Roast Mark Robinson

[JB1975]

ps. hopefully you didn't choke on your own froth typing that, this board needs an attack dog to keep those who dare to speak up against the Club in line

Nice to see you're summoning some Easter spirit, sacrificing yourself so bravely like a good martyr. Ta.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Based on Collingwood not raising an injunction or litigation towards the paper over the article is a clear indication that Robinson is on the money here and despite the public outcrys from Buckley and McGuire, they would know Robinson is correct.

Like so many others you not only miss the point you fail to understand the process
Collingwood was named, but Collingwood can do nothing about the positive tests because as a club they are excluded from the process.

Robinson's article should have replaced the word Collingwood with the words Australian Football League.
But his paper knows full well using the word Collingwood will attract more attention, which diminishes the intent and integrity of the story in favour of rank tabloidism

 

[David Spears]

How can you say watertight when the numbers are still being questioned?
No-one on here is falling for the spin, we all accept that some players indulge, not sure where you get that from. The only other discussion on here is whose business it is if they do it off season.
I very much doubt that Tim Lane bor Greg Baum would have written the article in that manner, they are real journalist not ambulance chasers.

Who are the results being questioned by? Paul Marsh hasn't said much on the issue relative to the outrage that should be coming for a confidential leak and that is telling, Eddie McGuire's response has been vague too regarding the numbers. As FuManchu says Eddie's response is all about brand mitigation. It's politics 101, blame Mark Robinson and every Collingwood supporter attacks him, at the same time supporters and members questioning why there is such drug usage after Keefe and Thomas were suspended for PED use after taking cocaine is virtually forgotten.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Who are the results being questioned by? Paul Marsh hasn't said much on the issue relative to the outrage that should be coming for a confidential leak and that is telling, Eddie McGuire's response has been vague too regarding the numbers. As FuManchu says Eddie's response is all about brand mitigation. It's politics 101, blame Mark Robinson and every Collingwood supporter attacks him, at the same time supporters and members questioning why there is such drug usage after Keefe and Thomas were suspended for PED use after taking cocaine is virtually forgotten.

Yeah, nah you still don't get it

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I didn't say it was a good story or article but the information within it is water tight and on the money. If it wasn't, Collingwood would be suing for slander or defamation because of the damage it is doing to the club's brand.

And how would they prove the illegitimacy of Robbo's claim without breaching confidentiality? Even Robbo on 360 said that he can say whatever he likes and no-one can disprove him.

 

[TradeDraft]

Don't blame Robinson. He is the messenger. It would have been negligent of Robinson not to write the article after the leak he got.

Bet you say Differently IF he wrote about your Club

 

[PieBeast]

It's a pretty long bow to draw to suggest that because some people are concerned about issues of journalistic standards that they are therefore not concerned about player behaviour. I think it's pretty clear that there are plenty here who compartmentalise these issues. As far as what has happened since Bucks took over goes, you're entitled to your opinion but that is what it is and nothing more. No, I am not lying to myself but thanks for warning me against it.

Lulz, until the last few days I wasn't aware so many of us feel so strong about journalistic ethics, never too late to learn I guess

 

[TradeDraft]

Just reading Robbo this morning;

"Collingwood supporters are angry because of an 80-point defeat by Sydney, because their club was singled out, and because they think the integrity argument of naming "up to 11 players" and not the exact figure is more important than the fact one-quarter of Collingwood players had recorded positive hair tests to illicit drugs."

Robbo, you ******* of kindergarten-level mathematic ability; 11 would be one-quarter, 4 would be one-eleventh. You can't say the number is unimportant semantics because the proportion of the list remains the same. It doesn't.

Can someone just Fire this campaigner but shows the Biased Hatred the Media has of Collingwood

 

[PieBeast]

Nice to see you're summoning some Easter spirit, sacrificing yourself so bravely like a good martyr. Ta.

Mate you're better than snapping at my heels each time I post, don't embarrass yourself like some others have before you.

