M.Murphy v's S.Higgins v's S.Pendlebury

[2TONE]

the guy who deleted my thoughts on this matter poor form on your behalf... so once again for all the kiddies
pendlebury already top 10 in comp and will be a premiership vc in a few weeks time. The other guys in question have shown their hands, what you see now is probally just about it. also pendles little mate one dale thomas will join pendles in the elite group of the comp in the next few seasons. enjoy..

 

[The Panther]

Pendlebury is officially an All Australian. /Debate.

 

[DoubleO7]

Pendlebury is officially an All Australian. /Debate.

... was also labelled as one of the most creative players in the AFL. Go figure.

 

[jonoman89]

Pendlebury is officially an All Australian. /Debate.

Scarlett has just as many AA caps as Silvagni, might even get more.

But there's no debate on who's the better player.

I'd take 2009 Murphy over 2010 Pendles every day of the week.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

I'd take 2009 Murphy over 2010 Pendles every day of the week.

And that's why Carlton fans will never be able to see their team win a flag while Murphy's still playing. You accept mediocrity. Murphy looks wonderful going forward, but he lacks a defensive side and his opponents can take advantage. Ever wonder why your backs aren't that good? It's partly because your midfielders don't get back to help them out when you're under pressure. It's about more than just running forward and kicking goals.

 

[half_back_flank]

Scarlett has just as many AA caps as Silvagni, might even get more.

But there's no debate on who's the better player.

I'd take 2009 Murphy over 2010 Pendles every day of the week.

Scarlett right?

(May as well discuss this, as the poll was decided long ago)

 

[jonoman89]

And that's why Carlton fans will never be able to see their team win a flag while Murphy's still playing. You accept mediocrity.

Please, don't lecture a carlton supporter about 'accepting mediocrity'. i doubt we'd be the most successful club in the league if we did....

Murphy looks wonderful going forward, but he lacks a defensive side and his opponents can take advantage. Ever wonder why your backs aren't that good? It's partly because your midfielders don't get back to help them out when you're under pressure. It's about more than just running forward and kicking goals.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=5&pid2=1611&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2009&fid2=S

I would prefer one more goal a game to one more disposal and one more tackle. Wouldn't you?

And Pendles averages 0.4 more tackles per game for his entire career. I don't think you can really have a go at Murphy's defensive side when he tackles in almost identicle numbers as Pendlebury.

But you're entitled to your opinion of course.

 

[MightyMark]

Scarlett has just as many AA caps as Silvagni, might even get more.

But there's no debate on who's the better player.

I'd take 2009 Murphy over 2010 Pendles every day of the week.

Are you kidding me, there is plenty to debate about. They are the 2 best fullback's of the modern era, probably history! The only difference is that Silvagni has already retired and Scarlett is still playing, once Scarlett goes the debate between who is the best full back ever will be as tightly contested as the debate over who is the best footballer ever (Ablett, but i'm biased)

 

[Rustin Cohle]

I would prefer one more goal a game to one more disposal and one more tackle. Wouldn't you?

And Pendles averages 0.4 more tackles per game for his entire career. I don't think you can really have a go at Murphy's defensive side when he tackles in almost identicle numbers as Pendlebury.

But you're entitled to your opinion of course.

Not when the one goal comes at the expense of having the player's opponent set up or kick just as many.

Defense is about more than just tackling. It's about being able to run both ways, to get back in the defensive half and provide an option when the defensive unit is in trouble. It's about running hard to make space, to provide an option for a teammate. A midfielder's job doesn't stop at the defensive end of the centre square.

That's why I also laugh when people knock Swan and Ablett for picking up "cheap" possessions in the back half. It's as if people don't realise that the best midfielders are the ones who are willing to go back and help out their defenders, giving them the time and space to create run from half back.

 

[jonoman89]

Not when the one goal comes at the expense of having the player's opponent set up or kick just as many.

Defense is about more than just tackling.

Tackling is the most effective way of defending....

That's why I also laugh when people knock Swan and Ablett for picking up "cheap" possessions in the back half. It's as if people don't realise that the best midfielders are the ones who are willing to go back and help out their defenders, giving them the time and space to create run from half back.

Tackling an opponent in the forward 50 or back 50 makes no difference, it's still defensive work. Murphy probably does spend more time forward of the play than Pendlebury, but Murphy makes up for that by kicking goals. Pendlebury doesnt. The Pies also tend to flood the ball a lot more in stoppages and in the backline more than us, we play pretty risky high posession football through the corridor (when we're playing well ). You guys use the boundary more often and are more structured.

Murphy could probably pad his stats a bit more tackle and posession wise if he dropped back defensively more...but that's not really his job in our team.

And remember that tackle counts are easier to accumulate in the backline and midfield than up forward. A forward line player has half the tackles a midfielder has. Who's to say Murphy's not better defensively because he get's his tackles further up the ground (a harder thing to do) and he has virtually the same tackle count?

