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Mostyn said:
Geelong had players that were very late draft picks and rookie picks. They had never amounted to much.

You're cherry picking a not-completely-relevant example to back up a seemingly extreme point.

For some reason, you've come in with a "the sky is falling, let's tear it all down" opinion - even though it's incredibly unlikely to occur and almost never happens.

I'm not sure why you want to cut a quarter of the squad, but it seems a bit over the top
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I hardly think doing the following amounts to the sky falling:

1) Trading Jordon Butts, who we refuse to play anyway, even when Murray is injured and Borlase is dropped. He might net a pick in the top 40. He’s a genuinely good stopper, but he’s basically only ever playing for us again if BOTH Murray and Keane are injured simultaneously. We can scour the trade market for a key defender who better suits our game plan (ie actually kicks the ball forward). The way we have cast Butts aside, I would almost guarantee he’ll be requesting a trade at season’s end, so this one might work for both parties. FWIW, I would’ve played him ahead of Borlase in the Suns game and then retained him for the Cats game (without hesitation), but in light of those things not happening, what’s even the point of us pretending he’s part of the future?

2) Trading Luke Pedlar, who we refuse to play anyway, even when Rachele is injured, Peatling is suspended AND Murphy isn’t selected, AND there’s a wet weather forecast. Again, we might get a top 40 pick here (I don’t think he’s worth that, but it’s not out of the question). I don’t rate Pedlar at all and completely agree with his ongoing non-selection, even with Rachele and Peatling out. With those guys in, he’s MILES back.

3) Trading Lachie Sholl, who has proven repeatedly that he’s not up to it against top 8-12 sides, and now looks set to spend the rest of 2025 rotting in the twos. We have Dowling, Edwards and Ryan in the twos as depth who can play a similar role to Sholl, in addition to the likes of Taylor, Cumming, Nankervis, Milera, Hinge, Curtin who could all roll up to a wing if we wanted them to. Well even still have Jones if things get super desperate because there’s no way anyone in the comp will trade for him. Would we be offered anything of note for Sholl? Probably not. So maybe he’s one we could keep instead of a lottery ticket. To say I don’t rate him would be an understatement, and if there was an opportunity to secure the infinitely superior Jeremy Sharp as a FA, this is a logical player to clear out to enable this.

4) Letting ROB walk as a FA, while securing a replacement ready to go ruck from another club who might suit our gameplan better, and also drafting a young ruck to develop. We would receive compensation for this. Happy enough for this not to happen and to just keep him, but he’s not good at football, and his “automatic” selection as our number 1 ruck is pretty uninspiring.

5) Not re-signing Hugh Bond, who continues to struggle to do anything other than stand near someone and pressure them. He’s on a 1 year deal and doesn’t look close to breaking into the senior team. His ability to actually get the ball, and his ball use / decision making is very poor and again, I don’t think he’s a player who suits our gameplan. I would absolutely keep Bond for another year if something happened to Michalanney, but he looks to be really struggling to earn another deal to me and the reality is that he’s a 50% chance at best if being retained as we sit here now. If I was betting I’d say he gets delisted and then redrafted as a Cat A rookie.


Everything I’ve said besides the above 5 things is absolutely going to happen. Murphy has reached McHenry status and is clearly gone. Burgess, Schoenberg, Gallagher, Strachan and Smith are all a 0% chance of being on our list next year. I’ve just added the additional 5 things in, with reasoning. Sky not falling at all. I just think maybe we could improve our overall list balance by dispensing with those 5 players at the end of 2025.


Having said that, like I’ve mentioned above, I’m fine with keeping ROB if he can continue playing like he did today (and bearing in mind that the ruck market has been annihilated by recent serious injuries to Draper and Bryan).

I feel like today somewhat restored what little faith I had that ROB can actually contribute something at the level in the odd game every now and then. Happy to keep him on a moderate deal if he can do that a few more times in the coming months.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
We have front loaded nearly all our young talent on long term deals.

We have utilised the money when we were crap to sure up the future.
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No we haven't. Only some of them plus a number of our prime movers to sign up soon, with only Tex and Smith to retire in the foreseeable future.

2026 OOC - Curtin, Dawson, Michalanney, Hinge
2027 OOC - Keays, Rankine, Worrell

The whisper was that Dawson and Rankine were on heavily front-loaded deals which was what got the trades over the line. That won't be the case next contract.

The reason we gave Rachele & Soligo the long term, front-loaded deals was because we knew what was coming. Our list was too young so everyone would be peaking career earnings at the same time. Those Rachele/Soligo contracts won't have single-handedly solved all our salary cap challenges.

huludicidal is exactly right imho. A lot of our depth options will make way at the end of 2025 and 2026. Butts as a 5th tall defensive option is a luxury item for example.

Trim the fat - those who are handy at AFL level but unlikely to ever be A Grade. Also potentially off-load one or two Best 22 players who aren't in our top 10 most important, with cheap replacements. It's the only way you can keep your stars and your talented up and comers, plus have space to target a recruit or two.
 

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Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
No we haven't. Only some of them plus a number of our prime movers to sign up soon, with only Tex and Smith to retire in the foreseeable future.

2026 OOC - Curtin, Dawson, Michalanney, Hinge
2027 OOC - Keays, Rankine, Worrell

The whisper was that Dawson and Rankine were on heavily front-loaded deals which was what got the trades over the line. That won't be the case next contract.

