List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Geoffa32]

Like he fixed Crouch and managed a flawless Murray return?

We have had one of the best injury lists since Burgess started here.

Can cherry pick, but overall his team are excelling at their job.

 

[Cromulant]

We have had one of the best injury lists since Burgess started here.

Can cherry pick, but overall his team are excelling at their job.

1970 does like to cherry pick

 

[1970crow]

We have had one of the best injury lists since Burgess started here.

Can cherry pick, but overall his team are excelling at their job.

I doubt they're any better than most of the league. They're not secret weapons that have some abilities that aren't present elsewhere. Is there any evidence at all of them turning around a player that had regular injury troubles? Burgess and co are no doubt among the better half, but there's no evidence of them being anything particularly special at an industry level. When you think about it, the only chronically bad injury runs that could be attributable, ie soft tissue, to a crap high performance team, happened at Brisbane and then the us about 10 years ago. Outside of that, I don't think there's a group in the league that has regularly looked liked they're much different than any other.

As an example, let's compare our current injury list with Gold Coast, who have 2 more injuries than us.

Of ours, you could argue that 1 of the 5 included mismanagement, Crouch. Whereas 0 of Suns could be argued as mismanagement. Yet you'd look at those lists and try and claim that somehow Burgess is a guru and the Suns' guys are in the non-guru group. If you looked at most club's injury lists, you'll find that very few are related to potential mismanagement and of the potential that could, I doubt many actually are. Fact is that, our team are good at what they do, but they're likely not much better than most in a field where there's very little difference from top to bottom.

At least now that Brett Burton has exited the field.

Matt Crouch	Hip	4 weeks
Toby Murray	Ankle	3-5 weeks
Luke Pedlar	Corked quad	Test
Oscar Ryan	Jaw	Test
Tyler Welsh	Toe	3-4 weeks

Charlie Ballard	Knee	Season
Tom Berry	Knee	1-3 weeks
Caleb Graham	Achilles	1-3 weeks
Will Graham	Shoulder	4-6 weeks
Elliott Himmelberg	Knee	Season
Max Knobel	Foot	Season
Jake Rogers	Ankle	1-3 weeks

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Outside of his first season and a half, Milera has never looked like being anything more than a role player. Doedee is all that plus a difference maker when the chips are down. There’d be little appetite for a non line breaking half back with low vision that gets SFA contested ball. Unlike our club, most don’t judge players based on games against developing or undermanned sides that are getting thrashed.

His best season was his third where he looked good and was on the rise but then he plateaued and kept getting injured.

 

[Geoffa32]

I doubt they're any better than most of the league. They're not secret weapons that have some abilities that aren't present elsewhere. Is there any evidence at all of them turning around a player that had regular injury troubles? Burgess and co are no doubt among the better half, but there's no evidence of them being anything particularly special at an industry level. When you think about it, the only chronically bad injury runs that could be attributable, ie soft tissue, to a crap high performance team, happened at Brisbane and then the us about 10 years ago. Outside of that, I don't think there's a group in the league that has regularly looked liked they're much different than any other.

As an example, let's compare our current injury list with Gold Coast, who have 2 more injuries than us.

Of ours, you could argue that 1 of the 5 included mismanagement, Crouch. Whereas 0 of Suns could be argued as mismanagement. Yet you'd look at those lists and try and claim that somehow Burgess is a guru and the Suns' guys are in the non-guru group. If you looked at most club's injury lists, you'll find that very few are related to potential mismanagement and of the potential that could, I doubt many actually are. Fact is that, our team are good at what they do, but they're likely not much better than most in a field where there's very little difference from top to bottom.

At least now that Brett Burton has exited the field.

Matt Crouch	Hip	4 weeks
Toby Murray	Ankle	3-5 weeks
Luke Pedlar	Corked quad	Test
Oscar Ryan	Jaw	Test
Tyler Welsh	Toe	3-4 weeks

Charlie Ballard	Knee	Season
Tom Berry	Knee	1-3 weeks
Caleb Graham	Achilles	1-3 weeks
Will Graham	Shoulder	4-6 weeks
Elliott Himmelberg	Knee	Season
Max Knobel	Foot	Season
Jake Rogers	Ankle	1-3 weeks

Does Burgess have a Neil Craig connection?


Or did he say somewhere he believes cats are better than dogs....

 

[1970crow]

1970 does like to cherry pick

How about you identify a single player with an injury riddled history that our group has turned around. Do you genuinely believe that our high performance team is leaps and bounds ahead of St Kilda's? That we have some kind of specialist knowledge that their crew doesn't possess? Obviously young Phillipou is having some ongoing issues, but it's not like we don't have recent experience with that ourselves.

 

[1970crow]

Does Burgess have a Neil Craig connection?


Or did he say somewhere he believes cats are better than dogs....

