List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Danger in Texas]

Achee is a good player, at worst he holds Keays to a higher standard, at best, he becomes the third highest goal kicker after Thilthorpe and Fogarty.

He's a much better player than Keays - not a knock on Keays, and possibly a better player than ANB, although slightly different types of players, ANB much more of a connector, Achee an actual target player.

I'd look closely at Davies at GC. Big body, clean, an upgrade on Berry to my eyes, plus I imagine he would be very cheap to trade in.

Davies could become the big bodied inside mid that Hately was supposed to become, plus his defensive game is very good. There may be others like him available elsewhere too.

Philipou would be a massive recruit for you, but he's signed up and I doubt we'd trade him save for a top 5 pick in a good draft, Saints rate him highly far as I can tell.

Obviously Bailey would be a big recruit.

Would also look at Jy Farrar to allow Rachelle and Rankine to spend more time in the midfield.

Davies would be a big help on the cheap. It was rumoured he’d be leaning towards staying now, but I’d imagine we’d up our offers to any available mids out there now

 

[UcantCme]

untouchables

Dawson
RT
Worrell
Maxy
Rankine
Rachelle

This young group with the skipper - need to drive us forward

 

[Ian Dunross]

Davies would be a big help on the cheap. It was rumoured he’d be leaning towards staying now, but I’d imagine we’d up our offers to any available mids out there now

My guess is that he'd be on $250kish. An offer of $750k for 4 years, with incentives would be very hard to ignore.

 

[Danger in Texas]

untouchables

Dawson
RT
Worrell
Maxy
Rankine
Rachelle

This young group with the skipper - need to drive us forward

Curtin, too

 

[40porpoise]

Are there any other rucks in the country not getting a game?

 

[Crow till I die]

Is Ah Chee really a significant upgrade on Keays/ANB

You always have to give up more to get an experienced recruit than keeping the guy you currently have.

I’d be interested in Ah Chee if Tex retires and we’re looking at him as a 3rd hybrid tall type (I know he’s not actually that tall but is fairly handy overhead)

I'd suspect AhChee comes in to replace tex and we run with Thilthorp and Fogarty as our 2 main talls then AhChee is a medium forward with the 3 smaller players. If we can get him for a snip, then trying to get Bailey should be a big priority as he can help with the midfield or play forward and we get rachele into the midfield day 1 preseason. He was AA as an underager there after all and heis a very smart player

 

[FR0GGY]

Are there any other rucks in the country not getting a game?

McAndrew

 

[hugecannon]

Are there any other rucks in the country not getting a game?

Max Heath at STK, but it sounds like he’s heading to Melbourne, potentially Ramsden from Hawthorn.

 

[Soggy2112]

Are there any other rucks in the country not getting a game?

I think we need to prioritise bringing in a 18-20 year old ruck to develop in the 2s.

Next year, reward McAndrew’s form in the 2s and give him some games. If ROB is the best ruck on the list he shouldn’t have a problem proving it.

I don’t think we need to do anything out of the box. Most good rucks around the league are guys who came in to the system young and developed as their body matured. We’ve just neglected to be a part of that process for the last decade for some reason.

 

[Thilthy Animal]

The matchup was the problem for Keane, more than anything else

It's his attitude once he was beaten that p!sses me off. Those 2 throws at the end of the game (1 directly in front of the goals) says to me "I don't care if what I do kills the team - I've lost my personal battle already so who gives a f..k". Not someone you can depend on when the going gets tough.

Trade him at his highest value. Saves everyone from having to buy a new TV when he invariably has another brain fade which costs us a final.

 

[Daniel6]

The matchup was the problem for Keane, more than anything else

The midfield didn’t apply any pressure or slow the ball down. That didn’t help Keane or Murray.

 

[Soggy2112]

It's his attitude once he was beaten that p!sses me off. Those 2 throws at the end of the game (1 directly in front of the goals) says to me "I don't care if what I do kills the team - I've lost my personal battle already so who gives a f..k". Not someone you can depend on when the going gets tough.

Trade him at his highest value. Saves everyone from having to buy a new TV when he invariably has another brain fade which costs us a final.

Great teams are full of players with glaring weaknesses.

Good coaches and good times find ways to hide those weaknesses and allow their strengths to shine.

We did that for the majority of the season with Keane which is why he had a great year. Those weaknesses were always there though.

Nicks should have changed the match ups around, and there should be more pressure up the field.

There are only a handful of players in each team who have elite attributes, but also no significant weaknesses. I’d say we have Dawson, Rankine, Worrell and Thilthorpe in that category. The rest you have to take the bad with the good sometimes.

 

[GreyCrow]

I think we need to prioritise bringing in a 18-20 year old ruck to develop in the 2s.

If only there was a mechanism like delisting someone that we could have done to bring in Dotson

He may not have been the answer but we never even tried

 

[kirky]

Schoenberg, Cook, scholl, berry move on for whatever we can take. Been there, done that. Didn't work.
Tex, Smith, Murphy, burgess, crouch retire or otherwise get out of there asap so we are never tempted to pick again (crouch has made the call for us on that one thank christ).

You just have named 8 players, not all can go at once.

 

[1990crow]

You just have named 8 players, not all can go at once.

I get rid of Smith, Murphy, Schoenberg, Crouch, Burgess, trade Sholl. Not sure who many main list spots that changes.

 

[moses]

Billy Coetee from Norwood is quick, has good skills and is a hybrid midfielder. Hope he gets a go somewhere.

