Conspiracy Theory Mandates, Lockdowns, Covid-19, SARS-Cov-2 Thread - Get vaccinated.

[Roby]

Wanting covid to keep going
Obsessed with daily case numbers
Overly scared about covid
Begging for more totalitarian measures
Championing the segregation of society
Praising and begging for vaccine mandates

The list goes on

Personally...

I don't want to keep going. I'd be over the moon if it could be stopped right now.

Obsessed with daily case numbers? Nope.

I'm not scared of Covid. I know a lot about it. I'm as frightened as when I walk on a footpath.

I love totalitarian measures and so do you. Or you prefer complete chaos?

Society is segregated? Vaccinate don't segregate. Supporting capitalism is championing segregation at the utmost level. Do you support capitalism? Is that your cult?

Vaccine mandates are good. It allows you to live, be free and not lockdown, what's not to like?

Sounds like you like Covid to last and for people to stay lockdown and depressed.

 

[Roby]

Percarditis
Can in some cases cause permanent heart damage

How does it cause percarditis?

 

[Roby]

Except they work in completely different ways to that solution and pose different challenges. Just like the window shape matters suddenly.

New technology comes with new issues, unforeseen issues. Unintended outcomes happen all the time in medicine.

Unintended outcomes happen all the time in biology. You really aren't making any nuanced points here.

 

[Taylor]

Unintended outcomes happen all the time in biology. You really aren't making any nuanced points here.

The point is that using previous vaccine outcomes as expectations for this new technology is not appropriate.

That's always been the point. It's neither controversial nor complicated.

We are in uncharted territory with these.

 

[TheKanga]

How does it cause percarditis?

Myocarditis and pericarditis following COVID-19 vaccines - The Melbourne Vaccine Education Centre (MVEC)

Myocarditis and pericarditis are rare inflammatory diseases most commonly associated with viral infections (including SARS-CoV-2).

mvec.mcri.edu.au

 

[Chief]

using previous vaccine outcomes as expectations for this new technology is not appropriate

One last time: who said this?

 

[Roby]

The point is that using previous vaccine outcomes as expectations for this new technology is not appropriate.

That's always been the point. It's neither controversial nor complicated.

We are in uncharted territory with these.

But Taylor this really YOUR opinion.

Saying we are in uncharted territory compared to previous vaccinations is not the opinion of the medical community.

We can come back and revisit this, in a month, two months, three months, six months, a year, two years and ten years. You won't find anything different, IMO. Stand to be corrected.

 

[Roby]

Myocarditis and pericarditis following COVID-19 vaccines - The Melbourne Vaccine Education Centre (MVEC)

Myocarditis and pericarditis are rare inflammatory diseases most commonly associated with viral infections (including SARS-CoV-2).

mvec.mcri.edu.au

In your own words please.

I'm dense remember? This what you stipulated. So what's the mechanism that it causes myocarditis? And why aren't we talking about pericarditis now?

 

[Evolved1]

Everyone here should expect a run on the shops soon. When the trucks stop moving goods around the country will grind to a halt real quick.

Why do you see that happening?

 

[Roby]

One last time: who said this?

Don't think you'll get an answer you'll like. It will be "I don't NEED to clarify".

 

[Evolved1]

Vaccines are not new. Just like aircraft are not. This is why the SR-71 is the same as a Spitfire.

This vaccine technology has never been used like this before.

What's the alternative to vaccines? I'm not talking about mandates btw.

 

[TheKanga]

Personally...

I don't want to keep going. I'd be over the moon if it could be stopped right now.

Obsessed with daily case numbers? Nope.

I'm not scared of Covid. I know a lot about it. I'm as frightened as when I walk on a footpath.

I love totalitarian measures and so do you. Or you prefer complete chaos?

Society is segregated? Vaccinate don't segregate. Supporting capitalism is championing segregation at the utmost level. Do you support capitalism? Is that your cult?

Vaccine mandates are good. It allows you to live, be free and not lockdown, what's not to like?

Sounds like you like Covid to last and for people to stay lockdown and depressed.

It can be stopped if people simply turn off the TV and move on.
I do not love totalitarian measures they are primitive and not the country that i grew up in.
I don't support capitalism and i would like for the poor to have an opportunity to get ahead and have some dignity.

I can't support vaccine mandates, your body is all you have and no corporation and woke politician should be able to violate you're bodily autonomy.
Where do you draw the line? Booster mandates? uptake for those won't be as high will the double jabbed soon be locked out of restaurants?
Will you take 5th, 6th or 7th jab?

