Looking ahead to 2024
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Let's do a geelong and demand a first round pick. Reckon Gunston played about as many games as Esava too
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You are calling Mr Denethor a very nasty name. Not very nice!
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Ok that gives away what it is but even knowing the 'brownlow' elements it doesn't get the words right / leaves bits out ... but thanks for the spoiler
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My brain immediately went to the movie 'Boss Level' ... almost posted the trailer but won't inflict that upon an unsuspecting group of innocent Lions surporters.Novice level now
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Sorry to go back to the topic but...
I got an email from the club today asking me to fill out their survey about the season. I gave pretty good feedback to most of the questions, they're always a bit annoying so you get through them hoping there's a chance to leave some free text at the end. And there was!
No idea who (if anyone) will read this at the club, but there we are.
Thanks for such a wonderful season. Really proud of all the players, coaches, staff and administrators etc for being part of such a united, cohesive and successful club, compared to where we were in 2016.
3 areas for growth in 2024:
1. Our playing group needs to be fitter. Attending 25 of our 26 games this year (I missed the trip to Perth), our inability to run out games strongly was very noticeable at times, in both wins and losses. One of those games was the Grand Final, and those conditions should have suited our guys more than our opposition. Our early 2000s team was exceptional in this regard.
2. It seems we will have some coaching turnover. Hopefully we can attract some strong applicants. We should be seeking to continue playing a style of game that is both successful AND high scoring/entertaining, so our coaches should embody this. The greatest teams of our generation (Brisbane 01-03, Geelong 07-11, Hawthorn 13-15 and Richmond 17-20) demonstrated these objectives are not mutually exclusive!
3. We should prioritise a request for 8 away games in Melbourne this year, including 4 at the MCG. We are unlikely to get 8, but we may get 7, and this reduces the likelihood of being drawn to play 2 games in Perth, or being shipped off to Alice Springs/Canberra/Ballarat/Launceston/Hobart etc. This request should take precedence over the Easter Thursday game against Collingwood. We showed this season with sell outs against Adelaide and St Kilda, we can fill the ground against any club if our team is playing well.
3b! Personally I'd prefer more day games but I appreciate this is probably counter to the club's desire for more prime time exposure (even tho it hasn't really given us any more respect/appreciation from the footy media I don't think).
Sorry, 3c, last one. For Gather Round, we should make a point of requesting to play at Norwood or the regional venue. This way we avoid a 12th "away" game against Adelaide or Port.
Obviously I'm happy to discuss any/all of the above in more detail if requested.
Thanks again for such an enjoyable season. It's always great to look forward to going to the footy.
All the best for 2024!
I got an email from the club today asking me to fill out their survey about the season. I gave pretty good feedback to most of the questions, they're always a bit annoying so you get through them hoping there's a chance to leave some free text at the end. And there was!
No idea who (if anyone) will read this at the club, but there we are.
Thanks for such a wonderful season. Really proud of all the players, coaches, staff and administrators etc for being part of such a united, cohesive and successful club, compared to where we were in 2016.
3 areas for growth in 2024:
1. Our playing group needs to be fitter. Attending 25 of our 26 games this year (I missed the trip to Perth), our inability to run out games strongly was very noticeable at times, in both wins and losses. One of those games was the Grand Final, and those conditions should have suited our guys more than our opposition. Our early 2000s team was exceptional in this regard.
2. It seems we will have some coaching turnover. Hopefully we can attract some strong applicants. We should be seeking to continue playing a style of game that is both successful AND high scoring/entertaining, so our coaches should embody this. The greatest teams of our generation (Brisbane 01-03, Geelong 07-11, Hawthorn 13-15 and Richmond 17-20) demonstrated these objectives are not mutually exclusive!
3. We should prioritise a request for 8 away games in Melbourne this year, including 4 at the MCG. We are unlikely to get 8, but we may get 7, and this reduces the likelihood of being drawn to play 2 games in Perth, or being shipped off to Alice Springs/Canberra/Ballarat/Launceston/Hobart etc. This request should take precedence over the Easter Thursday game against Collingwood. We showed this season with sell outs against Adelaide and St Kilda, we can fill the ground against any club if our team is playing well.
3b! Personally I'd prefer more day games but I appreciate this is probably counter to the club's desire for more prime time exposure (even tho it hasn't really given us any more respect/appreciation from the footy media I don't think).
Sorry, 3c, last one. For Gather Round, we should make a point of requesting to play at Norwood or the regional venue. This way we avoid a 12th "away" game against Adelaide or Port.
Obviously I'm happy to discuss any/all of the above in more detail if requested.
Thanks again for such an enjoyable season. It's always great to look forward to going to the footy.
