Malthouse Megathread

[Old Spice]

Have a look how Ratten handled being knifed. MM had a snipe on the premiership dias the ****en egotistical old fart with a year to run on his senior coach gig.

If I tried to include everything, like Bucks assistant coaching relegations and Micks pot shot on the dias, the internet would have collapsed under weight of volume.

 

[eddiebankbalance]

MM's, sit it in the sun and it turns to shit....

 

[handy point]

Do your best, Agent Malthouse.

 

[Hungry Hawk]

Good read. Never was a Buckley fan but the way he has handled himself and the media this year has been nothing short of sensational. As opposed to your ol mate Mick.

 

[Stripes B and W]

Well done Spicey, well documented all round. Too easy to take childish pot shots on this anonymous forum, so it makes good and mature reading with facts and recall supporting great opinion. To a very large extent we have not resorted to MM is this or that, no cheap name calling.
Let's welcome in the Bucks dynasty, with a vengeance in 24 hours time.

 

[Old Spice]

It's hard to hate these Hawks bastards isn't it?

Love Hodge and especially Sewelly, still, I'm sure we'll find a way once we build up a finals rivalry we haven't had yet.

 

[Go_Brad_Dick]

The days of the loony old codger coach are over.. They don't understand modern football or the personalities of the new gen of footballer, stuck in their stubborn egocentric ways. This will be a sorry sad comeback for Mick and suck shit to the scum for being desperate enough to try it.

 

[jasonwilde]

That post from OLD SPICE is one of the best things I've read on here for awhile.

+ 1.
Can't believe how short some people's memories are. MM's behaviour has been awful.
Also, hopefully some opposition (and supposedly Pies) supporters read it and stop saying 'you sacked a Premiership coach'. Is it ignorance or stupidity in forgetting the agreement was signed well before he took us to a flag?

 

[jonbe54]

+ 1.
Can't believe how short some people's memories are. MM's behaviour has been awful.
Also, hopefully some opposition (and supposedly Pies) supporters read it and stop saying 'you sacked a Premiership coach'. Is it ignorance or stupidity in forgetting the agreement was signed well before he took us to a flag?

Nah jason - haters and rednecks don't care they just want to bag us.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I believe his motivation for returning to coaching is revenge. He is one of the hated now. His legacy with us will forever be tainted.

Bad decision Mick.

Welcome to the dark side my friend.

I've been here since 2003. You're all welcome and all is forgiven.

Can the mods revoke all my Mick hate cards now too?

Lol rubbish. Succession plan costed a premiership.

Couldn't be further from the truth. It was the deadline that gave Mick the impetus to actually recruit and coach for a flag. Even Nick Maxwell said WHILE Mick was still coach that he didn't think we would have won that flag if it wasn't for the succession plan. "Would Mick have been coaching the way he has if the plan wasn't in place? Not so sure". He said on GameDay last year.

Deny all you like, but it's far too much of a coincidence to be nothing more than a coincidence. You telling me in 09 we looked anything resembling what we became in 10? Get f**ked if you say yes because you're lying.

We had all been CRYING out for a real ruckman to be recruited to this club. Also a true nuggety inside mid the likes of Tony Francis.

What happens after Mick is given a true deadline? Jolly and Ball.

If you're still so bothered about it despite the clear indications otherwise, then go support Carlton if you love Mick so much.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Those saying that he is a career coach and he is entitled to move to Carlton are correct.

Modern world stuff.

However, I'm not all for that lack of allegiance-immoral-untraditional-non-emotive ideal.

I prefer someone who would prefer to stick through things thick and thin, respect moral and contractual obligations.

Other "progressive" modern persons think otherwise.

 

[Didak Wine]

Mick is Mick. He's his own club. The truth it's us on this forum that bleed black and white. We dont gain a dime but invest everything

 

[Kickthebloodything]

Waaa waaa

Don't blame me for Blues upheaval: Malthouse



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dont-blame-me-for-blues-upheaval-malthouse-20120909-25m28.html

 

[Old Spice]

Farcical post. Your emotions are getting the better of you. I dont give two hoots about Mick Malthouse the person, if he now wants to coach elsewhere so be it. At the time he was the best person for the job. Even today Scott Watters on radio said he was the best hes ever seen.