What are you talking about? Neil Craig blah blah. Our high performance team have clearly mismanaged both Crouch and Murray in very recent times. If you want to believe that Darren Burgess is some form of guru that's way ahead of the rest of the competition, go ahead, but I can tell you that there's absolutely no evidence to back up that belief. He's a very good operator, but there's more than a dozen just as good as him among the 18 groups and the variance between them all would be very little. And here's Saints current injury list, very little difference to ours. So you're assertion that Burgo can fix something that Saints group can't, is infantile, at best. Here's a challenge, name a bad AFL club high performance manager.

And by the way, I love cats, would have them back in my life in a heartbeat if not for where we live. Had 3 while living in Alice, at the same time, but it was safe there due to the setup of the house and where we lived had no fast passing traffic.

Zaine Cordy	Pectoral	2 weeks
Dougal Howard	Hamstring	TBC
Max King	Knee	Season
Mattaes Phillipou	Plantaris	3-4 weeks

 

[spenze]

1970 does like to cherry pick

Not sure he has mentioned virgins once

 

[rabidcrow]

It is a risk given his injury history but it may only cost us our first this year which is fine given how compromised the draft is this year. RTB won't be happy though, loves the kid.

Injury history fair point. But he is young - get him with Burgess. Is the POD we need. And would compliment Draper perfectly

 

[spenze]

Injury history fair point. But he is young - get him with Burgess. Is the POD we need. And would compliment Draper perfectly

Yeah just have to hope his luck will change. I'd be selling him the idea he is going to get to train where his old man did his best work

 

[FR0GGY]

Yeah just have to hope his luck will change. I'd be selling him the idea he is going to get to train where his old man did his best work

In the bedroom?

 

[conVINCEd]

Nas wants to play midfield according to the Saints CEO.

Wonder if that - along with a very healthy pay packet for 8-10 years - was part of our pitch to him.

 

[FR0GGY]

Nas wants to play midfield according to the Saints CEO.

Wonder if that - along with a very healthy pay packet for 8-10 years - was part of our pitch to him.

No room in ports stacked midfield, sorry NAS

 

[Crows I Am]

Saints are going to have a big chunk of their salary cap going to just two players if TDK does come over for the figures reported. $1.7m for TDK and around $1.2m for Nas. That's a lot of money tied to just two players.

 

[LoBu]

Nas wants to play midfield according to the Saints CEO.

Wonder if that - along with a very healthy pay packet for 8-10 years - was part of our pitch to him.

No doubt also our success in turning Dawson and Rankine into midfielders too

 

[Peter Doherty]

No doubt also our success in turning Dawson and Rankine into midfielders too

Don't forget Murphy in that list.

 

[spenze]

Saints are going to have a big chunk of their salary cap going to just two players if TDK does come over for the figures reported. $1.7m for TDK and around $1.2m for Nas. That's a lot of money tied to just two players.

TDK is the issue there, 1.7m should be reserved for a 100 goal a season forward (yes, I know they don't exist, that is the point) not for a Kmart version of Luke Jackson

 

[Betts are off]

I don't think the chase for NWM is over TBH.

Jon Ralph said we were 3rd in the cue, but that was after he also said Tom Lynch would probably get 2 weeks for his hit on Butts.

Soooooooo

 

[Carn The Texan]

I don't think the chase for NWM is over TBH.

Jon Ralph said we were 3rd in the cue, but that was after he also said Tom Lynch would probably get 2 weeks for his hit on Butts.

Soooooooo

I think most of the news coming out about player movements has been terribly unreliable this year. A lot of deliberate smoke and mirrors about a lot of players and even the usual reliable sources are equivocal. A lot to play out.

 

[Geoffa32]

Saints are going to have a big chunk of their salary cap going to just two players if TDK does come over for the figures reported. $1.7m for TDK and around $1.2m for Nas. That's a lot of money tied to just two players.

Port will be similar

Butters $1.5m
Nas $1.2
Rozee $1m plus
JHF???



I can't see how you can build a good team with more than 1 or 2 guys over $1m.

Port's team is full of scrubs that should be not playing AFL footy purely because their cap is skewed towards top talent.

It is like our SANFL team. AFL talent and top ups in the 22.

 

[Geoffa32]

I think most of the news coming out about player movements has been terribly unreliable this year. A lot of deliberate smoke and mirrors about a lot of players and even the usual reliable sources are equivocal. A lot to play out.

Made up BS generating clickbait and "discussion ".

Surely by now people need to start realising how fake Footy Media is.


Are Petracca and Oliver leaving Melbourne yet?

 

[Mutineer]

I don't think the chase for NWM is over TBH.

Jon Ralph said we were 3rd in the cue, but that was after he also said Tom Lynch would probably get 2 weeks for his hit on Butts.

Soooooooo

Queue.

 

[spenze]

Queue.

I think he was trying to say we were behind the 8 ball

 

[Mutineer]

I think he was trying to say we were behind the 8 ball

I thought he must have thought we were playing billiards or snooker.

 

[Betts are off]

I think he was trying to say we were behind the 8 ball

Well if its all about 8-balls, St Kilda probably have the inside line.

St Kilda players love 8-balls