All the best for 2024!
Worried about season 2024, everyone else is improving their teams, syd, port, pies.
We are just relying on incremental improvement. Could be leapfrogged by a few.
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We are just relying on incremental improvement. Could be leapfrogged by a few.
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We massively improved our team last off-season. I don't think you can go hard every year in the trade period, particularly given the free agent crop this year was pretty middling.
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Everyone else?
Sydney have improved. Pies - definitely with Shultz and McStay coming into their GF team.
For all Port have been linked with, I don’t see any of them making much difference at all.
Can’t say many teams have made significant improvements over the trade period. Adelaide, Carlton, GWS, GCS all likely to have the most scope for improvement out of all teams.
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We will be fine if some players take the next step. If they don't we are screwed
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nods - that Will Ashcroft for example needs to really work on his consistency ... I mean his impact on games just fell of a cliff part way through the season!
This is my concern Doodee and Ash won’t play before the mid season break. They’ll then take some time to find their feet and the team some time to gel. Making top 4 is not guaranteed.
To take the next step are basically relying on:
Gee whilst it’s nice to have Ash and Payne back. We’re relying a hell of a lot on a second year player coming off an ACL to make a massive difference in the midfield.
It’s possible Dev plays Dunkley’s defensive role and releases dunks to be an attacking mid. That could help, the mid rotation would run a bit deeper.
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To take the next step are basically relying on:
- Doodee as an upgrade on Lester
- Payne as an upgrade on Gardiner
- Ashcroft coming in for Ah Chee (slipping back to sub in place of Lyons
Gee whilst it’s nice to have Ash and Payne back. We’re relying a hell of a lot on a second year player coming off an ACL to make a massive difference in the midfield.
It’s possible Dev plays Dunkley’s defensive role and releases dunks to be an attacking mid. That could help, the mid rotation would run a bit deeper.
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We have a good shot at it next year.
Can't see any of our A Graders falling off a cliff , we just need some of Rayner ,Starcevich , Wilmot ,Kiddy , Fletcher , Hipwood , maybe Dev and McKenna to give us 10% or so more than they could this year.
We had a reasonable run with injuries over 2023 . In the end Ashcroft and Payne going down cost us a flag but hardly anyone else did so overall we had a better run than most. I'm very confident if Cal can get a good pre season in and have a bit of luck with injuries for a change he will become an important utility.
Lester and Gardiner whilst not key players are better backups than most teams have.
Doodee won't be playing till after the bye off 2 ACL's but I figure if we've given him 4 years we must really rate him.
I reckon we've got another 2 years of being right in a flag window. After that too conjectural to have any opinion.
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The biggest thing that could drive us up one spot next year is the pain of missing out this year.
Clearly our list is right in the mix and it isn't changing to any great extent and while some of the top teams have made changes they aren't shifting the balance of power.
As we've seen this year you wouldn't have expected Lester or Fletcher to be regular players in the second half of the season. We'll hopefully see some other players come through next season as well. Perhaps Lohmann after he decided to stay...
The other thing I would say is that over the course of this year Fagan changed the structure partly forced, partly not. If we start next season with 2 tall forwards and only 1 ruck then there is an opportunity to build on how that works best and also address some team balance issues alongside that. perhaps Lohmann or Tunstill gets more of a run as another mid+ sized forward - 5-10cm taller than McCarthy, Zorko, Bailey, Charlie.
One thing that I think would have been good on Grand Final day is having a faster Sub. I think pace as the sub is a big advantage when the rest of the players are slowing down. I don't think Lyons offers much as the Sub - although he may have been there tactically if they were worried one of the inside mids wouldn't get through the game with a pre existing niggle (eg. Robertson's "sore" wrist).
Clearly our list is right in the mix and it isn't changing to any great extent and while some of the top teams have made changes they aren't shifting the balance of power.
As we've seen this year you wouldn't have expected Lester or Fletcher to be regular players in the second half of the season. We'll hopefully see some other players come through next season as well. Perhaps Lohmann after he decided to stay...
The other thing I would say is that over the course of this year Fagan changed the structure partly forced, partly not. If we start next season with 2 tall forwards and only 1 ruck then there is an opportunity to build on how that works best and also address some team balance issues alongside that. perhaps Lohmann or Tunstill gets more of a run as another mid+ sized forward - 5-10cm taller than McCarthy, Zorko, Bailey, Charlie.
One thing that I think would have been good on Grand Final day is having a faster Sub. I think pace as the sub is a big advantage when the rest of the players are slowing down. I don't think Lyons offers much as the Sub - although he may have been there tactically if they were worried one of the inside mids wouldn't get through the game with a pre existing niggle (eg. Robertson's "sore" wrist).