 

[Smoky]

Who are the results being questioned by? Paul Marsh hasn't said much on the issue relative to the outrage that should be coming for a confidential leak and that is telling, Eddie McGuire's response has been vague too regarding the numbers. As FuManchu says Eddie's response is all about brand mitigation. It's politics 101, blame Mark Robinson and every Collingwood supporter attacks him, at the same time supporters and members questioning why there is such drug usage after Keefe and Thomas were suspended for PED use after taking cocaine is virtually forgotten.

So you say Robbo's number are correct? But everyone else says they're wrong and Robbo didn't dispute that when hammered by Bucks and Scott on 360. Quite simply put he had no idea what the number was. Now he claims it was definitely 1/4 of the list. He didnt dispute his numbers were wrong at 11... which means it has to be 10. Cause 9 would be 1/5th.

Now if he's so sure it was 1/4 now... but 2 days ago couldn't dispute his facts were wrong at 11... how does he know it was 10??? No one can dispute him with the facts? Cause those that have the facts have to have the confidence of the players and the AFL in keeping the results confidential.

I don't dispute your version of events, but don't have a reliable source in relation to the story. A source would change that.

Everyone disputes Robbo's figures were wrong including the AFLPA... His source is a troll and not reliable or he made the whole thing up. And the AFL should be taking some action to force the Herald Sun to tell them who leaked it... and those people barred from the AFL.

 

[Maggie5]

Who are the results being questioned by? Paul Marsh hasn't said much on the issue relative to the outrage that should be coming for a confidential leak and that is telling, Eddie McGuire's response has been vague too regarding the numbers. As FuManchu says Eddie's response is all about brand mitigation. It's politics 101, blame Mark Robinson and every Collingwood supporter attacks him, at the same time supporters and members questioning why there is such drug usage after Keefe and Thomas were suspended for PED use after taking cocaine is virtually forgotten.

You seem to be on another issue to what I am saying.
You keep harping about Eddie and his response where my main issue is the standard of journalism.

You mentioned two other journalists and I stated that I doubted that they would write an article and concentrate the story on one person/club where in fact it is a club wide problem that is reflecting society.

Have a re-read of his original article and you tell me which was the newsworthy point he was making, drugs or Collingwood.

He could have been responsible and stated that despite players agreeing to the testing on the understanding of confidentiality that it had come to his attention based on leaked information a number of clubs (or majority of clubs) have players that have tested positive and then continued with the story.
This is responsible journalism that would have focused the story on drug taking and not as it is now on Collingwood.

If you can't understand this then there is no point in discussing further.

 

[JB1975]

Mate you're better than snapping at my heels each time I post, don't embarrass yourself like some others have before you.

You're right, there is something demeaning about trawling through the garbage you post. I should raise my standards.

 

[TradeDraft]

Witts will miss. Guess we get upgrade in the Ruck

 

[CFC2010]

You're right, there is something demeaning about trawling through the garbage you post. I should raise my standards.

You know what they say JB......"One man's trash is another man's treasure"

Play fair you two.....leave the for the Tigers!

 

[Kirby]

deleted - misread post

 

[PieBeast]

You seem to be on another issue to what I am saying.
You keep harping about Eddie and his response where my main issue is the standard of journalism.

You mentioned two other journalists and I stated that I doubted that they would write an article and concentrate the story on one person/club where in fact it is a club wide problem that is reflecting society.

Have a re-read of his original article and you tell me which was the newsworthy point he was making, drugs or Collingwood.

He could have been responsible and stated that despite players agreeing to the testing on the understanding of confidentiality that it had come to his attention based on leaked information a number of clubs (or majority of clubs) have players that have tested positive and then continued with the story.
This is responsible journalism that would have focused the story on drug taking and not as it is now on Collingwood.

If you can't understand this then there is no point in discussing further.

You're spot on in what you're saying, no one can argue our name has been used to sell the papers and confidentiality has been breached.

But what DS saying is bang on the money too, only difference being his take is far more pertinent to us, Collingwood.

It's not like it's a secret most journos love creating headlines and would resort to selling their mother if it helped achieve publicity, far bigger concern here should be our current predicament, especially given what we went through of late.

 

[Pie eyed]

Bucks can appear on 360 anytime. It should be an AFLPA issue more then anything. Slobbo is looking for support from players but he is not getting much.

