Roast Mark Robinson

[Obese Arachnid]

Just reading Robbo this morning;

"Collingwood supporters are angry because of an 80-point defeat by Sydney, because their club was singled out, and because they think the integrity argument of naming "up to 11 players" and not the exact figure is more important than the fact one-quarter of Collingwood players had recorded positive hair tests to illicit drugs."

Robbo, you ******* of kindergarten-level mathematic ability; 11 would be one-quarter, 4 would be one-eleventh. You can't say the number is unimportant semantics because the proportion of the list remains the same. It doesn't.

Good old Robbo telling us what we think, seems to be a bit of that going on around here.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

His conduct with being chief polyp searcher of J Hird, was sickening.

 

[Smoky]

Just reading Robbo this morning;

"Collingwood supporters are angry because of an 80-point defeat by Sydney, because their club was singled out, and because they think the integrity argument of naming "up to 11 players" and not the exact figure is more important than the fact one-quarter of Collingwood players had recorded positive hair tests to illicit drugs."

Robbo, you ******* of kindergarten-level mathematic ability; 11 would be one-quarter, 4 would be one-eleventh. You can't say the number is unimportant semantics because the proportion of the list remains the same. It doesn't.

Robbo could have just said up to 44 players tested positive.

Lazy and desperate for relevance Robbo.

 

[David Spears]

Stop blaming Robinson! The man is an idiot but he is doing his job here. He has a very good and watertight source, the truth of his article is very correct. Think laterally, the Herald Sun have a team of 5 in house lawyers, they also have a QC that double checks their big stories. Do you think those lawyers are going to OK such an article if it puts the paper at threat in terms of a potential law suit? Based on Collingwood not raising an injunction or litigation towards the paper over the article is a clear indication that Robinson is on the money here and despite the public outcrys from Buckley and McGuire, they would know Robinson is correct.

 

[PicaBoo]

Little bit of info from the club if anyone cares.

Club were shot from the drug scandal as much as we say we weren't, had a shit week on the track and it's continued this week.

Thanks for that. I hope you don't mean we are still shit on the track???

 

[BEEG]

Thanks for that. I hope you don't mean we are still shit on the track???

Yep had a shit week on the track again, he said he thinks we get beat again this week and is usually pretty positive.

Pretty shattered feel like our season is over before it started.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Do you really believe it's only 4?

If you read the article he nominates that 80-100 people within the industry would have known the numbers. But in reality it would be some at the the specific club and some at the AFL. If this leak came from the AFL, because I doubt very much it came from Collingwood, then I'd say it leaked from very high up, very very high up. And therefore it's probably a very very good source. Which required very little need to verify.

Various sources have said we are in the 1-11 category, i.e. between 1-25% of the list. Also, reportedly, 3 was the lowest number of positives recorded. Therefore our range is effectively 4-11. I'm not speculating where we stand in that range, only that Robbo is a dunce.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Stop blaming Robinson! The man is an idiot but he is doing his job here. He has a very good and watertight source, the truth of his article is very correct. Think laterally, the Herald Sun have a team of 5 in house lawyers, they also have a QC that double checks their big stories. Do you think those lawyers are going to OK such an article if it puts the paper at threat in terms of a potential law suit? Based on Collingwood not raising an injunction or litigation towards the paper over the article is a clear indication that Robinson is on the money here and despite the public outcrys from Buckley and McGuire, they would know Robinson is correct.

Murdoch needs something polished, off you go now.

 

[tassiemaniac]

Gillon has been nothing but a poor CEO!
I actually think he is afraid of confrontation. When it is time for the AFL leader to make a statement, he disappears. He admitted he was wrong during the Goodes saga, and now his silence is causing more issues.

Given the AFL is a multi billion $ revenue generating organisation, it is a shame they have had CEOs (the past 2) who really are not qualified to run it. With salaries of $1m+ pa, it actually puts them amongst some of the base salaries earned by some leading Australian companies. Leadership has gone downhill since Ross Oakley retired.

It's time the AFL conducted a more robust, professional review of who leads it.

I also wonder whether the other issue is Mike Fitzpatrick. He seems to pull all the strings and Gillon is nothing but a puppet.

