Lou Vincent - what's all that about?

[bus24]

Um...what makes you think he was talking about sledging btw?

"just to keep them quiet for a while."

 

[likka]

Any other examples?

Happens all the time... I think the Aussies expect nobody to answer back. When someone does they fire up as if being disrespected. Like it should be a one way street.

Hasn't happened much this summer as poms have meekly laid down.

Doesn't happen too much with sub continent teams due to cultural differences (ie more conservative and respectful).

Mainly with SA and NZ because they don't take it lying down. Also tends to get more personal between these teams too... "choo, choo, choo" sledge?

There were examples of it in Perth on Sunday night. Symonds and Johnson didn't like being spoken to and got animated. Johnson bowled 4 wides and fired up when McCullum quietly questioned if he was choking (or words to that effect - was trying to lipread).

All well and good, but if you give it you need to be able to take it.

No matter how good you are does not mean you are bigger than the game.

 

[LarryLong]

Aussies don't like being sledged back, but I disagree in going to the media about it.

Why? I figure that players are often asked by the press what it is like to bat against Australia. Why should he lie to save the Aussies' reputations?

I'm all for honesty. Blokes who nick it and don't walk should be prepared to admit it to the world and face any consequences. Blokes who abuse batsmen should be prepared to be outed by their opponents and likewise face the consequences, if any. Blokes who do neither should be held up to the world as an endangered species and should be widely respected.

Since when did telling the truth become a sign of weakness?

He'll certainly want to make a score on Sunday.

I don't think that will affect the amount of sledging he cops either way.

Now, before people jump all over me, let me clarify my position. I think in-the-moment sledging in cricket is great. However, I think planned, agressive, repetitive, unimaginitive abuse of a batsman is unsportsmanlike, and to be honest it is beneath a side with the ability of Australia.

 

[Cameron_K]

I wasn't giving a literal example, but that probably wasn't clear.

Maybe the better tennis analogy is to compare Federer and Hewitt.

One is the toast of the game and the other barely has a friend in the locker room. One has humility and is greatly respected amongst his peers, the other is arrogant and tolerated despite his talent and tenacity.

What a load of crap, obviously you always hang out in the atp locker rooms to know the Lleyton "barely" has any friends on the tour. With most of the players, Spanish and Argentines excluded Lleyton is actually quite popular according to all reports.

It's white line fever, move on, nothing to see here.

 

[just maybe]

"just to keep them quiet for a while."

He was mostly talking about their egos.

 

[likka]

What a load of crap, obviously you always hang out in the atp locker rooms to know the Lleyton "barely" has any friends on the tour. With most of the players, Spanish and Argentines excluded Lleyton is actually quite popular according to all reports.

It's white line fever, move on, nothing to see here.

All reports, eh?

FWIW I worked with a Russian lady whose niece is on the tour. Her husband pulled out of watching her play 2005 Aus Open and I went along last minute as she had a spare ticket and pass.

Him not being particularly liked in the locker rooms is information I got from her. A response to a direct question that I asked.

 

[bus24]

He was mostly talking about their egos.

and how do they show these egos out on the field? Sign Language?

 

[neddy36]

Lou actually knows a bit of sign language. During his time in Adelaide he became mates with a few deaf people. Maybe he was just teaching Symonds some Australian Sign Language?!

Big Farmers Union Iced Coffee drinker!!

 

[Grimreepah]

All well and good, but if you give it you need to be able to take it.

That's just something people say, but doesn't really have any meaning. You sledge to try and put people off their game, sometimes it works, usually it doesn't. Everyone 'needs to be able to take it', so they can perform at their optimum. Australia are winning and are not bleating to the media, which tells me they are doing a good job of 'taking it'.

I note you're quick to criticise the Australians but yet no criticism of McCullum. Why's that?

It seems there is this perception out there that when Australian's sledge they are arrogant bullies, but when the lesser likes sledge they are gallant for sticking it to the big boys. The tall poppy sydrome is only natural I suppose, but when people start getting on their high horse about it then it all becomes a bit silly.

 

[krisholio14]

That's just something people say, but doesn't really have any meaning. You sledge to try and put people off their game, sometimes it works, usually it doesn't. Everyone 'needs to be able to take it', so they can perform at their optimum. Australia are winning and are not bleating to the media, which tells me they are doing a good job of 'taking it'.

I note you're quick to criticise the Australians but yet no criticism of McCullum. Why's that?

It seems there is this perception out there that when Australian's sledge they are arrogant bullies, but when the lesser likes sledge they are gallant for sticking it to the big boys. The tall poppy sydrome is only natural I suppose, but when people start getting on their high horse about it then it all becomes a bit silly.

there is nothing wrong with a bit of an exchange from either side and i dont see why lou vincent making this kind of statement in the media is a problem. i have no doubt its a calculated move on the kiwis part to show they arent going to be pushed around in the verbal stakes. the aussies ARE bullies, who like to dish it out when its going their way, but cant hack it when someone gives it back.

you can see by how precious most aussie fans have gotten about the whole thing in this thread, and its no different to what their cricketers do on the field. someone has stood up to you, now make him eat his words on the pitch., simple as that.

and one other thing. the australian side DOES think they are above the game, and have for years. thats why they squeal at a supposed chucker or match fixerfrom another country, then sweep it under the carpet when it's one of their own.

 

[Ripper]

there is nothing wrong with a bit of an exchange from either side and i dont see why lou vincent making this kind of statement in the media is a problem. i have no doubt its a calculated move on the kiwis part to show they arent going to be pushed around in the verbal stakes. the aussies ARE bullies, who like to dish it out when its going their way, but cant hack it when someone gives it back.

you can see by how precious most aussie fans have gotten about the whole thing in this thread, and its no different to what their cricketers do on the field. someone has stood up to you, now make him eat his words on the pitch., simple as that.

and one other thing. the australian side DOES think they are above the game, and have for years. thats why they squeal at a supposed chucker or match fixerfrom another country, then sweep it under the carpet when it's one of their own.

