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Faz 2000 said:
Richmond scragged, bumped and needled us. The Saints came at us with heat and we crumbled. Adelaide utterly hunted us. Geelong manhandled us without any fear of repercussion.

I think 17 other teams all quietly feel like they're a show against the Blues if they bring heat and aggro. We're pussycats.
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Can't have it at all. Think that you might be confusing a team outscoring us with pushing us around.

We have been depleted at times. If Richmond pushed us around most recently does that mean that we did the same to them in round 1? We kicked poorly against Stkilda (10.18) which is poor footy and probably cost us the game. Not us being pushed around. Geelong were simply better than us. We came out with a poor attitude against Adelaide and then tried to do stupid things once we were under the pump.

We are pussycats and boy scouts? Give it a spell. Dud you even watch last week?
 

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Coona Blues said:
Sorry long read, too much time on my hands.

As a keen draft researcher, I am loving the permutations we are considering for the upcoming draft and trade period. The obvious give our impending salary cap pressures is to hit the draft for generation next in the key position area.

We do, however, on face value have our key pillars in place for 6-10 years with Curnow, McKay, Weitering and Young. They are supported by seemingly best 22 hybrid and third talls De Koning, Silvagni, McGovern and Marchbank, while seemingly trying to find a way to shoehorn Kemp in to the side. McGovern is the only one on the wrong side of 25.

We currently have McDonald, a veteran of 86 games at 26 years old, who has disappointed with two years of highly promising early season cameos followed by crickets for 90% of the playing season due to a back complaint. After trying to “manage” the complaint for a year and a half, he was sent for surgery to correct the issue. Plenty of positive reports emanating from the club following surgery and reported to be hounding our S&C group to rejoin training group. He was our first choice to partner Weiters and was lauded a leader of the defence at the start of the season, if the operation was successful, he is a seasoned KPP, who can play both ends and pinch hit in the ruck. He is a key to our list management strategy this off season. Similarly Sam Durdin has settled in to our twos as an integral piece after his mid season acquisition as a key defensive option. When called upon, he was better than adequate given his lack of familiarity with the group. Both OMac and Sam are on minimum chips and could be conceivably kept there for another couple of years at negligible cost. While keeping both may be surplus, both have real value and could in fact give trade collateral down the track if they play to potential.

McAsey has been clearly a “failure” at Adelaide. He did, however, have a very promising first season, showing good glimpses at both ends. Homesickness, Covid lockdowns, family illness with out the ability to assist, all can and clearly did contribute to his lack of output. Some Crows supporters refute the consensus he hasn’t done enough for recall. Has been played forward of late with some multiple goal games. There is plenty of ammunition to expect a substantial improvement with a return to Victoria for the 21 year old. If we do due diligence, I am happy to trade him in to the group. A “Clayton’s” draftee for those old enough to understand the reference.

Many are perplexed at the lack of opportunity given to Lachlan Sholl at Adelaide. 22 yo twice Rising Star nominee. Running machine with superb dual sided disposal. Rumoured to be another version of our own outside type O’Brien, I must say, my viewing did not support this. If he is available, I am very much in favour. I understand Nicks playing more inside types on the wing to fast track their development, but I am astounded Sholl who has had high disposal games (30+) is not getting a go. He is either on the outer or the victim of a pre conceived plan to fast track others, with a “promise” of games down the track. He is absolutely good enough to warrant our interest.

This draft class is not looking deep for key position players Cadman and Jefferson lead the forwards, but probably won’t get to us being likely top 10. Busslinger the top 10 KPD, Hayes is probably a first rounder and is a prolific interceptor. I wonder about his pace, or lack of it to counter leading forwards. Hybrid forward/ruck Keeler is a talent, but is probably the most questionable on attitude of the touted first rounders. There are some more speculative KPP types, I really like Phoenix Foster as a value forward/ruck, is a combine invitee but not featuring on the more public “phantoms”. Hard to know where he goes, second round to late. I don’t discount some of the second tier talls or hybrid types like Hustwaite, but question the need to reach for a “premium” tall if we are indeed looking at adding McAsey as a key position option.