Like a number of posters on here, I'm really interested in who leaked this information and why, what the AFL knows and doesn't know about this saga that blew up 48 hours before our first game of the season. I'd like to see a media statement from the AFL CEO, that timelines with sufficient facts, when the hair testing took place, the de-identified findings of the report (x players tested across AFL, with y% found to have traces of illicit drugs in their system) and, when and who within and outside the AFL were privy to the information. From there, the AFL and AFLPA can then have a conversation with the clubs about what role the clubs should have with the players during their off-season. As Buckley said on 360, the clubs are not allowed anywhere near the players during their off season so its a bit hard for the clubs to be held accountable for their behavior when the clubs have no ability to do anything about it.

Once the information was collated, we know that the AFL contacted the clubs through their CEO's with a report about this voluntary, confidential program. As far as I'm aware, no club has made a formal statement about the contents of the report. The lack of information coming out of the AFL is a sign to me of an immature organization too frightened to say anything and/or they know exactly where the leak/s came from and their is a bigger game being played here within the inner sanctum of the AFL's powerbrokers.

On another note, the AFL directly funding the AFLPA should stop. Simple fix would be for the association's revenue to come directly from the grounds and/or a slice of the tv deal.

 

[TreloartoMoore]

Stop blaming Robinson! The man is an idiot but he is doing his job here. He has a very good and watertight source, the truth of his article is very correct. Think laterally, the Herald Sun have a team of 5 in house lawyers, they also have a QC that double checks their big stories. Do you think those lawyers are going to OK such an article if it puts the paper at threat in terms of a potential law suit? Based on Collingwood not raising an injunction or litigation towards the paper over the article is a clear indication that Robinson is on the money here and despite the public outcrys from Buckley and McGuire, they would know Robinson is correct.

QCs at the HS checking articles? Evidence for that?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Stop blaming Robinson! The man is an idiot but he is doing his job here. He has a very good and watertight source, the truth of his article is very correct. Think laterally, the Herald Sun have a team of 5 in house lawyers, they also have a QC that double checks their big stories. Do you think those lawyers are going to OK such an article if it puts the paper at threat in terms of a potential law suit? Based on Collingwood not raising an injunction or litigation towards the paper over the article is a clear indication that Robinson is on the money here and despite the public outcrys from Buckley and McGuire, they would know Robinson is correct.

So your definition of a good story/article is one that does not leave the publication open to litigation? If I wrote a story on how many turds you drop each day, it might be true but it's not in the public interest and it's a gross invasion of privacy.

 

[PicaBoo]

Yep had a shit week on the track again, he said he thinks we get beat again this week and is usually pretty positive.

Same spineless bunch to look forward to. They better not serve last weeks crap in an absolutely packed cauldron called MCG.

 

[FuManchu]

Various sources have said we are in the 1-11 category, i.e. between 1-25% of the list. Also, reportedly, 3 was the lowest number of positives recorded. Therefore our range is effectively 4-11. I'm not speculating where we stand in that range, only that Robbo is a dunce.

Given McGuire's propensity to mitigate damage at the drop of a hat, I think the fact that he hasn't talked down that number officially says something about the number cited. If it's 9-11, then his story has a lot of validity. If it's 3,4 or 5.... then he's overstated the situation. Which in itself is strange because 5 years ago, if 3 players were found to have tested positive at any club, the uproar would be massive. Such was the inadequacy of the testing, that it lead to a false sense of security.

 

[FuManchu]

So your definition of a good story/article is one that does not leave the publication open to litigation? If I wrote a story on how many turds you drop each day, it might be true but it's not in the public interest and it's a gross invasion of privacy.

Did you complain this loud when the media was all over the Essendon story? After all, nothing was proven for 2 or more years. And it took a lot of circumstantial evidence to reach the last verdict. Was that a gross invasion of privacy given we knew 34 possibly but not definitely had transgressed?

 

[David Spears]

So your definition of a good story/article is one that does not leave the publication open to litigation? If I wrote a story on how many turds you drop each day, it might be true but it's not in the public interest and it's a gross invasion of privacy.