Most of what MSM reports is misinformation which is the ironic thing.

 

[TheKanga]

In your own words please.

I'm dense remember? This what you stipulated. So what's the mechanism that it causes myocarditis? And why aren't we talking about pericarditis now?

Did i ever claim to be a doctor or a scientist?
Many European countries have halted the vaccine in certain age groups due to heart inflamation concerns.
How do you not know this?

I think you are being obtuse on purpose.

 

[Roby]

It can be stopped if people simply turn off the TV and move on.
I do not love totalitarian measures they are primitive and not the country that i grew up in.
I don't support capitalism and i would like for the poor to have an opportunity to get ahead and have some dignity.

I can't support vaccine mandates, your body is all you have and no corporation and woke politician should be able to violate you're bodily autonomy.
Where do you draw the line? Booster mandates? uptake for those won't be as high will the double jabbed soon be locked out of restaurants?
Will you take 5th, 6th or 7th jab?

Most of what MSM reports is misinformation which is the ironic thing.

The MSM has lit sparks and fuelled some of the anti-vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaxx.

Unfortunately that's what you've clung onto for your own personal and most likely selfish reasons.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Everyone here should expect a run on the shops soon. When the trucks stop moving goods around the country will grind to a halt real quick.

Let me guess, you'll blame unions if this happens?

 

[TheKanga]

The MSM has lit sparks and fuelled some of the anti-vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaxx.

Unfortunately that's what you've clung onto for your own personal and most likely selfish reasons.

Look mate if you are vaccinated
You shouldn't need to worry if Bob down the road is vaccinated or not.

It's not selfish to have bodily autonomy and make you're own medical decisions.
It's actually selfish to bully people to take a jab just because you did it.

It's not a greater good scenario.
Most people took the jab as they were bullied by the government.
Even with 100% vax rate covid would still be spreading so what are we even talking about.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Depends on the harm.

Say, for example, heart conditions.

If somebody gets a vaccine and then develops heart conditions, should they be compensated?

Do you think anti-vaxers should be taxed more to pay for the deaths they cause? That the unvaccinated should pay in full for their own medical treatment?

Yes, so long as fat and sedentary people are taxed more as well, and / or asked to pay their own medical bills.

Is that something you'd support?

 

[Taylor]

Why do you see that happening?

Long story short, there is an emissions additive that needs to be used in trucking or they shut themselves down and we are looking at a big reduction in imports of that because China decided to hold onto it for themselves.

 

[Taylor]

What's the alternative to vaccines? I'm not talking about mandates btw.

If we need to come up with one it could be government paying people who choose not to get one to stay at home, or to stay on holiday on Rotto until the disease has gone through. It will serve the same purpose.

 

[Taylor]

Let me guess, you'll blame unions if this happens?

No, it's actually a supply from China issue that makes a vulnerability on emissions controls into a massive problem.

 

[Taylor]

But Taylor this really YOUR opinion.

Saying we are in uncharted territory compared to previous vaccinations is not the opinion of the medical community.

We can come back and revisit this, in a month, two months, three months, six months, a year, two years and ten years. You won't find anything different, IMO. Stand to be corrected.

I wasn't making a point. I was disputing a position.

 

[Taylor]

One last time: who said this?

You did.

 

[Evolved1]

Long story short, there is an emissions additive that needs to be used in trucking or they shut themselves down and we are looking at a big reduction in imports of that because China decided to hold onto it for themselves.

Thanks for that. Do you have any news links?

 

[Evolved1]

If we need to come up with one it could be government paying people who choose not to get one to stay at home, or to stay on holiday on Rotto until the disease has gone through. It will serve the same purpose.

I'd choose not to be vaccinated too if I could get the same money to stay at home. It's really not a long term solution given the disease isn't simply going to disappear. The WA approach won't work in the eastern states, and you guys will have to open up eventually.

Even at a 90% vaccination rate, protection wanes and boosters are required. That's no issue for me, but seems to be a major point of contention for many who post here.

I can't see any long term solution that doesn't require vaccinations. In saying that, I prefer vaccine mandates to closed borders and lockdowns if those are the only options being tabled.

 

[Malifice]

I honestly don't give a fu** mate

You dont give a **** you're been being fed misinformation, and have been assuming it's true?

Well at least now you know.