We don’t need generation next for a few more years, so drafting a KPP is not essential. Extra depth certainly is essential. We need a forward option in the twos. A fit OMac could be that, McAsey would be able to play forward, as would Durdin, although I see him primarily defender, more so than the other two. I am wondering how our hierarchy sees the development of Dom Akuei as a key/third tall, he does some good things, but struggles to stay in the game. While it would lead to a feast after the famine, I would not be against having them all for a year or two and drafting a forward/ruck kid like Foster.

I could live with trading in with McAsey and Sholl.
Drafting Oliver Hollands with our first as a pacy balanced to outside mid, who could start his career as a wing option, but ultimately adds some zest to our midfield group. Drafting a forward/ruck like Foster with a later pick although “happy” to consider other options. (If Sholl doesn’t happen Darcy Edmends seems a good wing option)
Elevating rookies Owies plus Boyd and/or Mirkov (or O’Brien/Cottrell who would have longer rookie eligibility).

I am sure plenty reading this would have written off McDonald, but we shouldn’t throw out the baby with the bath water if his back issues are fixed.

Edit: Apologies for any confusion mixing up Phoenix Foster and Phoenix Spicer. Uncommon name and sometimes addled ageing brain. Fixed now, I hope.
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Great summary of both the Crows players situations.

Sholl isn't getting a game for the same reason Matt Crouch isn't, and that's defensive work rate. It's a mantra that Nicks is trying to establish with the team. We're the number 1 team in the comp for tackles, 2nd for GBG's and 3rd for Pressure Acts, so i guess he's trying to get players to invest in that. Sholl is more your silky type creative player.

Sholl is an absolute endurance beast and will cover a lot of ground, but 'short burst' sprint speed and repetitive defensive work is not great to the eye.
 
Izak Rankine?
 
Beer n Skittles said:
Sholl sounds like a 2nd O'Brien.

What of Boyd? Wasn't he drafted to play on a wing? Fairly hard at it, deceptively good overhead, beautiful kick. Don't know what his endurance is like
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Sholl is a LOB with less penetration, but better footy smarts and the ability to kick accurately on both sides. Worth adding to the list on the cheap - gives us options at match committee, and in a perfect world they both develop and can play on opposite wings.

Boyd is more back pocket than wing. Could be developed there, but he doesn't have the running power that Sholl or LOB do so it might be a bit of a stretch. Probably more a rotation option.
 

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Blue__Balls said:
Sholl is a LOB with less penetration, but better footy smarts and the ability to kick accurately on both sides. Worth adding to the list on the cheap - gives us options at match committee, and in a perfect world they both develop and can play on opposite wings.

Boyd is more back pocket than wing. Could be developed there, but he doesn't have the running power that Sholl or LOB do so it might be a bit of a stretch. Probably more a rotation option.
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I think we've got different takes on the wing position because I'd have Cottrell above LOB & Sholl anyway, with just the other wing to fill.

Generally teams are defending with their 80m x 40m box ahead of the kicker, with one lone wingman holding his width on the fat side of the ground. If you can switch across the ground quickly enough and beat that wingman you're out all the way to the goals. Which means you can't carry a wingman who is unable to win or at least halve a 1 on 1 contest. It's an incredibly exposed position.

But I do agree it would depend on Boyd's running capacity.
 
No1Suspect said:
Dunno id say a tough back pocket was an area we lacked
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Depends if you differentiate between HBF & BP which I don't, I think that line has blurred a lot. IMO Docherty, Williams & Stocker are three of the toughest players on the list, each moreso than Boyd. IMO small defenders is the area where we have the highest amount of talent, add Saad into that mix. Controversial depth but it's at least AFL seasoned. Compared to the wing which is just rookies and ex rookies on min. wage with a handful of games to their name. Robbing a rich Peter to pay a Paul on life support
 
I think the jury is out on all of Dow/Setterfield/LoB/Cottrell/McDonald
We need a McDonald type
A wing(s)
A bigger bodied aggressive mid sized forward who can actually kick goals.