On cue he's kicked a goal! Looks a good size

 

[fossilllCrow]

I get rid of Smith, Murphy, Schoenberg, Crouch, Burgess, trade Sholl. Not sure who many main list spots that changes.

Burgess will get a contract if Tex retires considering he did with him on the list also. Good back up. The rest I agree, would love to be brutal and look to move Berry, Keane nah but I personally wouldn’t care, even hinge or somone with a little value.

Try for Sharp in the draft if noone else wants to come who’s a big fish.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Billy Coetee from Norwood is quick, has good skills and is a hybrid midfielder. Hope he gets a go somewhere.

Way too good not to be on an AFL list. Would be a great small forward at AFL level

 

[Thilthy Animal]

Great teams are full of players with glaring weaknesses.

Good coaches and good times find ways to hide those weaknesses and allow their strengths to shine.

We did that for the majority of the season with Keane which is why he had a great year. Those weaknesses were always there though.

Nicks should have changed the match ups around, and there should be more pressure up the field.

There are only a handful of players in each team who have elite attributes, but also no significant weaknesses. I’d say we have Dawson, Rankine, Worrell and Thilthorpe in that category. The rest you have to take the bad with the good sometimes.

1000% agree. And of course you can't have 23 Rolls Royces running around.

But I'm more thinking from this perspective:

• How much better a draft pick can we get for Keane instead of Butts? Would this difference (possibly combined with the 1st round picks we already have) help net us that A-grade mid vs a B+?
• Would Butts leave this year or next year (potentially for very little compo) if he doesn't play in the firsts?
• What would we lose if we play Butts instead of Keane (intercept marking, some brilliant kicks to open up the offense) vs what we gain (better defending, less brain fades close to goal)?
• Can other players (Worrell, Max) take up the slack re: what we'd lose without Keane?

I'm not convinced we'd lose much without Keane, and theoretically we should net a much better pick trading him vs Butts.

 

[Cromulant]

Id keep Keane, but can certainly understand why people would look to move him. IMO we need one more attacking weapon back there plus a lockdown key defender

Luckily we have both of those on the list already, its whether we choose to use them

 

[Soggy2112]

1000% agree. And of course you can't have 23 Rolls Royces running around.

But I'm more thinking from this perspective:

• How much better a draft pick can we get for Keane instead of Butts? Would this difference (possibly combined with the 1st round picks we already have) help net us that A-grade mid vs a B+?
• Would Butts leave this year or next year (potentially for very little compo) if he doesn't play in the firsts?
• What would we lose if we play Butts instead of Keane (intercept marking, some brilliant kicks to open up the offense) vs what we gain (better defending, less brain fades close to goal)?
• Can other players (Worrell, Max) take up the slack re: what we'd lose without Keane?

I'm not convinced we'd lose much without Keane, and theoretically we should net a much better pick trading him vs Butts.

Keane was an AA squad member. His intercepting, 1-on-1 marking and ball use (despite the occasional brain fade) was really important. His big weakness is when he’s left one on one and theirs speed on the ball, he gets lost, and a smart forward like Gunston can get out on the lead easily. That’s a weakness that can be covered tactically and with good players around him. I think potentially Butts is a better complement to Worrell and Keane then Murray is.

I don’t see how trading Keane is going to get us a significant upgrade in the midfield that’ll be worth what we lose.

 

[40porpoise]

1000% agree. And of course you can't have 23 Rolls Royces running around.

But I'm more thinking from this perspective:

• How much better a draft pick can we get for Keane instead of Butts? Would this difference (possibly combined with the 1st round picks we already have) help net us that A-grade mid vs a B+?
• Would Butts leave this year or next year (potentially for very little compo) if he doesn't play in the firsts?
• What would we lose if we play Butts instead of Keane (intercept marking, some brilliant kicks to open up the offense) vs what we gain (better defending, less brain fades close to goal)?
• Can other players (Worrell, Max) take up the slack re: what we'd lose without Keane?

I'm not convinced we'd lose much without Keane, and theoretically we should net a much better pick trading him vs Butts.

We should be assessing the value of Keane when hes at his best, not when hes at his worst.

He was brilliant all year. Gunston probably not the right match up in hindsight. He fits in when our team defence is working and is so creative with ball in hand

 

[Mostyn]

Whomever gets Flanders will get a bargain as well. 2/3 would be sensational but also we need to get it done on 2 mids. No excuses.

Every rumour is that Flanders is only considering Melbourne clubs.

Bailey is contracted.

Didn't Phillipou just extend to 2029?

 

[happy_knackers]

You just have named 8 players, not all can go at once.

There was nine on count back. Keep Berry then if we must, retire Tex, crouch & Smith. The other 5 could go and we wouldn't be missing anything of any great note. All tried and failed many a time yet we keep going back to that well. Save us from ourselves and be forced to give some of these young guys not getting a go a crack. Win, win in my book.

 

[GreyCrow]

The other 5 could go and we wouldn't be missing anything of any great note. All tried and failed many a time yet we keep going back to that well. Save us from ourselves and be forced to give some of these young guys not getting a go a crack.

We know what they bring ( unfortunately thats Nicks mantra) but we need to stop pissing about trying to win a SANFL flag that even the SANFL dont want us to win

Development should be draft and position based. If you are a mid then you play mid - none of this go play back flank for a year .

If you are 28 yrs old and play FF in the AFL then dont get a midfield position

We need to bite the bullet in regards to SANFL and development