List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Eagleboy2011]

If Brisbane get Draper we should try for Henry Smith, as that puts him down the pecking order for many years. We can offer him the number one ruck spot with a fading ROB, which might be better than waiting for Draper to retire.
Shouldn't cost us much more than a second round pick.

How has Henry Smith performed at Brisbane? As a former WWT boy, just wondering.

Going for Draper is not an improvement on ROB imho.

 

[Cleric]

Cats now have Bazalenko, plus linked with Worpel

And Butters next year

No room for him there

You take a guaranteed Clarry over a speculative Butters the following year. I dont mean speculative in the performance point of view, rather if you know you can get Clarry at the end of this year vs not getting him with the hopes Butters picks you a year later, then you take Clarry.

 

[Cleric]

How has Henry Smith performed at Brisbane? As a former WWT boy, just wondering.

Going for Draper is not an improvement on ROB imho.

He's injured at the moment, but has had good form in the VFL.

Rivals reportedly circling fringe Brisbane tall amid dominant VFL form

Clubs are said to be “keeping a very close eye” on the young ruckman.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Scorpus]

I'm not totally against it. Some of his efforts are like worst in the comp efforts.

He's a handy player but the other side to him likely isn't changing, he is what he is.

I'd prefer a fit McAdam, but he's done.

Fritsch is miles in front of McAdam. Not even close.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

He's injured at the moment, but has had good form in the VFL.

Rivals reportedly circling fringe Brisbane tall amid dominant VFL form

Clubs are said to be “keeping a very close eye” on the young ruckman.

www.zerohanger.com

That was April this year. I suppose it's hard to make the grade of the current premier. At 206cm, he is a big boy.

 

[WeeBlake]

Fritsch is a leading/marking medium fwd. We need a small, high pressure, goal kicking fwd.

 

[WeeBlake]

He is a whipping boy on his hair cut alone

Same hairdresser as Keays

 

[jimvic]

Draper is 3 years younger and more athletic but coming off an achilles and would take big dollars to get him. ROB has obvious flaws but has been way better this year (prob helped by the fact he's out of contract), hugely respected by his teammates, and has insane durability - not just the fact he has only missed a handful of games through injury since becoming first ruck in 2019, but doing so while consistently taking 80%+ of our ruck contests (which crucially means less RT in there). Conversely, Draper's ruck contest % has gone down every season (career avg 63% and more recently much closer to 50%). If these are the only 2 options then I'm taking ROB every day.

agreed - just sign up ROB already

 

[Scorpus]

What would Fritsch cost?

Sensible ideas please, not "future third with steak knives".

Something in the pick 20 range

 

[BRL121]

Same hairdresser as Keays

Too slow.

 

[jimvic]

If it got to pre season draft time he'd just tell other clubs he would sit out the year and that he's so homesick he'll only be able to function playing in SA.

When's the last time a team got fair compensation for a superstar moving? Almost never! Tim Kelly was the last fairly paid for Superstar

Trade deadline will approach and you'll end up accepting two firsts, one of them potentially top 10 and a fringe player.

Club list management are never in a million years giving up 3 first round picks for one player no matter how good they are.

Clubs are obsessed with pick swaps how often do you see two mid/ late firsts paid but with an early second coming back? Almost every trade period.

Kelly was way overs

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Draper is 3 years younger and more athletic but coming off an achilles and would take big dollars to get him. ROB has obvious flaws but has been way better this year (prob helped by the fact he's out of contract), hugely respected by his teammates, and has insane durability - not just the fact he has only missed a handful of games through injury since becoming first ruck in 2019, but doing so while consistently taking 80%+ of our ruck contests (which crucially means less RT in there). Conversely, Draper's ruck contest % has gone down every season (career avg 63% and more recently much closer to 50%). If these are the only 2 options then I'm taking ROB every day.

Just on FC or somewhere last night, I heard Essendon were rubbing their hands together, hoping Draper goes for big $$$ and they get a priority pick 6 or thereabouts.