Need to accept the fact that the midfield lacks depth .
 
Arr0w said:
Boyd would be our most dangerous small forward if we played him there, but I do like him in the back 7
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Boyd could play there and would be firmly in the mix. “The most dangerous”, huge unsubstantiated call. On actual cameos for a number of weeks at his former club, Zac Williams would be our “best” option if we chose to play him there.

We have a number of good small forward options, but arguably are lacking a bit of X-factor.
 

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I haven't ventured here for a while, but got a bit of time today, so I've had a quick look at this thread Carlton Football Club Team List and Contract Status

It's likely to have been discussed already, but here is my opinion of who is likely to go this coming off season?

IMO certainties:
14. Liam Jones (Retired)
31. Tom Williamson (Retired)
35. Ed Curnow


Likely:
8. Lachie Fogarty ?
32. Jack Newnes ?
39. Oscar McDonald (SSP Rookie)
2. Paddy Dow (to be traded?)


I thought we are done a big list change, but that's 7 players already, anyone else?





2022
4. Lochie O'Brien (Rookie) ?
8. Lachie Fogarty ?
13. Liam Stocker
14. Liam Jones (Retired)
22. Caleb Marchbank
26. Luke Parks (2nd Year Rookie)
28. David Cuningham
31. Tom Williamson (Retired)
32. Jack Newnes ?
35. Ed Curnow
36. Josh Honey
37. Jordan Boyd (Rookie)
39. Oscar McDonald (SSP Rookie)
41. Domanic Akuei (Cat B Rookie)
43. Will Setterfield
44. Matthew Owies (Cat B International Rookie) - (to be retained as a Cat B Rookie)
46. Matthew Cottrell (Rookie) ?


2023
2. Paddy Dow ?


ROOKIES:-
4. Lochie O'Brien
26. Luke Parks
37. Jordan Boyd (MSD Rookie 2021)
38. Sam Durdin (MSD Rookie 2022)
39. Oscar McDonald (SSP Rookie)
40. Will Hayes (MSD Rookie 2022)
41. Domanic Akuei (Cat B Rookie)
44. Matt Owies (Cat B International Rookie)
45. Alex Mirkov (MSD Rookie 2021)
46. Matthew Cottrell
 
JuddgementDay said:
I haven't ventured here for a while, but got a bit of time today, so I've had a quick look at this thread Carlton Football Club Team List and Contract Status

It's likely to have been discussed already, but here is my opinion of who is likely to go this coming off season?

IMO certainties:
14. Liam Jones (Retired)
31. Tom Williamson (Retired)
35. Ed Curnow


Likely:
8. Lachie Fogarty ?
32. Jack Newnes ?
39. Oscar McDonald (SSP Rookie)
2. Paddy Dow (to be traded?)


I thought we are done a big list change, but that's 7 players already, anyone else?





2022
4. Lochie O'Brien (Rookie) ?
8. Lachie Fogarty ?
13. Liam Stocker
14. Liam Jones (Retired)
22. Caleb Marchbank
26. Luke Parks (2nd Year Rookie)
28. David Cuningham
31. Tom Williamson (Retired)
32. Jack Newnes ?
35. Ed Curnow
36. Josh Honey
37. Jordan Boyd (Rookie)
39. Oscar McDonald (SSP Rookie)
41. Domanic Akuei (Cat B Rookie)
43. Will Setterfield
44. Matthew Owies (Cat B International Rookie) - (to be retained as a Cat B Rookie)
46. Matthew Cottrell (Rookie) ?


2023
2. Paddy Dow ?


ROOKIES:-
4. Lochie O'Brien
26. Luke Parks
37. Jordan Boyd (MSD Rookie 2021)
38. Sam Durdin (MSD Rookie 2022)
39. Oscar McDonald (SSP Rookie)
40. Will Hayes (MSD Rookie 2022)
41. Domanic Akuei (Cat B Rookie)
44. Matt Owies (Cat B International Rookie)
45. Alex Mirkov (MSD Rookie 2021)
46. Matthew Cottrell
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Ed might go around again.

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