Comparing 09 to 10 is bordering on stupidity. Our next generation of stars were nowhere near ready to perform. In 2010 they were ready, we had the gameplan and we had the coach.

On Jolly and Ball are you serious? Those types of players just dont fall out of trees. We got them cheap due to circumstances. Jolly wanting to come back to Melb and Ball with his fallout with Ross Lyon. Any other year we would have had to give up key players to get them over. Fact was in 2010 our list was ready and need the finishing touches.

You really are dumb aernt you? You forgeting that thats when the Cats were at their peak? We had no chance until our youngsters got a few more games under their belts. If you think in 09 if we had Jolly and Ball we would have won the premiership then YOU can go get f****d cos you have no idea.

Para 1: Wow, of all the one AFL sides Watters had coached at, Mick was the best.

Para 2: Love your one-track-mind Kreuger. We werent 'near ready to perform' in 2009. Winning in 2010 had nothing to do with recruiting Jolly and Ball (recall some finals wins off Ball's boot - nah, I'm hallucinating).

Para 3: But hang on, now Ball and Jolly are important. Any chance you can make up your mind?

Para 4: meltdown.

 

[Stripes B and W]

Blues supporters need to realise they are doing much much more than appointing an expensive coaching group.
These days with MM, you get the complete and total package, your sell your football soul and become Malthoused.
It becomes ALL about Mick.

Are they wondering who is pulling the strings, who is sacking coaches are light speed? They can rationilise it as a necessary process, a charade, if you like. I would be far from happy with my club ALLOWING itself to be used in this manner, complicit even.
I would be very surprised if the Prez, is around for any length of time, he must be totally haunted by these going on. Doubt he is sleeping too well as the power slips from those with ' blue ' hearts.

WHat of Micks arrival at Collingwood? Well, we needed firm and clear direction, club and playing stocks were at rock bottom, literally. That type of coach and personality was exactly what was required. Totally different scenario to the current one.

 

[rose jam]

Sometimes it's what you don't say that counts. When Wayne Carey suggested there was some player rift, it was left to Robert Walls of all people to come to the plate "put up or shut up" with your nonsense. Carey always hated Buckley from NM days and the tour of Ireland where Bucks wanted to go see a movie while Carey wanted to hit the piss. You have to ask why it wa left to Walls as a commentator to defend Buckley, and not his previous coach?

Thanks for the premiership but the exit has been pretty bloody ungracious and calculated to undermine Buckley in my view.

Walls has always been a supporter of Buckley because he understands him after coaching him for his first year.

Mick can't familiarise himself with Bucks because Bucks was extremely self sufficient as a player and I never felt Mick attaches himself to people that don't need him to control them. He's very egotistical in this respect.

 

[Ant85]

Toad. i think you are neglecting to see the most commonly expressed ' issues " with MM coaching elsewhere. Let's go past he had a contract with the Coll. FC and just assume he was a media employed coach. No problem, let him ply his trade with whomever wants to employ him, he is proven as excellent at his given trade and most likely will do well too.

Issues, in no order.
His ungracious and bitter lack of respect toward our current coach, a man who bleed for him as his best player and captain for many years on field. Let's give MM a leave pass on that one, he was internally bitter at being moved on by Coll and he holds a grudge at Bucks.

His oft repeated lines that he could never coach against his boys, ( words to this effect). Lets let this pass, he was emotional on the BF night, he has tempered over time toward them.

His continual lauding of praise on the string of current coaches that worked under him at CFC , with the glowing exception of....guess who. In any case, lets put that down to bitterness.

The pathetic charade to lure him to Carlton, 'do i fit' , ' do i want this', the seduction, the bloody knifing, the supposed process. Can you wait for the public consummation? Nauseating public grovelling, cheapening all involved. You can decide how to argue that one away.

There will be a huge shift in pressure to those that engineered this decision, Swan and Sticks. Mick's ego won't wear a gram of it, but ultimately it will be determined by success. There is NO middle ground here, it's either Premiership or failure, either will come at a high cost.

