List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Thilthy Animal]

Keane was an AA squad member. His intercepting, 1-on-1 marking and ball use (despite the occasional brain fade) was really important. His big weakness is when he’s left one on one and theirs speed on the ball, he gets lost, and a smart forward like Gunston can get out on the lead easily. That’s a weakness that can be covered tactically and with good players around him. I think potentially Butts is a better complement to Worrell and Keane then Murray is.

I don’t see how trading Keane is going to get us a significant upgrade in the midfield that’ll be worth what we lose.

Not gonna argue with those traits that he brings, but I still reckon he writes too many cheques that he doesn't have the skills to cash. And as I alluded to in my earlier post, those 2 throws at the end are a huge red flag for me from a mental toughness point of view.

Not in a rush to kick him out the door. But given he is now AA squad, might be more likely to get overs for him than Butts or Murray, which could be a stepping stone to the mid that we need.

Just on Murray, think he is being judged really harshly for his back half of the year. He was really good in the first half, and he is AA-quality (reckon he would have made squad in '23 if he didn't do his knee).

 

[daniel_4tw]

We need to be a aggressive this trade period.

Not only do we have some glaring weaknesses (midfield, ruck, small forward), all the teams around us are getting better. Hawks will get Merrett, Brisbane trading in half the AFL (Allan and Draper big ins), you know Geelong will find another A-grader, Curnow to Gold Coast or Sydney.

We don’t need to just get to the other clubs level they are on this year, but where they’ll be next year.

NWM would have been that player. Need to spend that money and be aggressive.

 

[sirpablo]

I

We need to be a aggressive this trade period.

Not only do we have some glaring weaknesses (midfield, ruck, small forward), all the teams around us are getting better. Hawks will get Merrett, Brisbane trading in half the AFL (Allan and Draper big ins), you know Geelong will find another A-grader, Curnow to Gold Coast or Sydney.

We don’t need to just get to the other clubs level they are on this year, but where they’ll be next year.

NWM would have been that player. Need to spend that money and be aggressive.

Totally agree with this.

Clearly, there are a number of players previously mentioned in other posts that aren't ever going to be more the depth players (e.g., schoenberg, murphy). Ideally, I'd really love it if we moved all of these on and gave some other players a go. My thinking is that we should be doing a Geelong - try and target a number of mature age sanfl, vfl, wafl players - in the hope you get a couple of diamonds in the rough (e.g., newcombe, managh).

 

[Ian Dunross]

Is this suggestion about a play for Oliver supposedly accurate? I get the Burgess - Oliver connection, but Oliver has looked poor for 24 months now.

 

[Cromulant]

Is this suggestion about a play for Oliver supposedly accurate? I get the Burgess - Oliver connection, but Oliver has looked poor for 24 months now.

To be fair, so has most of the club.

 

[Ian Dunross]

To be fair, so has most of the club.

True.

 

[Crows4Flag]

Tom Morris reporting demons would be open to a trade for Petracca. Get it done Reid.

 

[Trigger13]

Big fan of Sam Butler. I’d overpay him to get it done.

 

[Cromulant]

Big fan of Sam Butler. I’d overpay him to get it done.

Yeah he could be one of those "cheaper" options that comes to us (or anyone) and works wonders

 

[Soggy2112]

Is this suggestion about a play for Oliver supposedly accurate? I get the Burgess - Oliver connection, but Oliver has looked poor for 24 months now.

I think it’s mostly just us speculating on who we might get and he seems a possible option in the absence of any real reports.

Obviously he has been poor, but there’s clearly extenuating circumstances at play, so I think the hope that a fresh start, plus having Burgess around would help get him somewhere back to his best. Given he is precisely the kind of player we need, he could be worth the risk, depending on how much of his contract we take.

 

[Velvet George]

Yeah he could be one of those "cheaper" options that comes to us (or anyone) and works wonders

Why would he leave Hawks for us, he’s in their finals team, he’s not missing opportunity with them

 

[Cromulant]

Why would he leave Hawks for us, he’s in their finals team, he’s not missing opportunity with them

I think its the contracts on offer, there's been a bit of talk about him all year.

 

[Johnnyklug]

We need to be a aggressive this trade period.

Not only do we have some glaring weaknesses (midfield, ruck, small forward), all the teams around us are getting better. Hawks will get Merrett, Brisbane trading in half the AFL (Allan and Draper big ins), you know Geelong will find another A-grader, Curnow to Gold Coast or Sydney.

We don’t need to just get to the other clubs level they are on this year, but where they’ll be next year.

NWM would have been that player. Need to spend that money and be aggressive.

I’m not trying to be a smart arse but aren’t Rachelle, Rankine and Pedlar small forwards? Interested in your thoughts.

 

[Cromulant]

I’m not trying to be a smart arse but aren’t Rachelle, Rankine and Pedlar small forwards? Interested in your thoughts.

Personally I think thats the setup right there.

Flick them all through the middle at times too

 

[Johnnyklug]

Personally I think thats the setup right there.

Flick them all through the middle at times too

Yes Cromulant, I’m in agreement wheel them through midfield forward they’ll create havoc.

 

[latinoheat]

I think I’d go Marcus Windhager over Petracca and Oliver . 22yo.

 

[1990crow]

I think I’d go Marcus Windhager over Petracca and Oliver . 22yo.

Not an A grade mid though.

 

[latinoheat]

Not an A grade mid though.

He’d be better than Berry , and offer something different to peatling .

 

[Brookster]

Great teams are full of players with glaring weaknesses.

Good coaches and good times find ways to hide those weaknesses and allow their strengths to shine.

We did that for the majority of the season with Keane which is why he had a great year. Those weaknesses were always there though.

Nicks should have changed the match ups around, and there should be more pressure up the field.

There are only a handful of players in each team who have elite attributes, but also no significant weaknesses. I’d say we have Dawson, Rankine, Worrell and Thilthorpe in that category. The rest you have to take the bad with the good sometimes.

Making changes (match ups) is beyond Nicks’s capabilities.

 

[UcantCme]

I think I’d go Marcus Windhager over Petracca and Oliver . 22yo.

No Petracca changes the dial where Windhager does not.

South Australia perfect location for his interests and brand out if football, not to mention he is close with ANB and credits his premiership year form to Darren Burgess

We can accommodate his contract and Melbourne trade request

 

[ABAB]

He’d be better than Berry , and offer something different to peatling .

North is offering Windhager $800K.

 

[Slim258]

North is offering Windhager $800K.

Realistically, that’s the going market for a half decent out of contract player.
That’s why a Bailey type is looking at $1.5m

 

[latinoheat]

North is offering Windhager $800K.

Ok , that’s a pass then

 

[ABAB]

Realistically, that’s the going market for a half decent out of contract player.
That’s why a Bailey type is looking at $1.5m

I would rather use that $800K and add another $100K for either Curtin, Rachele or Soligo.

 

[Cromulant]

If you can get 3 good years out of Petracca or Oliver, we could pinch a flag.

Especially the former.