Simple question.Like the short sighted Brazilian waxer you are very half arsed.
No. Maybe get back to me on my OP asking what the rationale for the vaccine mandates are.Simple question.
Is CFR the only consideration?
Are you proposing vaccine mandates due to long covid?If you had to consider other things like long term neurological damage you’d have to change your mind.
I’m saying there is more than just deaths to consider.No. Maybe get back to me on my OP asking what the rationale for the vaccine mandates are.
Are you proposing vaccine mandates due to long covid?
The other view to that story could be argued that he is making a personal choice, that may reduce or remove his ability to represent his constituents.The Liberal member for Monash, Russell Broadbent, will not be able travel to his electorate and will be locked out of his ministerial offices as he is not vaccinated.
This is, at least, misinformation.Parliament’s rules for operating virtually require MPs to use secure video links from their offices, not their homes. Effectively this means that Daniel Andrews has passed laws that prevent an elected Federal member participating in Parliament.
I found the the comments from Josh Bornstein interesting. He said it is likely that courts will uphold employer orders compelling employees to be vaccinated. And employers who didn’t ensure their workers were vaccinated could leave themselves open to being sued if, as a result of that failure, people became sick or died.
You make a compelling point in support of the requirements.Does this imply that employers who compel employees to be vaccinated could leave themselves open to being sued if, as a result of the vaccine, people became sick or died?
How?Josh Bornstein seems a bit muddled. The vaccine mandates are State Government measures. But he's talking about employers being liable.
If employers are liable for people getting sick by failing to apply vaccine mandates then they would also be liable for people getting sick by applying vaccine mandates.
I'll take that as a no - you don't think vaccines should be mandatory because of the risk of long Covid.I’m saying there is more than just deaths to consider.
Passing it on to a more vulnerable person. Health system strain, now and into the future.
And so on.
So you want to reduce the average life expectancy of all people just cos you cant be bothered to spend five minutes getting an injection?Under 50 chances of surviving as a healthy person from covid 99.99%
assuming this is true it seems a shame to lose liberty for mandatory vax.
More so if the above FDA fact is correct.
I can see why the french are not impressed
I guess personally for me the difference between covid vaccine and the others you mention are theseSo the anti mandatory vaxxers on here … are you prepared to open up with no vaccines? Also prepared to have no one take polio, whooping cough, tb, smallpox etc etc? I mean what if everyone thought the same way ..”can’t force me to vax”? Or are you happy to say no and have you and family protected from everyone getting vaxxed?
The response there is whether you think things like drink driving laws are infringing on personal responsibility.End of the day I'm a personal choice and personal responsibility kinda guy I guess ie. you do you, get the vaccine if you'd like that additional protection, and the majority will. But it shouldn't be required to participate in day to day society.
Iirc Australian chief health officers have said you are wearing masks essentially forever so take it up with them.So you want to reduce the average life expectancy of all people just cos you cant be bothered to spend five minutes getting an injection?
the time it takes to get a drivers license is a hell of a lot longer yet they are mandated to drive. is it an unacceptable loss of liberty when society forces you to get a license before you can drive?
i think its a loss of liberty when i have to wear masks and i cant travel without threat of getting a virus thats quite dangerous to older people and causes severe long term illness in some younger people. But the loss of liberty isnt imposed by the government. Its imposed by the unvaccinated.
But needing a covid vax to attend a pub, restaurant, sporting event or concert? Or go to a supermarket (happening in France)?. Nah, step too far imo.
The more unvaccinated people the more virus that is around. So pubs, restaurants become more dangerous especially to the more vulnerable. Kids have got quite sick from it overseas and of course long covid can impact as wellBut it shouldn't be required to participate in day to day society.
Seriously? How many deaths do you think that’ll create? Judging by other countries tens of thousands. Businesses won’t be operating in that environment anyway.As to your specific question of would I be happy to open up with no vaccine? Tough one, probably no last year, probably yes this year.
Yeah I do acknowledge that argument, although I'd think drink driving presents a far greater risk to your fellow man than not having a vaccine (assuming everyone who wants it can actually get it, as I said earlier).The response there is whether you think things like drink driving laws are infringing on personal responsibility.
The things we do affect other people.
Yep, but how much more? 10%? 20%? Is that worth such regulation on movement and attendance at public venues? Its a balancing act imo. Like I said, if the vaccine was a scientific miracle that gave you a 80 or 90% less chance of passing it on, then yeah mandates become far more palatable.The more unvaccinated people the more virus that is around. So pubs, restaurants become more dangerous especially to the more vulnerable. Kids have got quite sick from it overseas and of course long covid can impact as well
Yep, all but guaranteed 5 figures, hopefully on the lower end. Its a pandemic. Businesses would have to make their own decision about whether to open in that environment, but I doubt they universally wouldn't be. Pretty sure a lot of the ones who have already gone to the wall this year would have been open given the option, for example.Seriously? How many deaths do you think that’ll create? Judging by other countries tens of thousands. Businesses won’t be operating in that environment anyway.
Probably, I'm honestly not in the best mental space and haven't been for awhile now. Personally know a few families who are doing even worse, its probably influencing my thoughts somewhat.Your responses seem a little insular and impact on you rather than on others .