Pall bearers are the only support the campaigner deserves

 

[FuManchu]

Bet you say Differently IF he wrote about your Club

Which does nothing but make Collingwood supporters who complain about being singled out look stupid if that's their only grievance. If this is the worst thing that Collingwood ever have to endure in regards to drug publicity, then we have done well for ourselves. But unfortunately we have had 2 players who took illicit substances and tested positive for PEDs. That's way worse than this story.

And when you put this story in context to that happening 12 months ago, it makes this story even more valid. Understand this: the idiots who tested positive haven't learnt anything from 12 months ago. And that's another bloody story in itself!!!

 

[Bad Horse]

Lulz, until the last few days I wasn't aware so many of us feel so strong about journalistic ethics, never too late to learn I guess

This reminds me of Gamergate.

 

[Maggie5]

Understand this: the idiots who tested positive haven't learnt anything from 12 months ago. And that's another bloody story in itself!!!

Actually that and the fact that some people in our own and other clubs have learned a thing is the only story.

 

[regpies]

Like so many others you not only miss the point you fail to understand the process
Collingwood was named, but Collingwood can do nothing about the positive tests because as a club they are excluded from the process.

Robinson's article should have replaced the word Collingwood with the words Australian Football League.
But his paper knows full well using the word Collingwood will attract more attention, which diminishes the intent and integrity of the story in favour of rank tabloidism

Except that the story is true, the only questionable part of the story is whether 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11 Collingwood players tested positive.

We haven't denied it, AFL hasn't. The club is annoyed about being singled out when 2 clubs are worse. Blame Robbo all you want but if someone didn't leak the info and of those 11 or 7 players didn't take drugs then we wouldn't be in this situation.

Blaming Robbo is just shooting the messenger, blame the players

 

[frizzle]

Which does nothing but make Collingwood supporters who complain about being singled out look stupid if that's their only grievance. If this is the worst thing that Collingwood ever have to endure in regards to drug publicity, then we have done well for ourselves. But unfortunately we have had 2 players who took illicit substances and tested positive for PEDs. That's way worse than this story.

And when you put this story in context to that happening 12 months ago, it makes this story even more valid. Understand this: the idiots who tested positive haven't learnt anything from 12 months ago. And that's another bloody story in itself!!!

It is my only grievance. If Robbo had named every club or no club at all this wouldn't have upset so many people. The fact that he pulled the allegedly 3rd highest positive test club & plastered it over his newspaper in order to sell more copies is disgraceful. But he apparently doesn't know any details of any other club. Yeah right. He is full of sh!t.

 

[FuManchu]

It is my only grievance. If Robbo had named every club or no club at all this wouldn't have upset so many people. The fact that he pulled the allegedly 3rd highest positive test club & plastered it over his newspaper in order to sell more copies is disgraceful. But he apparently doesn't know any details of any other club. Yeah right. He is full of sh!t.

He was leaked the club's figures and only the club's figures. Why wouldn't he run with that?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Except that the story is true, the only questionable part of the story is whether 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11 Collingwood players tested positive.

We haven't denied it, AFL hasn't. The club is annoyed about being singled out when 2 clubs are worse. Blame Robbo all you want but if someone didn't leak the info and of those 11 or 7 players didn't take drugs then we wouldn't be in this situation.

Blaming Robbo is just shooting the messenger, blame the players

What do you mean "except the story is true"?
I haven't in any of my posts suggested otherwise

 

[frizzle]

He was leaked the club's figures and only the club's figures. Why wouldn't he run with that?

If you don't understand that leaking one clubs figures is unfair when every single club had positive tests, then I'm not sure what the point of this discussion is.
You don't think perhaps he also has an agenda here? Bucks & Chris Scott certainly felt he did & told him so. The headline could have even been "Every AFL club returns positive hair tests for illicit drugs. But that wouldn't sell as many papers as Collingwood test positive. Daily telegraph then thought they would say 30 positive tests. Apparently you can make up your own numbers & print them. Stick up for the POS all you like, I don't think you will have many mates on this.