 

[FR0GGY]

Fire sale at the Dees

Oliver and Fritsch available cheap

I've said before I am dead keen on Clarry cheap

Even would consider Fritsch, would be 4th option in our forward line behind Thilth, Fog and Rachele, would roam around free

Fritch would be a good pickup I reckon

 

[jimvic]

I am not interested in Draper, and would rather the club keep ROB and then go after a young SA ruck like Goad. By the time ROB is finished the young kid will be ready to rock and roll.

Finally some logic about our ruck situation

 

[Scorpus]

Fritsch is a leading/marking medium fwd. We need a small, high pressure, goal kicking fwd.

We need both with Tex at the end.

Fritsch would be 29 next year so could be a decent stopgap while we develop someone

 

[jimvic]

I think he'll end up at the "reformed" boys home of the Cats personally.

Probably with Fritsch there too

 

[bmac84]

Yeah he would be

Adelaide receives: Oliver , 2025 2nd round (pay 60 % of deal)

Melbourne receives: 2026 1st, 2025 3rd (pay 40% of deal)

That 1st rounder after F/S and academy will be likely mid 20's which is unlikely to provide an A grade player

Average draft picks and cap space , that is it

The only way we should even be considering Oliver is if it's an absolute fire sale completely on our terms. This will depend on how badly they want to dump his contract (and attitude/history). So they either pay part of his contract and we give them pick ~50, or we pay his full contract and they also give us a decent pick as incentive (salary dump like the Bowes deal).

 

[hippyhippy]

You take a guaranteed Clarry over a speculative Butters the following year. I dont mean speculative in the performance point of view, rather if you know you can get Clarry at the end of this year vs not getting him with the hopes Butters picks you a year later, then you take Clarry.

Surely clarry should basically have no worth in the trade table now given his contract. I'd imagine the demons would likely be paying some of his salary still. Geelong would be getting him for nothing.

 

[WeeBlake]

Cats now have Bazalenko, plus linked with Worpel

And Butters next year

No room for him there

If they get Butters next year I will lose my mind

 

[Peter Doherty]

Fritsch is miles in front of McAdam. Not even close.

And McAdam really isn't an option anyway.

I qualified it with a 'fit McAdam'. If you're looking for a 3rd banana to replace Walker a fit McAdam offers an aerial threat while adding tackling pressure.

Fritsch would be more of a lead up (McAdam can do this) who is soft AF.

Given a choice of Fritsch or a fit McAdam to play this particular role, I'd prefer McAdam.

Fritsch has clearly had the better career.

 

[hippyhippy]

Fritch would be a good pickup I reckon

Not for us.. we've got multiple players in that position really...cook, pedlar, nank .. and fritch wouldn't provide the fwd pressure we need imho

 

[WeeBlake]

We need both with Tex at the end.

Fritsch would be 29 next year so could be a decent stopgap while we develop someone

I wonder if Curtin would make a good Tex replacement. Tall, very good in the air, beautiful field kick, can find time and space, can get up the ground.

 

[Golumless]

I wonder if Curtin would make a good Tex replacement. Tall, very good in the air, beautiful field kick, can find time and space, can get up the ground.

He certainly could be a good Tex replacement, but why would you want to waste that profile as a second/third KPF?

 

[Peter Doherty]

I wonder if Curtin would make a good Tex replacement. Tall, very good in the air, beautiful field kick, can find time and space, can get up the ground.

It may have been part of the plan. Curtin looking so good on the wing may throw a spanner in the works.

Might mean we will be looking for a Fritsch etc

 

[Scorpus]

And McAdam really isn't an option anyway.

I qualified it with a 'fit McAdam'. If you're looking for a 3rd banana to replace Walker a fit McAdam offers an aerial threat while adding tackling pressure.

Fritsch would be more of a lead up (McAdam can do this) who is soft AF.

Given a choice of Fritsch or a fit McAdam to play this particular role, I'd prefer McAdam.

Fritsch has clearly had the better career.

Fritsch is miles in front of a fit McAdam. He is better in pretty much every facet of the game

I think you're massively overestating how soft Fritsch is. He offers more defensive and contested work than Fogarty this year (statistically). He's also a bigger marking threat than McAdam, who probably only has him covered in tackles and that's it. Fritsch is a much bigger offensive weapon than Shane too.