I agree entirely with the bolded bit. Not so sure about the last paragragh though.

Lou has been a breath of fresh air and added some excitement to the series.

 

[likka]

Lou has been a breath of fresh air and added some excitement to the series.

I think CA are happy with this development as well... try and spin some spice into the remainder of the summer.

 

[Gopies 2002]

there is nothing wrong with a bit of an exchange from either side and i dont see why lou vincent making this kind of statement in the media is a problem. i have no doubt its a calculated move on the kiwis part to show they arent going to be pushed around in the verbal stakes. the aussies ARE bullies, who like to dish it out when its going their way, but cant hack it when someone gives it back.

you can see by how precious most aussie fans have gotten about the whole thing in this thread, and its no different to what their cricketers do on the field. someone has stood up to you, now make him eat his words on the pitch., simple as that.

and one other thing. the australian side DOES think they are above the game, and have for years. thats why they squeal at a supposed chucker or match fixerfrom another country, then sweep it under the carpet when it's one of their own.

Where is the evidence they can't take it ? Grimreepah is correct, people complain when the Aussies sledge and in the same breath applaud the Kiwis for doing the same. The fact Vincent and before that Smith go to the media shows it does get under there skin.

As for sledging - every level I have ever played has had sledging. IMO its adds a bit of fun to the game.

 

[emperor]

I don't have a problem with the Aussies sledging nor do I have any problem with Lou Vincent's comments in the media. If he is game enough to voice his opinion (which will no doubt be used against him by the Aussies) good luck to him. Despite the arguments in this thread, his opinions echo a lot of opinions from cricket followers from other nations, as much as we Aussie supporters don't like to accept it.

The thing with the Aussies is that a majority of them are quite proficient sledgers, which no doubt is a result of confidence and their relentless attitude. The fact that most countries only have one or two effective sledgers (with the possible exception of South Africa - do they?) and some none at all, means that the Aussies probably do seem like big bullies to other cricketing nations.

I wonder how many of the Kiwis are good sledgers? McCullum sounds like he can give a bit of lip but are there any others in the Kiwi lineup who are good at it? Can't really think of any and the same goes for England.

 

[Cooldude]

Pffft, Aussie cricketers sledge, some of them act like egomaniacs and ********ers, waht's new?

 

[krisholio14]

Where is the evidence they can't take it ? Grimreepah is correct, people complain when the Aussies sledge and in the same breath applaud the Kiwis for doing the same. The fact Vincent and before that Smith go to the media shows it does get under there skin.

As for sledging - every level I have ever played has had sledging. IMO its adds a bit of fun to the game.

didnt you see the look on their faces when mccullum was giving them a bit of stick the other night? the totally indignant looks on their faces showed clearly they dont like it one bit.

andre nel anyone?

the thing the aussies have in their favor is when they talk the talk they usually walk the walk.

 

[mr_cellotape]

There were examples of it in Perth on Sunday night. Symonds and Johnson didn't like being spoken to and got animated. Johnson bowled 4 wides and fired up when McCullum quietly questioned if he was choking (or words to that effect - was trying to lipread).

Or it shows that McCullum has nads the size of a pea and had to sledge the most inexperienced player on the team (at a point in the game where his team was done and dusted, by the way). Can't imagine him saying anything to McGrath or Lee after that type of incident. Sledging is for winners, not overachievers.

 

[krisholio14]

I agree entirely with the bolded bit. Not so sure about the last paragragh though.

Lou has been a breath of fresh air and added some excitement to the series.

my last paragraph is probably for another thread. i will say tho that the summer has taken on some interest now that the kiwis are here. they definitely know how to stir the aussies up a bit, even if they arent beating them.

i just wanted to say also, i love your av, and im seriously hoping the boy in it becomes a superstar. just quietly i think he will

 

[likka]

Sledging is for winners, not overachievers.

Most stupid post of the year so far...

 

[krisholio14]

Or it shows that McCullum has nads the size of a pea and had to sledge the most inexperienced player on the team (at a point in the game where his team was done and dusted, by the way). Can't imagine him saying anything to McGrath or Lee after that type of incident. Sledging is for winners, not overachievers.

and thanks to you, mr cellotape, for providing some evidence to one of my previous posts on the aussie fans being the same as their cricketers. dont like copping a bit do you?

 

[pinkus maximus]

good on him i say. it didnt sound like a whinge to me,just stating facts

 

[Grimreepah]

and thanks to you, mr cellotape, for providing some evidence to one of my previous posts on the aussie fans being the same as their cricketers. dont like copping a bit do you?

Similarly it's also interesting to observe you dishing it out, at the same time as criticising the Australians for doing so

 

[krisholio14]

Similarly it's also interesting to observe you dishing it out, at the same time as criticising the Australians for doing so

the difference is i can dish it out, but i also cop it on the chin and dont look like ive just eaten a bag of lemons.

im not criticizing the aussies for sledging. i reckon its great, and often funny (i mean how many classics has warney come up with, even to his own teammates). its when the shoe is on the other foot and theyre getting a bit of their own back where i have the issues.

 

[Grimreepah]

its when the shoe is on the other foot and theyre getting a bit of their own back where i have the issues.

The funny thing is that I hear all this whinging about how they Aussies don't like being sledged, yet I don't ever recall hearing an Aussie complaining about it.

 

[Power21]

He was mostly talking about their egos.

He was talking about sledging mate.