List analysis

[Kildonan]

Blue = Automatic inclusions
Red = Unavailable (injured)
Black = Non - essential - at risk of being de-listed
Purple = mid range player not yet established as essential
Green = kids looking for a chance

   Name              Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
  [COLOR="Blue"][B]Harvey, Robert[/B][/COLOR] (V+)   370 36 21 Aug 1971 181cm  84kg Seaford             Midfield  
  [COLOR="Blue"][B]Hudghton, Max[/B][/COLOR] (V+)    215 32 02 Feb 1976 191cm  92kg Northern Knights    Defence 
  [COLOR="Red"][B]Gehrig, Fraser[/B][/COLOR]        260 32 03 Mar 1976 195cm 104kg Murray Bushrangers  Forward  
  [COLOR="blue"][B]King, Steven[/B][/COLOR]          202 29 11 Nov 1978 201cm 105kg Shepparton HS       Ruck
  [COLOR="Red"][B]Gardiner, Michael[/B][/COLOR]     137 28 05 Jul 1979 199cm  99kg Claremont           Ruck 
  [COLOR="Blue"][B]Hayes, Lenny[/B][/COLOR]          180 28 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  [COLOR="DarkOrchid"][B]Milne, Stephen[/B][/COLOR]        153 28 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  [COLOR="red"][B]Baker, Steven[/B][/COLOR]         154 28 22 May 1980 179cm  83kg Geelong Falcons     Midfield  
  [B]Michael Rix [/B]           29 27 08 Jan 1981 200cm 100kg Coburg              Ruck
  [COLOR="darkorchid"][B]Blake, Jason[/B][/COLOR]          123 26 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  [B]Fiora, Aaron[/B]          135 27 19 Apr 1981 186cm  80kg Port Adelaide       Wing/Flank  
  [COLOR="Blue"][B]Koschitzke, Justin[/B][/COLOR]    108 25 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  Ruck KPP  
  [COLOR="Blue"][B]Fisher, Sam[/B][/COLOR]            83 25 10 Oct 1982 191cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  [COLOR="blue"][B]Riewoldt, Nick[/B][/COLOR]        145 25 17 Oct 1982 193cm  95kg Southport           Forward    
  [COLOR="blue"][B]Montagna, Leigh[/B][/COLOR]        85 25 11 Feb 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  [COLOR="DarkOrchid"][B]Gardiner, Charlie[/B][/COLOR]      57 25 01 Mar 1983 190cm  91kg Geelong Grammar     Forward
  [COLOR="darkorchid"][B]Birss, Shane[/B][/COLOR]           69 25 11 Mar 1983 183cm  80kg Sale                Midfield 
  [COLOR="red"][B]Clarke, Xavier[/B][/COLOR]        104 24 28 Sep 1983 181cm  80kg St Marys            Forward  
  [B]Ferguson, Matthew[/B]      12 24 10 Jan 1984 187cm  87kg Heyfield            Utility  
  [COLOR="darkorchid"][B]Dempster, Sean[/B][/COLOR]         63 24 20 Jan 1984 192cm  87kg Gippsland U18       Key Defence
  [COLOR="darkorchid"][B]Jones, Clinton[/B][/COLOR]         13 24 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  [COLOR="blue"][B]Dal Santo, Nick[/B][/COLOR]       132 24 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
  [B]Fisher, Leigh[/B]          55 24 19 Apr 1984 184cm  90kg Mentone Grammar     Midfield  
  [COLOR="blue"][B]Gram, Jason[/B][/COLOR]            64 24 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  [COLOR="Blue"][B]Ball, Luke[/B][/COLOR]            116 24 25 May 1984 183cm  84kg Sandringham Dragons Midfield  
  [COLOR="Red"][B]Maguire, Matthew [/B][/COLOR]      99 24 30 May 1984 190cm  96kg Geelong Falcons     Defence  
  [COLOR="darkorchid"][B]Schneider, Adam[/B][/COLOR]       107 23 05 Dec 1984 179cm  79kg Osbourne            Forward
  [COLOR="Blue"][B]Goddard, Brendon[/B][/COLOR]      100 23 20 May 1985 189cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility 
  [B]Clarke, Raphael[/B]        35 22 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defence  
  [COLOR="Red"][B]Attard, Jayden[/B][/COLOR] (R)     25 22 27 Feb 1986 187cm  83kg Dandenong Stingrays Defence 
  [B]McQualter, Andrew[/B] (R)  24 22 09 Jun 1986 179cm  79kg Gippsland Power     Midfield  
  [B]Gwilt, James [/B]          15 21 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility  
  [COLOR="DarkOrchid"][B]Gilbert, Sam[/B][/COLOR]           26 21 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defence
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]Miles, Luke [/B][/COLOR](R)         0 21 30 Oct 1986 185.8cm 78.8kg Swan Districts     Defence
  [COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]Howard, Brad[/B][/COLOR]            2 20 21 Dec 1987 180.5cm 72.0kg Redlands           Midfield    
  [COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]Eddy, Robert [/B][/COLOR] (R)       0 20 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85.0kg Gippsland Power    Midfield
  [COLOR="darkgreen"][B]Allen, Jarryd[/B][/COLOR]           0 20 14 Jan 1988 193.2cm 88.0kg Calder Cannons     Forward
  [COLOR="red"][B]Van Rheenan, Luke[/B][/COLOR] (R)   0 20 07 Mar 1988 201.0cm 90.0kg Scoresby           Ruck
  [COLOR="darkorchid"][B]Armitage, David[/B][/COLOR]         9 20 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside        Midfield
  [COLOR="darkorchid"][B]Geary, Jarryn[/B][/COLOR]           7 19 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  [COLOR="red"][B]Chivers, Glenn[/B][/COLOR] (R)      0 19 09 Apr 1989 188.4cm 87.5kg Oakleigh Chargers  Defence
  [COLOR="darkgreen"][B]McEvoy, Ben[/B][/COLOR]             0 18 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  [B]Haretuku, Khan[/B] (R)      0 18 19 Oct 1989 198.0cm 96.0kg NSW Scholarship  
  [COLOR="Red"][B]Connors, Eljay[/B][/COLOR]          0 18 01 Jan 1990 181.0cm 65.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  [COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]Stephen, Jack[/B][/COLOR]           0 18 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield

 

[_Interpol_]

Karetku

Bit harsh putting him in the possible de-listing section? He is on NSW s/ship isn't he?

I would think Gilbo is automatic selection, good runner and tough in defence and can tackle very well. Loves a run up the ground, positive player IMO

Armo/CJ for me a auto selections, in order to continually develop youth for prolonged success.

Pretty good analysis though

 

[Kildonan]

Haretuku has rarely been mentioned in the bests in the seconds for Casey.

Gilbert has been less than inspiring this year, his kicking has let him down.

Armitage and Jones would be two I would include based on recent performances, but they are not the players you build a team around.
P.S. don't consider Jones youth - he's older than Dal Santo !!!

Birss is a great kick and an extremely valuable player - he needs to be played - in my view he is a auto-selection.

We used to be consided dangerous because of our talls. Now we have the least talls in the entire league. Even the Bulldogs have more. And our talls are no longer feared. Riewoldt and Kosi don't hurt teams. Our strength was having Gehrig up forward who could kick accurately.

Who can kick in our current team?

Goddard obviously - possibly the best kick in the AFL, then Dal Santo and Montagna who both can kick long or short, and Sam Fisher who seems such a beautiful kick, but he rarely goes long.

Gram, King, Dempster, and Hayes all seem to be able to kick long kicks but not with the accuracy to kick to a man - the sort of accuracy we need unless we're kicking at goal.

Ball, Harvey, Milne specialise in short kicks and wouldn't kick 50m more than 5 times a year.

Schneider should be a good kick, he shows glimpses of it with a crisp, clean strike, but all too often he is pressured into rushing it and the result is uninspiring.

We need a reliable forward or two. Ones that can kick. Releasing our talls to a more supply oriented role.

 

[Squizz]

The first time I read the list I thought it was a bit harsh. But then I read it again and if we are being critical it actually looks spot on. Some players can certainly move brackets in the last 10 rounds though.

In relation to kicking, that's where Armo and Birss are important. One of our biggest issues is the skills, which were maybe hidden a little in previous years when Hamill, Gehrig, Riewoldt and Koschitzke have fired up front and continual delivery from the mids.

 

[saintsownthedome]

Milne is an automatic selection. Leading our goal kicking and in the best three small forwards in the league over the past five years.

He has his flaws but is clearly in St Kilda's best 22.

 

[Squizz]

That one was harsh. But if he can't travel?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Milne is an automatic selection. Leading our goal kicking and in the best three small forwards in the league over the past five years.

He has his flaws but is clearly in St Kilda's best 22.

The way I think about it, I consider how we would go if the particuar player could not play.
Max Hudgton , Sam Fisher , Lenny Hayes - oh no!.
Milne , we can probably put someone else there, shuffle things around and we may even go better. He is best 22 but he is not essential.
( Off topic but come to think of it there are not many games when he is not playing ).
I thought that Harvey was almost at the stage where he was not essential, but I missed him too much at the Bulldogs game.

 

[Kildonan]

It seems to me that many players don't have confidence in other players who can't kick accurately. By accurately - I mean passes to advantage of the target player. Look at the supply coming in to Riewoldt. Milne is the worst culprit - his passes sometimes look fair but what he seems to lack is distance "touch" - they go short or over the target distance, they're usually straight enough but useless to Roo if he is immediately tackled or put under pressure. Milne isn't the only one - just too many of the final passes to our forwards are at their feet or even worse.

 

[Squizz]

Having seen the Goddard article which included a comment about the 7 Gippsland boys, I wondered whether there was any theme with recruiting i.e. that becuase of our lack of resources we had focussed on certain areas (other clubs supposedly found it amusing that Bevo would drive interstate instead of flying).

I previously heard that Bevo had kept an eye on Gram, even though he went to Brisbane.

So excluding Kosi & Roo (standout picks), Gehrig & Gardi (targeted trades from another club), Fiora (limited option trade), and Schneider & King (put up for "sale"), we have Gippsland (7), Metro Melbourne (12), Geelong (4), and Country Vic (5).

It seems we have got very few from interstate outside of this and wonder whether this is symbolic of concerns regarding drafting. The others are : Jones, Miles (WA), Sam Fisher (SA), Hayes, Haretuku (NSW), R & X Clarke (NT), and Armitage, Howard, Gilbert (Qld).

Is that enough given interstate teams have dominated the ladder in recent years? Almost all of the interstate guys have come only in the last 2 years.