Finally, Toad, dont connect the 'Cloke' issue with the appointment of MM. They are seperate, until they ever become joined...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I can't help but feel angry about Malthouse going to Carlton, partly because I hate Carlton, and second because of the reasons you mentioned about Malthouse.

He has shown nothing but contempt for Collingwood since his departure, and I have no doubt that spite is partly motivating his decision to go to Carlton.

An old bitter man that refused to go out on the high Collingwood sent him on. He's out for revenge, don't worry about that.

F**k him and that rabble of a club. I never thought I could hate Carlton more than I did.

 

[sr36]

I loved MM and think that he was and probably still is the best coach going around. If he wasn't going to Carlton I'd wish him all the best, unfortunately I fully expect Carlton to be top 4 as early as next year.

To me he is the master in managing and getting the best out of individuals. He is also cutting edge in terms of game plans.

 

[Nebula1971]

Sensational posts by Stripes B & W and Old Spice.

I was grateful of the flag in 2010, but quickly disliked him with his treatment of Bucks.

Carlton was his destiny and they deserve him. It will end in more tears there than our Succession Plan. He is already defending himself there with regards to Carlton's assistant coaches and whether he has had any influence. His response is so Mick like and clearly talking shit.

Deal with it Mick!!!

 

[Old Spice]

I loved MM and think that he was and probably still is the best coach going around. If he wasn't going to Carlton I'd wish him all the best, unfortunately I fully expect Carlton to be top 4 as early as next year.

To me he is the master in managing and getting the best out of individuals. He is also cutting edge in terms of game plans.

I'd like to say we'll see, but we'll never know. And I mean that, even if we win the next flag before Carlton. Sentimentalism is an understable, but useless emotion. Start getting sloppy anew.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Don't really care to be honest. All the best to him.

 

[sr36]

I'd like to say we'll see, but we'll never know. And I mean that, even if we win the next flag before Carlton. Sentimentalism is an understable, but useless emotion. Start getting sloppy anew.

I'd like to get sloppy over Bucks, but I'm really struggling to see any positives over the direction that we've taken this year. Having said that, the article from yeasterday that brought up the notion of Buckley not really having ahd a mandate for change was a pretty pertinent one. Players were obviously extremely committed to last year's game plan and when the year started so badly, it's very likely that many would have been very disgruntled with a new direction. So having said that, it'll probably be next year that Buckley really gets a chance to get teh players playing the way that he wants them to play. I hope that he gives me the opportunity to get sloppy over him.

 

[Old Spice]

I'd like to get sloppy over Bucks, but I'm really struggling to see any positives over the direction that we've taken this year. Having said that, the article from yeasterday that brought up the notion of Buckley not really having ahd a mandate for change was a pretty pertinent one. Players were obviously extremely committed to last year's game plan and when the year started so badly, it's very likely that many would have been very disgruntled with a new direction. So having said that, it'll probably be next year that Buckley really gets a chance to get teh players playing the way that he wants them to play. I hope that he gives me the opportunity to get sloppy over him.

Fair enough. Inertia is a big thing in footy.

 

[Somebody]

Changing track, having dealt with him for many years, it would be great if a few level-headed posters could let me know about some of MM's noticeable tendencies in regards to trading, favourite types of players, and player selection.

I don't know about those issues, but MM is definitley an egocentric coach - his strengths are he emphasises defense and intensity, commands respect from players and seems to be good at man management. However apart from that and the derivative innovation of the "press" ( he failed to acknowledge that it was derivative from flooding, rolling zones etc of other coaches) I think he is fairly mediocre especially on match day. He also had a habit of publicly blaming players - publicly blaming Jason Cloke for a finals loss was pretty disgraceful I thought. I feel a bit sorry for Carlton supporters (but not the club itself of course, in fact I'm looking forward gleefully overall) for what is in store for them for the next 5 years or so.

 

[Mark_K]

In today's paper, he shifted the blame of Carlton assistants getting the sack, as part of their 'end of year process', in which he had no bearing on at all.

Don't shit me Mick. Its been clear as day what you are doing.