The reason we gave Rachele & Soligo the long term, front-loaded deals was because we knew what was coming. Our list was too young so everyone would be peaking career earnings at the same time. Those Rachele/Soligo contracts won't have single-handedly solved all our salary cap challenges.

@hulucidal is exactly right imho. A lot of our depth options will make way at the end of 2025 and 2026. Butts as a 5th tall defensive option is a luxury item for example.

Trim the fat - those who are handy at AFL level but unlikely to ever be A Grade. Also potentially off-load one or two Best 22 players who aren't in our top 10 most important, with cheap replacements. It's the only way you can keep your stars and your talented up and comers, plus have space to target a recruit or two.
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That's a very small percentage of the squad!

Compare to other sides.

We don’t have a cap problem.

We don't have incredible depth.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
That's a very small percentage of the squad!

Compare to other sides.
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It's not a small percentage of the squad

I haven't bothered listing all the players coming out of contract

But it's 7 of probably our top 10 most important (and therefore most expensive)
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
No we haven't. Only some of them plus a number of our prime movers to sign up soon, with only Tex and Smith to retire in the foreseeable future.

2026 OOC - Curtin, Dawson, Michalanney, Hinge
2027 OOC - Keays, Rankine, Worrell

The whisper was that Dawson and Rankine were on heavily front-loaded deals which was what got the trades over the line. That won't be the case next contract.

The reason we gave Rachele & Soligo the long term, front-loaded deals was because we knew what was coming. Our list was too young so everyone would be peaking career earnings at the same time. Those Rachele/Soligo contracts won't have single-handedly solved all our salary cap challenges.

huludicidal is exactly right imho. A lot of our depth options will make way at the end of 2025 and 2026. Butts as a 5th tall defensive option is a luxury item for example.

Trim the fat - those who are handy at AFL level but unlikely to ever be A Grade. Also potentially off-load one or two Best 22 players who aren't in our top 10 most important, with cheap replacements. It's the only way you can keep your stars and your talented up and comers, plus have space to target a recruit or two.
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Dawson will be 29 when his contract expires and Keays 30. Can't imagine they will be getting enormous contracts
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
It's not a small percentage of the squad

I haven't bothered listing all the players coming out of contract

But it's 7 of probably our top 10 most important (and therefore most expensive)
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It's a much smaller percentage than most sides!

We have more players than most teams signed up to long term deals.

We only have Tex, Crouch, ROB & Milera of note who come out of contract this season.

Adelaide Crows AFL Player Contracts

Details of AFL player contracts for the Adelaide Crows.
www.footywire.com www.footywire.com

Find me another club with less players of note.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
It's a much smaller percentage than most sides!

We have more players than most teams signed up to long term deals.

We only have Tex, Crouch, ROB & Milera of note who come out of contract this season.

Adelaide Crows AFL Player Contracts

Details of AFL player contracts for the Adelaide Crows.
www.footywire.com www.footywire.com

Find me another club with less players of note.
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Yeah, I can't see how salary cap is going to be an issue for us.
 
NSolis said:
At least unlike McAsey the other players we were linked to if we didn't pick Pedlar haven't turned out to be all that great either. They've either played less games than Pedlar (Reef McInnes and Finlay Macrae) or left their drafting club to go home (Tanner Bruhn). Think we were destined not to get much from that pick.

If we didn't get McAsey we'd probably have picked Hayden Young who would be very nice to have.
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Tanner Bruhn likely to be heading to a third home as well, strong rumours linking him to Marngoneet in the Vic Correctional League
 

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hugecannon said:
Tom Powell is tracking pretty well at North.
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I don't recall us being linked with him though, so it's unlikely we'd have gone that way. There's always going to be someone good who goes later than a busted pick but the players we were linked with that I can see are McInnes, Macrae, Bruhn and Stone, in addition to Pedlar. No big misses there.
 
NSolis said:
I don't recall us being linked with him though, so it's unlikely we'd have gone that way. There's always going to be someone good who goes later than a busted pick but the players we were linked with that I can see are McInnes, Macrae, Bruhn and Stone, in addition to Pedlar. No big misses there.
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Dylan Stephens was who we were linked with mostly vs McAsey so if he had still been there maybe we go that way.

Lachie Ash was who I favoured but he went before as well....obviously Ash (Pick 4 we traded down from) was wanted by GWS to replace Heath Shaw who was near the end.
 
Mutineer said:
Dylan Stephens was who we were linked with mostly vs McAsey so if he had still been there maybe we go that way.

Lachie Ash was who I favoured but he went before as well....obviously Ash (Pick 4 we traded down from) was wanted by GWS to replace Heath Shaw who was near the end.
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Yeah there's lots of good players we might have picked up if we didn't get McAsey. Makes sense since it was a higher pick of course. As I mentioned earlier, Young would be a good addition to our side today and he was the next pick plus someone we were linked with.
 

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NSolis said:
Yeah there's lots of good players we might have picked up if we didn't get McAsey. Makes sense since it was a higher pick of course. As I mentioned earlier, Young would be a good addition to our side today and he was the next pick plus someone we were linked with.
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Will Day is the one, can’t remember if we were ever linked to him though, local lad. Imagine the next 10 years of a Day, Soligo, Rankine midfield.
 
Dewy006 said:
Any chance we make a play for Kozzie Picket? Obviously all the talk over here in the west is it’s a fait accompli he ends up at Freo but geeez he’d be perfect for our forward line
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Absolutely should be trying to get him to change his mind.

Hopefully our respective seasons can influence his decision.
 

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