed the killings of four women whose bodies were discovered in 2006 lying face down in several inches of water and spread several feet apart behind a strip of motels in Egg Harbor Township.
So far, those efforts have not led to charges, and the cases remain open, among 256,000 unsolved homicides across the United States since 1980, according to the Murder Accountability Project, a nonprofit organization.
While serial killers’ additions to that grim toll have become scant, documentaries, podcasts and shows examining their lives and crimes have boomed. And the internet has created virtual communities across the nation who trade sometimes-fantastical theories about real-life crimes.

When Mr. Heuermann was arrested in July, crowds flocked to his home, a low red house tucked into a quiet block of Massapequa Park.
They were lured by the chance to get a firsthand peek into what investigators say was a secret existence. But if the experts are correct, such opportunities to gawk will become increasingly rare.

 

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While serial killers’ additions to that grim toll have become scant, documentaries, podcasts and shows examining their lives and crimes have boomed. And the internet has created virtual communities across the nation who trade sometimes-fantastical theories about real-life crimes.

That's a bit of a one sided view by the NYT.

fantastical
strange and wonderful, like something out of a story

 

[Pamcake1]

That's a bit of a one sided view by the NYT.

fantastical
strange and wonderful, like something out of a story

The comments attached to the article were very, very interesting. Of course it is true that serial killers are more likely to be caught these days with tech advancements before they can rack up the numbers and it's true that more people are killed via mass slaughters. The only 2 serial killers that have been very aware of tech advances and tried to avoid being electronically tracked are (that I am aware of) are LISK and Israel keyes (Oh and Brian whatshisname).

 

[CD Xbow]

The comments attached to the article were very, very interesting. Of course it is true that serial killers are more likely to be caught these days with tech advancements before they can rack up the numbers and it's true that more people are killed via mass slaughters. The only 2 serial killers that have been very aware of tech advances and tried to avoid being electronically tracked are (that I am aware of) are LISK and Israel keyes (Oh and Brian whatshisname).

Israel Keyes was caught after his car was imaged using a victims debit card at an ATM - I don't think that suggests he was overly tech savvy. He did move around the country committing crimes, choosing remote location free from CCTV, he did choose different types of victims and his actions were not stereotypic with each murder - so he did try to not create a pattern. Given how careful he had been it was a surprisingly stupid thing to do.

 

[Kurve]

Heuermann's wife is suing the police for the mess they left the house in.

Meanwhile, a GoFundMe for Asa Ellerup to start a new life was opened up by serial Happy Face Killer Keith Jesperson's daughter raising over $49,000 and Shannon Gilbert's family lawyer is raising a ruckus, claiming Asa should be a suspect.

 

[metic]

I typed elvenmaiden into google and some wierdo things appeared

 

[Kurve]

New allegations against the Police Chief.

This all part of a special, TMZ Investigates: Gilgo Beach Serial Murders, where you can watch on Fox, this Sunday at 9pm.

 

[Kurve]

The former Chief of Police James Burke, who did 46 months in prison and was released has been arrested again, more charges pending.

So far, he's been charged with criminal solicitation of a male prostitute, offering a sex act, public lewdness and indecent exposure.

Disgraced former Suffolk County police chief James Burke arrested again

Disgraced former Suffolk County police chief James Burke was arrested again Tuesday morning after allegedly soliciting sex and exposing himself at a public park. Read more: https://cbsloc.al/45lcdoj

www.cbsnews.com

 

[BFew]

They already allegedly had his DNA from the Pizza Box/Crust.

Why would he have resisted getting a DNA cheek swab, that could prove whether the Pizza Box/Crust DNA actually was his?

Two sex workers call Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect ‘violent’ and ‘aggressive’

Two women say they were concerned for safety during encounters with Rex Heuermann as investigators seek more information

www.theguardian.com

'Two sex workers call Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect ‘violent’ and ‘aggressive’​

Two women say they were concerned for safety during encounters with Rex Heuermann as investigators seek more information

Edward Helmore
Sun 27 Aug 2023 02.54 AEST

'The interviews with incarcerated sex workers on Long Island are expected to expand to women held on Rikers Island in New York City as investigators seek more information about Heuermann’s activities in the 13 years since the Gilgo Beach murders took place.

Sheriff’s department spokesperson Vicki DiStefano told Newsday that five women have given information considered helpful to authorities.

The incremental advances in the Gilgo Beach case come as the 59-year-old architect submitted a DNA cheek swab last week. The move came after Heuermann’s attorneys lost a court battle over the issue. Heuermann’s trial date has not been scheduled.'

 

[Kurve]

It's thought by some investigators now that Heuermann changed his methods of trying to avoid getting caught as technology progressed. For years he used old school methods of dismemberment and scattering body bits across states to frustrate identification of victims and avoid a ping in the old databases that didn't cross-match from state to state.

As technology became more advanced and DNA profiling arrived, there was little point in putting in all the work of dismemberment and scattering so he started using burner phones to avoid a connection between himself and his victims. As his earlier victims hadn't been found on Gilgo, he figured it was a safe place for disposal and introduced duck blind as camouflage.

 

[Kurve]

Very cruel.

 

[Kurve]

Questions are being asked now if James Burke the former Police Chief was connected to Rex Heuermann.

Disgraced Gilgo Beach police chief James Burke 'giggled watching snuff film'

DISGRACED ex-Long Island police chief James Burke once allegedly laughed while watching a “snuff film” in front of other officers and should be probed for ties to Rex Heuermann, a lawye…

www.the-sun.com

 

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Questions are being asked now if James Burke the former Police Chief was connected to Rex Heuermann.