Murphy can develop his defensive side, but i think it's unreasonable to suggest he's far below Pendlebury in that area. Maybe a little bit, but not much. I think his ability to kick the ball inside 50 more often and kick more goals more than makes up for it.

 

[HFF]

I'd take 2009 Murphy over 2010 Pendles every day of the week.

2009: Marc Murphy selected in AA squad of 40. No AA selection final 22.
2009: Scott Pendlebury selected AA squad of 40. No AA selection final 22.
2010: Marc Murphy not selected in AA squad of 40.
2010: Scott Pendlebury selected in AA squad of 40. AA selection in final 22.

Murphy 2009 > Pendlebury 2010?

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[blues4flag]

2009: Marc Murphy selected in AA squad of 40. No AA selection final 22.
2009: Scott Pendlebury selected AA squad of 40. No AA selection final 22.
2010: Marc Murphy not selected in AA squad of 40.
2010: Scott Pendlebury selected in AA squad of 40. AA selection in final 22.

Murphy 2009 > Pendlebury 2010?

Keep telling yourself that.

Definitely not much separating the two. A lot of people had Murphy making the side and he would have been in the next 1 or 2. Pendles just made the cut this season.

The AA selectors don't like to select players in their first 'breakout' season (unless they play for a top side). Had Pendles had a poor season last season I wouldn't be surprised to see him miss this season.

Let's not forget Murph played for the 7th ranked team last year and Pendles plays for the minor premiers. That said, Pendlebury has had a phenomenal season and on the back of it, is ahead of Murphy at this stage of their careers.

 

[smiddaz123]

Please, don't lecture a carlton supporter about 'accepting mediocrity'. i doubt we'd be the most successful club in the league if we did....

How does the expectations of fans and what they accept effect the performance of the club?

 

[The Panther]

Definitely not much separating the two.

There is absolute daylight seperating the 2.

In Marc Murphy's most important game of the year, his opponent kicked 2 goals on him & had 2 direct goal assists in his job tagging Murphy. Do you seriously believe a player the ilk of Rhyce Shaw could do this to Pendlebury?

 

[blues4flag]

There is absolute daylight seperating the 2.

In Marc Murphy's most important game of the year, his opponent kicked 2 goals on him & had 2 direct goal assists in his job tagging Murphy. Do you seriously believe a player the ilk of Rhyce Shaw could do this to Pendlebury?

I was comparing Murphy's 09 and Pendlebury's 2010.

 

[Uhumagoo]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=5&pid2=1611&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2009&fid2=S

I would prefer one more goal a game to one more disposal and one more tackle. Wouldn't you?

And Pendles averages 0.4 more tackles per game for his entire career. I don't think you can really have a go at Murphy's defensive side when he tackles in almost identicle numbers as Pendlebury.

But you're entitled to your opinion of course.

Thats because the Murphy "only runs way" line has become one of Big Footy's great myths... Amusing to see the same posters trotting out the line though. Usually the same posters thinking he is cant get his own ball. Need to watch him closer because they are simply wrong.
FWIW, Pendles slightly ahead of Murphy on the back of his 2010 season.

 

[blues4flag]

Thats because the Murphy "only runs way" line has become one of Big Footy's great myths... Amusing to see the same posters trotting out the line though. Usually the same posters thinking he is cant get his own ball. Need to watch him closer because they are simply wrong.
FWIW, Pendles slightly ahead of Murphy on the back of his 2010 season.

Yep. Spat at by Collingwood supporters with tiresome monotony. Doesn't stop at Murphy too - extends to our whole midfield, Judd included.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

im a supporter of murphy being of equal ability to pendlebury, but tackle counts do not prove that murphy doesn't only run one way.... you can get a tackle anywhere on the ground

* im not saying he does, just that that stat doesn't prove it

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Pendlebury..... Easily. What kind comparison is this ffs?!?!?!!?

 

[jonesy86]

Definitely not much separating the two. A lot of people had Murphy making the side and he would have been in the next 1 or 2. Pendles just made the cut this season.

The AA selectors don't like to select players in their first 'breakout' season (unless they play for a top side). Had Pendles had a poor season last season I wouldn't be surprised to see him miss this season.

Let's not forget Murph played for the 7th ranked team last year and Pendles plays for the minor premiers. That said, Pendlebury has had a phenomenal season and on the back of it, is ahead of Murphy at this stage of their careers.

You don't think Pendlebury's improvement has had anything to do with making Collingwood minor premiers?

 

[blues4flag]

You don't think Pendlebury's improvement has had anything to do with making Collingwood minor premiers?

Of course it does but Collingwood being minor premiers also helps Pendlebury make the AA side. As history shows, the AA side is dominated by the top 3 or 4 teams.

 

[The Panther]

Thats because the Murphy "only runs way" line has become one of Big Footy's great myths

It's hardly a myth when you see players the ilk of Rhyce Shaw exposing Murphy on the turnover.