I didn't say it was a good story or article but the information within it is water tight and on the money. If it wasn't, Collingwood would be suing for slander or defamation because of the damage it is doing to the club's brand. My personal opinion on illicit drugs is its the players business and it doesn't interest me if they do it. But in this instance, no journalist ranging from Mark Robinson to Greg Baum to Tim Lane would have gone with the story based on the leak he got. Eddie McGuire knows the information is bang on too, his public comments are to mitigate the brand damage and is a PR tactic. Ditto for Paul Marsh as he has to mitigate the fallout from players regarding the confidential aspect of the results. It's all spin and your supporters are falling for it.

 

[frizzle]

I didn't say it was a good story or article but the information within it is water tight and on the money. If it wasn't, Collingwood would be suing for slander or defamation because of the damage it is doing to the club's brand. My personal opinion on illicit drugs is its the players business and it doesn't interest me if they do it. But in this instance, no journalist ranging from Mark Robinson to Greg Baum to Tim Lane would have gone with the story based on the leak he got. Eddie McGuire knows the information is bang on too, his public comments are to mitigate the brand damage and is a PR tactic. Ditto for Paul Marsh as he has to mitigate the fallout from players regarding the confidential aspect of the results. It's all spin and your supporters are falling for it.

Spin? You are probably intentionally forgetting that we were the only team that had their name put up in lights on this. Every single team reportedly had positive hair tests, but we were the ones who got put on the front pages of near every newspaper. Even though we didn't have the most positive tests.
How would you have felt if it was your boys bearing the brunt for a problem that exists at every club? You can't tell me Robbo could only get our results but nobody elses? He took the opportunity to throw us under the bus to sell papers. No other team was publicly called out for it. just us. How can you not see that that might piss a few supporters off?

 

[NT.Thunder]

We are Collingwood

 

[Maggie5]

Did you complain this loud when the media was all over the Essendon story? After all, nothing was proven for 2 or more years. And it took a lot of circumstantial evidence to reach the last verdict. Was that a gross invasion of privacy given we knew 34 possibly but not definitely had transgressed?

This story involves majority of clubs, the Essendon story involved one club. No comparison, also the interview with Jobe Watson where he admitted to taking one of the banned drugs added a little bit more than speculation.

 

[DinoSoar]

Same spineless bunch to look forward to. They better not serve last weeks crap in an absolutely packed cauldron called MCG.

Spot on - it is understable that this brouhaha may have had an impact last Saturday night but if they haven't got their shit together for this week, then questions will need to be asked. Some of them need to grow a set and accept the consequences of their actions - stay off the blow & the pingers FFS!!!

 

[TheSierBear]

We are Collingwood

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Yep,

Have a feeling this will galvanize the group by Friday.
Think, were you flat on Saturday Night, I was. I knew what impact this would have on the players, by Friday Night they should be in much better shape.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Given McGuire's propensity to mitigate damage at the drop of a hat, I think the fact that he hasn't talked down that number officially says something about the number cited. If it's 9-11, then his story has a lot of validity.

If it's 9, we're already down to one-fifth of the list instead of one-quarter. So you see how Robbo's "logic" is flawed.

Did you complain this loud when the media was all over the Essendon story? After all, nothing was proven for 2 or more years. And it took a lot of circumstantial evidence to reach the last verdict. Was that a gross invasion of privacy given we knew 34 possibly but not definitely had transgressed?

Uh, no dude I barrack for Collingwood. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Essendon can fight their own bloody battles.

 

[Maggie5]

I didn't say it was a good story or article but the information within it is water tight and on the money. If it wasn't, Collingwood would be suing for slander or defamation because of the damage it is doing to the club's brand. My personal opinion on illicit drugs is its the players business and it doesn't interest me if they do it. But in this instance, no journalist ranging from Mark Robinson to Greg Baum to Tim Lane would have gone with the story based on the leak he got. Eddie McGuire knows the information is bang on too, his public comments are to mitigate the brand damage and is a PR tactic. Ditto for Paul Marsh as he has to mitigate the fallout from players regarding the confidential aspect of the results. It's all spin and your supporters are falling for it.

How can you say watertight when the numbers are still being questioned?
No-one on here is falling for the spin, we all accept that some players indulge, not sure where you get that from. The only other discussion on here is whose business it is if they do it off season.
I very much doubt that Tim Lane bor Greg Baum would have written the article in that manner, they are real journalist not ambulance chasers.