Disgraced Gilgo Beach police chief James Burke 'giggled watching snuff film'

DISGRACED ex-Long Island police chief James Burke once allegedly laughed while watching a “snuff film” in front of other officers and should be probed for ties to Rex Heuermann, a lawye…

www.the-sun.com

Finally

 

[Kurve]

News .. under New York law, law enforcement can't legally run Heuermann's DNA through any national database to see if he matches to crimes in other states, unless he has a conviction.

 

[Munich]

News .. under New York law, law enforcement can't legally run Heuermann's DNA through any national database to see if he matches to crimes in other states, unless he has a conviction.

They should get the guys who ran Kohberger's DNA to bypass that

 

[Awakening]

News .. under New York law, law enforcement can't legally run Heuermann's DNA through any national database to see if he matches to crimes in other states, unless he has a conviction.

Any conviction? Could they get him for jaywalking and that would suffice?

 

[Kurve]

Any conviction? Could they get him for jaywalking and that would suffice?

They will find a way around it somehow .. I think. He's suspected of killing women across three states.

 

[Kurve]

They should get the guys who ran Kohberger's DNA to bypass that

Maybe that's why he resisted getting another swab done, it might end up subject to a warrant and sent out of the state to go through the national data base?

 

[utility]

News .. under New York law, law enforcement can't legally run Heuermann's DNA through any national database to see if he matches to crimes in other states, unless he has a conviction.

Fair enough. He has a right to privacy but he's fair game with a conviction. All it is likely to mean is that crimes in other states won't move until after he's convicted, not that they won't move.

 

[Kurve]

This all might sound a bit far fetched but at this presser is also the Suffolk County Police Commissioner who confirms.

New witnesses have come forward that link Shannan Gilbert and another of the bodies found Karen Vergata, to Rex Heuermann, his wife Ellerup and a police officer, it looks like James Burke the ex police chief.

Huermann and his wife were swingers apparently, Burke and his girlfriend at the time who is a new witness, picked up Karen Vergata after she was released from prison and they went to Heuermann's house in Massapequa for a party, they left a naked Vergata there over the witness concerns that something was wrong and Vergata looked distressed. This may have been the last time Karen Vergata was seen alive.

Another witness, a cab driver says Shannan Gilbert told her she was promised $1,000 in cash and was passed an envelope when she met Heuermann in a hotel, when Heuermann went to the bathroom she tore it open and it was filled with paper. She then used her turn to go to the bathroom and locked herself in while she rang a cab, when the cab (witness) got there Heuermann came out and took off.

The suggestion is that Heuermann may have stalked and hunted Gilbert down after this incident. He has the form for it.

Another witness was picked up by Heuermann and after they'd completed their business with his gun at her head he ordered her to get out of the car and pick up another client, who he then followed in his car. I don't know what the intention was there, possibly to pull them over and rob them.

It appears he might have form for impersonating a cop.

There's also another cab driver who picked Heuermann up wearing camouflage and contrary to the booking, he ordered her to take him some distance in to a rural area but she refused. When she refused, he pulled a gun out but the radio operator was listening and butted in saying they knew what was going on at despatch and told him to get out of the cab, Heuermann fled.

Witnesses describe Heuermann as wearing camouflage.

New witness in Long Island serial killer trial says victim left motel crying as Rex Heuermann allegedly fled scene: Attorney

Investigators say they're interviewing four new people who could connect more cases to suspect Rex Heuermann.

www.cbsnews.com

 

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Wowwwwwww. Thanks for the update Kurve. That is hard to fathom

 

[Kurve]

Wowwwwwww. Thanks for the update Kurve. That is hard to fathom

Yep it seems a bit over the top. I'm not sure any of this will go anywhere but the Commissioner of Police at the presser as well tends to give it all some credibility.

I'm not sure how it all fits in with Shannan Gilbert's death when Heuermann isn't specifically placed there on the night she panicked and ran off to be eventually located as deceased but maybe there's a lot more to it than we know or that eyewitnesses actually saw.

 

[Awakening]

Route 29 Stalker victim's sister claims sketch of mystery murderer looks like Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann as she calls on cops to re-open decade's-old cold case​

Mystery murderer 'looks like serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann'

The 1996 murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds, 25, remains unsolved nearly thirty years later but her family are urging police to reexamine her case in connection with accused Gilgo Beach suspect.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Kurve]

Route 29 Stalker victim's sister claims sketch of mystery murderer looks like Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann as she calls on cops to re-open decade's-old cold case​

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Mystery murderer 'looks like serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann'

The 1996 murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds, 25, remains unsolved nearly thirty years later but her family are urging police to reexamine her case in connection with accused Gilgo Beach suspect.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wow ... it could be him. His age fits too.

Route 29 Stalker

Real Name: Unrevealed Aliases: Larry Breeden Wanted For: Murder, Attempted Murder, Kidnapping Missing Since: March 1996 Details: A man calling himself "Larry Breeden" is wanted for the murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds of Baltimore, Maryland. At around 7:30am on Saturday, March 2, 1996, she...

unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com

 

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Wow ... it could be him. His age fits too.

Route 29 Stalker

Real Name: Unrevealed Aliases: Larry Breeden Wanted For: Murder, Attempted Murder, Kidnapping Missing Since: March 1996 Details: A man calling himself "Larry Breeden" is wanted for the murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds of Baltimore, Maryland. At around 7:30am on Saturday, March 2, 1996, she...

unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com

Worth taking a look at imo. The sketch looks a lot like him.