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kirky said:
Is it true that after the last state election in 2006, the ALP tried to have HTV cards which they produced in this election banned however it was defeated in the upper house by both the Liberal Party and Family First?

If that is the case, oh the irony and probably explains the lack of comment on this subject by those in the Liberal Party.
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I think that was the election posters, not the HTV cards.
 

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jo172 said:
What's astounding about that story is that some pretty left peole such as Dean Jaensch were well and truly getting stuck into the ALP yet the partisan fanboys here choose to deflect or defend.
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I'm assuming this is a reference to me (amongst others). I've been almost completely silent on the how-to-vote card controversy.

FWIW, I think it was a low down trick which was quite possibly illegal. On this one, you have my full support.
 
Vader said:
I'm assuming this is a reference to me (amongst others). I've been almost completely silent on the how-to-vote card controversy.
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Vader said:
FWIW, I think it was a low down trick which was quite possibly illegal. On this one, you have my full support.
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I think the Libs and FF will have a hard time getting around 107(5) of the Electoral Act.
 
jo172 said:
What's astounding about that story is that some pretty left people such as Dean Jaensch were well and truly getting stuck into the ALP yet the partisan fanboys here choose to deflect or defend.
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geez if you think that Dean Jaensch is pretty left, then you must be pretty far right(wing).

I've always had him as pretty right actually.

(Maybe i'm just extreme left :D)
 
King Elvis said:
If they were to hold by-elections in the seats tainted by these HTV cards, how many people do you think would change their votes because they weren't happy with the tactics used?
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I would imagine a few, but not a great amount.

A more interesting question would be how many people would potentially change their votes realising their relatively disproportionate impact to the 20th in deciding the government.

Purely academic though.

Love Rann's new policy of amending the electoral act due to the morality of these acts, bet you he won't call by-elections;)
 
jo172 said:
I was just pointing out their hypocrisy.

Just because they're hypocrites doesn't make them wrong.

Having said that as a safe bet TT is usually wrong.

What's astounding about that story is that some pretty left peole such as Dean Jaensch were well and truly getting stuck into the ALP yet the partisan fanboys here choose to deflect or defend.
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As a partisan fanboy, i have no influence at all on anyone, unlike the Liberal partisan fanboys dominating the tv, radio, print media, and even the internet (AdelaideNow) .....
 
jo172 said:
Love Rann's new policy of amending the electoral act due to the morality of these acts, bet you he won't call by-elections;)
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Why should he? The result in any of those 4 seats was unaffected by the immorality of those acts.
 

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johnnypanther said:
Why should he? The result in any of those 4 seats was unaffected by the immorality of those acts.
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Apparently the use of these HTV cards and the method in which they were distributed was offered to a number of candidates; most declined, some didn't.

If the guy I'd voted for had chosen to do this, I'd be drawing a massive penis on the ballot next time.
 
Jaensch is a fairly conservative, bit of originalist constitutionalism and Menzian liberalism. Hard to read his position on partisan politics a lot of the time. Not surprised he dislikes the current ALP.
 
King Elvis said:
If they were to hold by-elections in the seats tainted by these HTV cards, how many people do you think would change their votes because they weren't happy with the tactics used?
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considering the simplicity of the avereage voter, I reckon a fair few, Labor have proved negativity works so you would think it would work against them as well.
 
I see that Chloe Fox now leads by about 140 votes in Bright. If she wins by 100 votes or so they won't recount that.
 
smoovy said:
I see that Chloe Fox now leads by about 140 votes in Bright. If she wins by 100 votes or so they won't recount that.
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I think they normally do a re-count if the margin is less than 0.5% or something. How many voters in the electorate? 100 isn't THAT many.
 

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brucetiki said:
Good article on AdelaideNow about how the Libs stuffed up their campaign

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...tralias-liberals/story-fn2sdwup-1225846171382
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You really buy that?

I would wager those two things had zero effect on the election result.

Where it was won/lost was putting tired unpopular politicians such as Draper Scalzi against some of the ALP's better local members in Piccolo Fox Portolesi and Bignell and these all happened in crucial marginals.

There's a shitload of research out there saying most people know who they're going to vote for the second the election is called a disturbing proportion make up their mind in the booth and the amount who actually make their decision as a result of the campaign barring catastrophic error from someone is ultimately negligible.

Looking through this thread is a good example. You've got about 90% of posters who had their minds made up the whole time. WHilst this isn't representative of the whole population it's a good illustration of how ultimately futile alot of campaigning is!
 
jo172 said:
You really buy that?

I would wager those two things had zero effect on the election result.

Where it was won/lost was putting tired unpopular politicians such as Draper Scalzi against some of the ALP's better local members in Piccolo Fox Portolesi and Bignell and these all happened in crucial marginals.
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I don't totally buy it (it is an AdelaideNow article after all :D). The final week of Chapman initially not ruling out a challenge, followed by the 'spin' admission on the day before were bad blows. This might have caused enough voters in, say, Bright to change their vote to Labor - enough to get Fox over the line...maybe with the tight margin.

However, I agree with you that the fatal blows to the Liberals campaign were Draper and Scalzi. Draper is well disliked in her electorate (I was amazed she managed to hold on to Makin in 2004) while Scalzi appears to be a bitter candidate who couldn't accept his electorate didn't want him (his behaviour after the election certainly indicates that).
 
Blue Red and Gold said:
how did he act after the campaign? I havent heard anything about him.
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During the ABC's election night coverage, they crossed to him, and he started ranting about the how to vote card scandal and conspiracy theories against him - the ABC very promptly cut the interview short.
 
Notice there's a protest on the steps of parliament about the how to vote scandal. Of the 20 or so people there - most were Winderlich and Rod Steinert (Democrats candidate for Ramsay) supporters. The irony is both did dismally at the polls, and Labor didn't even use those cards in Ramsay!
 

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