 

[Magpie Girl]

Stop blaming Robinson! The man is an idiot but he is doing his job here. He has a very good and watertight source, the truth of his article is very correct. Think laterally, the Herald Sun have a team of 5 in house lawyers, they also have a QC that double checks their big stories. Do you think those lawyers are going to OK such an article if it puts the paper at threat in terms of a potential law suit? Based on Collingwood not raising an injunction or litigation towards the paper over the article is a clear indication that Robinson is on the money here and despite the public outcrys from Buckley and McGuire, they would know Robinson is correct.

You're missing the point!
It's not in dispute that players tested positive.
The problem is that Collinwood was the ONLY club named, when every club had players testing positive
And more importantly it was a breach of confidence guaranteed to the players

That's what Eddie and every supporter is mad about!

 

[PieBeast]

So basically what I said was right, you'd be ok with the illicit drugs if our team was at the top of the ladder. Bravo. Yet you get all angry with your CAPS button about the drugs like it's some moral issue to you saying .
You've completely proved my point troll, you and your broken-arsed mates can't help but turn anything into a "but, but Malthouse" thread. This thread is about Mark Robinson so people can discuss how they feel about him singling out our club and breaching confidentiality. I'm sure you've already frequented the numerous threads on Buckley's coaching, our players and the good ol' Malthouse should never have been "sacked" threads.
Don't start clogging up other issues with your pitiful, 5 years too late agenda with some bullshit moral high-ground about drugs when you've literally said you don't give a shit about them.

Yep, clearly aren't capable of understanding the point I'm trying to make.
But seeing I'm a nice fellow after all I'll break it down for you.

I don't give a shit about drugs if players are performing.

What I do give a shit about is one of the best lists we've ever had dismantled in the name of cultural revolution only to end up with much of the same as far as illicit drugs go and probably even dumber given the fact the penny didn't even drop when we've lost Keeffe and JT for 2 years.

The one and only reason I've repeated the line of us having the third highest amount of positive tests out of 14 clubs tested is hoping people on here can see that Robbo slightly exaggerating the figure to create a headline and publishing sensitive info aren't Collingwood's biggest issues here.

I admit it was all in vain, people on here will use any distraction to momentarily forget what shithole we are in right now, 33 pages and counting of this and almost 20 pages of a related thread is a testament to this.

And a minor correction, I wanted MM gone since 2008 and was in favour of Bucks taking over but not afraid to admit to being wrong as this has been nothing but disaster to date. And anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.

ps. hopefully you didn't choke on your own froth typing that, this board needs an attack dog to keep those who dare to speak up against the Club in line

 

[PieNSauce]

Yep, clearly aren't capable of understanding the point I'm trying to make.
But seeing I'm a nice fellow after all I'll break it down for you.

I don't give a shit about drugs if players are performing.

What I do give a shit about is one of the best lists we've ever had dismantled in the name of cultural revolution only to end up with much of the same as far as illicit drugs go and probably even dumber given the fact the penny didn't even drop when we've lost Keeffe and JT for 2 years.

The one and only reason I've repeated the line of us having the third highest amount of positive tests out of 14 clubs tested is hoping people on here can see that Robbo slightly exaggerating the figure to create a headline and publishing sensitive info aren't Collingwood's biggest issues here.

I admit it was all in vain, people on here will use any distraction to momentarily forget what shithole we are in right now, 33 pages and counting of this and almost 20 pages of a related thread is a testament to this.

And a minor correction, I wanted MM gone since 2008 and was in favour of Bucks taking over but not afraid to admit to being wrong as this has been nothing but disaster to date. And anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.

ps. hopefully you didn't choke on your own froth typing that, this board needs an attack dog to keep those who dare to speak up against the Club in line

It's a pretty long bow to draw to suggest that because some people are concerned about issues of journalistic standards that they are therefore not concerned about player behaviour. I think it's pretty clear that there are plenty here who compartmentalise these issues. As far as what has happened since Bucks took over goes, you're entitled to your opinion but that is what it is and nothing more. No, I am not lying to myself but thanks for warning me against it.